Gun question

• radionoise wrote on 2013-05-12 22:45
  Isn't vivace a %? Taunes would just be faster by that %, not actually change in attack speed rating.
• Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-05-12 22:50
  Yeah. Gun attack speeds are in seconds unlike weapons, so everything would just get faster.
• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2013-05-14 02:09
  According to the wiki the Chinese Dragon Armor's Attack Speed boosting effect doesn't work on fast or very fast weapons. Do we know for sure it will work on guns, and if so will it only work on the slower guns like the Taunes?
• FallenDanny wrote on 2013-05-14 03:46

  Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1088082:

  According to the wiki the Chinese Dragon Armor's Attack Speed boosting effect doesn't work on fast or very fast weapons. Do we know for sure it will work on guns, and if so will it only work on the slower guns like the Taunes?

  
  
  We had a thread that showed attack speed up affecting gunner speed. I can't seem to find it now though... they weren't using Taunes though I don't think. x:
• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2013-05-14 04:49

  Quote from FallenDanny;1088156:

  We had a thread that showed attack speed up affecting gunner speed. I can't seem to find it now though... they weren't using Taunes though I don't think. x:

  
  
  I'll take your word for it. ;o
• Kenero wrote on 2013-05-14 05:38

  Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1088192:

  I'll take your word for it. ;o

  
  
  Is Attack Speed + Good for Guns?
  
  I was checking on KR and one of the suggestions to enchants for gunners were attack speed +.
  
  You basically get Frenzy's attack speed (minus the 100% critical hit) for normal attacks 100% of the time, which indirectly increases DPS.
  
  It isn't bad seeing how attacking the enemy 7-8 times instead of 4-5 times before they touch you is damaging.
  
  However, they don't suggest wearing heavy armor (though that may change with the g18 update) but things like the hummingbird enchant, hawk, etc. being preferably on the chinese boots and helm.
  
  
  

  Quote from nana:

  
  
  normal attack
  
  [video=youtube;xjl0S65hhEE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjl0S65hhEE[/video]
  [video=youtube;F4l0Xj-fb-4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4l0Xj-fb-4[/video]
  
  
  
  normal attack with set effect
  [video=youtube;bjf9pDToFyk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjf9pDToFyk[/video]
  [video=youtube;3VvZ4qMSkDM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VvZ4qMSkDM[/video]
  
  
  
  normal attack with set effect + frenzy
  
  [video=youtube;y_AIlQl2vr0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_AIlQl2vr0[/video]
  [video=youtube;PmofKAEw9I4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmofKAEw9I4[/video]
  
  just a comparison.

  
  
  
  However there's also an alternative to making one:
  
  Automatic
  rank8
  suffix drop from mob
  enchant enable for Dual-guns
  Attack speed increase 8
  Reload rank5+ damage balance 15% increase
  Shoot rush rank7+ critical 10~15% increase
  enchant enabled regardless of rank.
  
  With that enchant and +2 attack from viscount boots, you're good to go.
  
  
  I am not sure how difficult it is to obtain the enchant.
  
  If anything, now is the perfect time to make your gunner skill.
• ironwoman wrote on 2013-05-14 05:49
  Or wouldn't this set up work too?
  
  Oblivion Dexterity Chinese helmet
  Ancient/Innocent Pitch black Chinese armor
  Steel Needle Swarming Chinese gauntlets
  Oblivion Viscount boots
  
  Officer's Crocodile Gun
  
  Since it won't matter which roll you get for viscount anyways (it'll be either 10 or 11 attack speed)
  And when G18 comes out, then you can get two accessories, not being as ineffective in range/puppet.
  I feel like this set up would be the best, since when you want to wear heavy armor, it means you want to use chinese boots, as well as hawk, meaning you'll miss out the max damage as well as thames set bonus for humans and giants.
  Using mostly chinese armor set would help, as it allows you to put max damage-oriented enchants on the guns.
• NaBrO wrote on 2013-05-14 05:51
  Viscount for some reason can't go on CD boots
  
  best you can do is hawk for attack speed I guess
• ironwoman wrote on 2013-05-14 05:52

  Quote from NaBrO;1088227:

  Viscount for some reason can't go on CD boots
  
  best you can do is hawk for attack speed I guess

  
  
  Because they're considered light footwear, not greaves.
  
  You don't have to get viscount on CD boots.
  
  If you have the rest of the set and any viscount boots, attack speed increase will take effect.
• NaBrO wrote on 2013-05-14 05:54
  yeeep totally read that wrong
• Kenero wrote on 2013-05-14 05:59

  Quote from ironwoman;1088228:

  Because they're considered light footwear, not greaves.
  
  You don't have to get viscount on CD boots.
  
  If you have the rest of the set and any viscount boots, attack speed increase will take effect.

  
  
  As long as they get the same result it's fine.
  
  Personally I rather have automatic on my guns, then Viscount on my shoes so I can take advantage of heavy armor when the heavy armor mastery comes in.
  
  Though Chinese Dragon allows you to use any enchants without the worry about set effect, but for the Automatic + max roll viscount, you're not really losing anything since Viscount is still a great max damage enchant for greaves and allows you to take advantage of heavy armor protection and enchant.
  
  Otherwise if you plan to be a gunner + any dex using combat or fighter (unless giant), best to use Chinese Dragon Armor.
  
  Also: The person in the video is using Dealla SE, the fastest gun but with the biggest clip.
  
  Notice there's a difference in attack speed.
• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2013-05-14 06:46

  Quote from Kenero;1088231:

  As long as they get the same result it's fine.
  
  Personally I rather have automatic on my guns, then Viscount on my shoes so I can take advantage of heavy armor when the heavy armor mastery comes in.
  
  Though Chinese Dragon allows you to use any enchants without the worry about set effect, but for the Automatic + max roll viscount, you're not really losing anything since Viscount is still a great max damage enchant for greaves and allows you to take advantage of heavy armor protection and enchant.
  
  Otherwise if you plan to be a gunner + any dex using combat or fighter (unless giant), best to use Chinese Dragon Armor.
  
  Also: The person in the video is using Dealla SE, the fastest gun but with the biggest clip.
  
  Notice there's a difference in attack speed.

  
  
  Alright, so if you're planning to main guns enchanted heavy armor > Chinese dragon set?
  Cause I just bought the CD set, and spent another ~3m on dyes, so if it's not what I need then I'm going to be annoyed.
• ironwoman wrote on 2013-05-14 11:55

  Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1088249:

  Alright, so if you're planning to main guns enchanted heavy armor > Chinese dragon set?
  Cause I just bought the CD set, and spent another ~3m on dyes, so if it's not what I need then I'm going to be annoyed.

  
  
  Probably should have spent those 3m on enchants. Personally, it would be a great use for me, since I can't see myself not hybriding.
  
  Also, what's the end game gun then? I know Taunes will give more damage for skills. But I don't know what's better for Frenzy. For some reason, I feel like Taunes would be better for Frenzy as well.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-05-14 12:12
  Personally I would use both.
  
  Dealla SE for normal rooms so I can continue high combos.... Taunes for bosses.
• Syrion wrote on 2013-05-14 14:55
  what exactly is the mana shield nerf? Is the denominator decreased on the skill/reforges or do the mechanics change altogether