[KR Test] Advance Magic Skills and Others

• Xemnas wrote on 2013-04-09 23:25
  And I still have 0 regrets in investing in magic except for r9 thunder, magic mastery, and mana shield/
• truefire wrote on 2013-04-09 23:29
  What I'm gathering from this thread is that the people most excited for the changes to magic are people who spent most of the past two years bashing it and avoiding it like the plague, while actual mages are pretty miffed. Sounds like a successful revamp to me.
• Zeo wrote on 2013-04-09 23:33

  Quote from Johny;1065765:

  /Hopes
  
  That's it, DevCat lost it. What's the point of changing the int formula for something worse, giving us a butchered chain-cast skill, if it's even that, making magic far less appealing than it is with more ap intensive skill, a useless skill, and a boss- only skill?
  
  Might as well free up Drive space by getting rid of the Magic talent all together, since it's got the most skills, the most complex formulas, the least population, and DevCat just doesn't get it right!!!....What's the point in all of this? This is absolutely ridiculous. 10 f*cking years tinkering with magic, only to make it a miserably useless talent.

  
  
  Exactly what I've been trying to say in this thread pretty much the whole time. The new skills for Magic skills is nice, yeah but I do not want to deal lower damage because well... it just bring down the usefulness for the Mages while having new skills bring up the usefulness only slightly so it actually ended up being worse.
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-04-09 23:45
  I suspected from the moment we found out about instant cast that it was only for the NEXT skill (HA! Just realized I really was right <3). I don't mind it. I really don't. My only problem is making this skill set even more AP heavy. :-/
  
  The revamp to alch made it faster, harder hitting, and gave it a revamp to it's chain cylinder that makes it REALLY FUCKING GREAT! lol There's NO new AP costs (as far as I know) for alch.
  
  For magic, our revamp is a formula that may or may not be fixed now for the spell charges, 4 new skills to make us move while casting, have an instant charged spell every now and then THAT WE HAVE TO ACTIVATE FIRST (please god tell me they will change it to just a on/off thing like chain cylinder...) and a skill that's just meant for bosses and nothing more.
  
  All of which costs a LOT of ap. Over half a K for the fire magic alone, though I think it's justified but...I could see 480 being much better a cost than that. :-/
  
  Unless they change the AP costs of older skills, magic is just so AP heavy I wouldn't recommend it to ANYONE, let alone hybrid it with ANYTHING. Unless you had the cash and time to RB every week and max your exploration and hit level 151 every RB, just don't even try..
  
  What they SHOULD have done...
  
  [SPOILER="Spoiler"]Instead of mobile cast, just make it so starting at rank 9 you can move with the int magics at a % of your speed. I wouldn't mind the SP cost really. So long as you can still do it without SP, much like you can still meditate if you have 0 SP and 100 hunger from a fountain.
  
  Instant cast is fine how it is, just if we could toggle it on and off. Every time the cool down is gone you do the normal instant cast animation to help show you that you're about to instant cast. This would be far better than having to turn it on each time (From what I've seen that's what you have to do.) I also heard it has less of a cool down, the more you use magic. Is that true? If so then I like it a good bit more lol. I still like it, just wish it was done a bit differently.[/SPOILER]
  
  Magic Weapon mastery I don't have any real info to go on other than bolts get stronger and int magic get's faster to cast. I don't really care, that works by me as long as it's not AP heavy out the ass. We already have a lot of masteries and meditation (which still needs to be uncapped) to rank, adding another despite what it does doesn't look too well with a higher AP cost.
  
  All in all I'm both happy and disappointed by a few things in this update but until the final release I'll just keep to the data and keep my hopes up.
• Johny wrote on 2013-04-09 23:46

  Quote from Zeo;1065770:

  Exactly what I've been trying to say in this thread pretty much the whole time. The new skills for Magic skills is nice, yeah but I do not want to deal lower damage because well... it just bring down the usefulness for the Mages while having new skills bring up the usefulness only slightly so it actually ended up being worse.

  
  
  And it is sad really... back in the day when magic was actually something, it was a really fun skill set to use. And still is. However this... this...i can't even describe it, it's not a "revamp", not even a nerf, this is an insult. A blatant insult to the people that have focused their time as a mage since the beginning, that have been loyal for such a long time. It really is sad and hurtful.
  
  The lot of you could care less about what has become of magic...but imagine warrior being nerfed into oblivion like this...or even ranged for that matter...most of you would care a lot. You would rant away just like I have and perhaps more.
  
  I hope DevCat pulls another 2 weeks of revision....SERIOUS REVISION...or else, magic is as good as dead in mabinogi. Nice knowing you all.
• Perfectio wrote on 2013-04-09 23:51

  but imagine warrior being nerfed into oblivion like this...or even ranged for that matter...

  
  
  And the next week Mabi shuts down worldwide.
  
