Mega Mosque near ground zero?

• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-08-23 18:08

  Quote from EndlessDreams;134825:

  From this article about the most dangerous religion, it lists more details of similar things that happened in the past:

  
  
  People just need someone to blame their problems on. For the longest time, people blamed Jews. Now people are just blaming anyone who is different.
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 18:08

  Quote from Timexpo;134814:

  Okay, so if your not Christian, you can go to a Christian school, but not do religious stuff.
  Okay, so if your not Muslim, you can go to the community center, but not do religious stuff.

  
  
  I'll answer both your post here, since they are essentially the same.
  
  I have said that according to Sharia Law and the Figh, if you don't follow their laws, you are not welcomed. Basically if you go into this community center, you shall be expected to follow the teachings of Islam whether you like it or not. Sharia law states, an eye for an eye. There are no exceptions in Sharia Laws.
  
  You do not have a choice to just show up and hang out without observing the religious aspects of this community center.
  
  

  Quote from Timexpo;134826:

  And the answer is yes, because they care, they want to give something back, they understand how bad that day was.

  
  
  I have yet to see them state this in any press clippings.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-08-23 18:11

  Quote from wolfram;134828:

  I'll answer both your post here, since they are essentially the same.
  
  I have said that according to Sharia Law and the Figh, if you don't follow their laws, you are not welcomed. Basically if you go into this community center, you shall be expected to follow the teachings of Islam whether you like it or not. Sharia law states, an eye for an eye. There are no exceptions in Sharia Laws.
  
  You do not have a choice to just show up and hang out without observing the religious aspects of this community center.

  
  
  It's not like people follow any religions as they were originally intended to be followed as. As far as we all know, the Bible was changed drastically throughout time, and the original meaning is lost forever. And it's not like Islam is different from many other religions. They follow one God, they find all life sacred, they denounce violence, etc.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 18:13

  Quote from wolfram;134828:

  I'll answer both your post here, since they are essentially the same.
  
  I have said that according to Sharia Law and the Figh, if you don't follow their laws, you are not welcomed. Basically if you go into this community center, you shall be expected to follow the teachings of Islam whether you like it or not. Sharia law states, an eye for an eye. There are no exceptions in Sharia Laws.
  
  You do not have a choice to just show up and hang out without observing the religious aspects of this community center.

  
  
  
  

  The center offers open houses that are open to non-Muslims and encourages community participation. The center's annual open house, which is held the same day as Columbia's Earth Day, aims to explain Islam to the local population.

  
  

  Columbia Muslims share views on mosque near ground zero - Columbia Missourian

  
  Or not, see they are giving back to the community.
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 18:13

  Quote from Shirayuki;134834:

  It's not like people follow any religions as they were originally intended to be followed as. As far as we all know, the Bible was changed drastically throughout time, and the original meaning is lost forever. And it's not like Islam is different from many other religions. They follow one God, they find all life sacred, they denounce violence, etc.

  
  
  But people choose to follow their own religion. We don't want to be forced to follow one we don't believe in.
  They all preach the same things, it doesn't mean they all teach it the same way. We choose how we want to learn it.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-08-23 18:14

  Quote from wolfram;134840:

  But people choose to follow their own religion. We don't want to be forced to follow one we don't believe in.
  They all preach the same things, it doesn't mean they all teach it the same way. We choose how we want to learn it.

  
  
  And you can choose not to follow their religion in a community center. It's not like just because America was started by people of one religion, we all must follow their religion.
• Axx wrote on 2010-08-23 18:15
  I think the biggest problem (in my view) is this "Qur'an can't be under anyone" spiel. Much like how people protest "In God we Trust" and "One Nation under God"--because it's just there, it's forcing a certain view.
  
  My personal opinion is that you pass a ban on all religious buildings X feet from ground zero, or you let them build it.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 18:18

  Quote from Axx;134844:

  I think the biggest problem (in my view) is this "Qur'an can't be under anyone" spiel. Much like how people protest "In God we Trust" and "One Nation under God"--because it's just there, it's forcing a certain view.
  
  My personal opinion is that you pass a ban on all religious buildings X feet from ground zero, or you let them build it.

  
  I dont understand your first point? I mean, Ive been using that because its a community center with the religious part on top, because its offensive for the Qur'an to physically be under someone.
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 18:22

  Quote from Timexpo;134838:

  Or not, see they are giving back to the community.

  
  
  That's a totally different mosque. Not the one intended for Ground Zero.
  I didn't say all mosque was bad, neither are they all good either.
  
  

  Quote from Shirayuki;134842:

  And you can choose not to follow their religion in a community center. It's not like just because America was started by people of one religion, we all must follow their religion.

  
  
  Reread my post about Sharia Law. They won't accept anyone on a long term basis into the community center without them adhering to Islam. Yes education and open houses are nice for the community, but that gives it a sense that its closed to outsiders when its not an open house.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 18:25

  Quote from wolfram;134856:

  That's a totally different mosque. Not the one intended for Ground Zero.
  I didn't say all mosque was bad, neither are they all good either.

  
  
  The point is you dont have to be Muslim to use the community center.
  
  

  Rezwan Islam said the community in lower Manhattan will benefit from similar services if the Islamic center is allowed to be built. He says the center would also highlight the American values of liberty and justice.

• Axx wrote on 2010-08-23 18:25

  Quote from Timexpo;134849:

  I dont understand your first point? I mean, Ive been using that because its a community center with the religious part on top, because its offensive for the Qur'an to physically be under someone.

  
  That is the point. You're forced to accept Islam's teachings that the Qur'an is a holy book and all is beneath it. Well, symbolically, anyways. Like I said before, it's offensive the same way that 'In God We Trust' printed on money is offensive to non-Christians (most don't care, but a few will protest it).
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 18:27

  Quote from Timexpo;134864:

  The point is you dont have to be Muslim to use the community center.

  
  
  During open houses. It never said that doors are always open for everyone.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-08-23 18:29

  Quote from wolfram;134863:

  Reread my post about Sharia Law. They won't accept anyone on a long term basis into the community center without them adhering to Islam. Yes education and open houses are nice for the community, but that gives it a sense that its closed to outsiders when its not an open house.

  
  
  It's not even a mainly religious place though. Doesn't matter if they don't follow Islam or not. Probably won't even be mainly run by Muslim people. Probably just the mosque area itself will be run by Muslims.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 18:29

  Quote from Axx;134865:

  That is the point. You're forced to accept Islam's teachings that the Qur'an is a holy book and all is beneath it. Well, symbolically, anyways. Like I said before, it's offensive the same way that 'In God We Trust' printed on money is offensive to non-Christians (most don't care, but a few will protest it).

  
  
  Oh, I understand now...But the point is that it shouldn't be more offensive, I mean, why aren't people protesting the USD like they are the Mosque?
• Axx wrote on 2010-08-23 18:32

  Quote from Timexpo;134869:

  Oh, I understand now...But the point is that it shouldn't be more offensive, I mean, why aren't people protesting the USD like they are the Mosque?

  
  If you want my really biased opinion on it, I think it's only a handful of people that actively care, and the media/politicians are playing it up into a religious war to spread fear and keep the people's minds off of the rest of the things that are going badly in this country. And the pledge/USD thing has been a background issue for decades now.