  Fact is, most players love being faceroll DPS. Nerfing faceroll DPS never ends well.
• Zeo wrote on 2013-04-09 23:51

  Quote from Johny;1065777:

  And it is sad really... back in the day when magic was actually something, it was a really fun skill set to use. And still is. However this... this...i can't even describe it, it's not a "revamp", not even a nerf, this is an insult. A blatant insult to the people that have focused their time as a mage since the beginning, that have been loyal for such a long time. It really is sad and hurtful.
  
  The lot of you could care less about what has become of magic...but imagine warrior being nerfed into oblivion like this...or even ranged for that matter...most of you would care a lot. You would rant away just like I have and perhaps more.
  
  I hope DevCat pulls another 2 weeks of revision....SERIOUS REVISION...or else, magic is as good as dead in mabinogi. Nice knowing you all.

  
  
  Yeah... I was going to pull out on how people would feel if it happened to other skillsets earlier today but then, people would end up flaming me, probably. I started out on Magic ever since I started Mabinogi in early G2 on Ruairi server, and when I moved to Alexina, I started off as Healer at first but slowly leaning onto offensive magic skills now, so I hope DevCat won't end up "nerfing" the magic damage.
  
  I still can't believe that even with the latest patch, they left the new magic formula untouched which only applied to one charge (thus, about 90% of the Magic skills were nerfed), rather than having the formula that actually apply to each charge of the 5 (with the exception of Fireball, Icebolt, and Lightning Bolt).
• Johny wrote on 2013-04-09 23:54

  Quote from Perfectio;1065780:

  And the next week Mabi shuts down worldwide.

  
  
  With this kind of a blatant insult, yea I wouldn't care if Mabinogi died.
  
  

  Yeah... I was going to pull out on how people would feel if it happened to other skillsets earlier today but then, people would end up flaming me, probably. I started out on Magic ever since I started Mabinogi in early G2 on Ruairi server, and when I moved to Alexina, I started off as Healer at first but slowly leaning onto offensive magic skills now, so I hope DevCat won't end up "nerfing" the magic damage.
  
  I still can't believe that even with the latest patch, they left the new magic formula untouched which only applied to one charge (thus, about 90% of the Magic skills were nerfed), rather than having the formula that actually apply to each charge of the 5 (with the exception of Fireball, Icebolt, and Lightning Bolt).

  
  
  Well, everybody else rants, complains, and even death-threats Nexon about all the other skill sets. So why in hell can't we do the same for magic? Even if it does have the least population using it, it is still part of the game and should have equal treatment.
• radionoise wrote on 2013-04-09 23:54

  Quote from ╔╦╗╒╕║╒╕;1065722:

  What are the stats on that OP bow (upgraded if it can be upgraded) and how does one obtain it and the arrow item?

  
  
  I forget, but it's:
  1. More damage than HLB.
  2. Receives 30 max damage on top of that from the arrow.
  3. Receives further 15% MORE damage on top of all that from the arrow (as in, 1.15x to your total dmg which is insane).
  4. It has lv 2 piercing, which now reduces protection by like 10% due to piercing changes in today's patch.
  5. Can be enchanted for even more damage.
  6. Can be elemental reforged for even MORE damage.
  7. The arrows never run out.
  8. To add insult to injury, it's also special upgraded so you can r6 it for +62% critical damage.
  
  tl;dr: the new bow is by far the strongest weapon in Mabinogi if you have high enough base damage (which endgame archers have tons of). All other bows and ego bows are 100% obsolete, dead and don't bother.
  
  It's made by magic craft I think... you need materials from the dragon raid content to make.
• Perfectio wrote on 2013-04-10 00:00
  >devcat in charge of balance
  
  I mean, who the fuck thought making this a thing was a good idea?
• truefire wrote on 2013-04-10 00:03

  Quote from Perfectio;1065785:

  >devcat in charge of balance

  
  
  These changes stink of a mandate by the current director, whose "vision" makes it painfully clear he never really liked or understood Mabi in the first place.
• Johny wrote on 2013-04-10 00:04

  Quote from Perfectio;1065785:

  >devcat in charge of balance

  
  
  Heh, what balance? I now believe DevCat is purposely trying to sink Mabinogi.
• Zeo wrote on 2013-04-10 00:08
  I wonder... is many KR players over at Korea forums complaining at about how badly the magic got nerfed? I sure do hope so.
• Johny wrote on 2013-04-10 00:11

  Quote from Zeo;1065793:

  I wonder... is many KR players over at Korea forums complaining at about how badly the magic got nerfed? I sure do hope so.

  
  
  Last I heard, Magic and alchemy are all but abandoned in Kr. I'm pretty sure DevCat could announce the termination of magic as a skill set and the Kr community would care less. Alchemy...is admittedly having it a lot better than magic is.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-04-10 00:29
  Looking at my test video I just did I'm absolutely ashamed with Magic as it is in KR test server. I'll upload it in a bit with my overall commentary that I picked up from this thread and from skype chat with the KR test group.