Mega Mosque near ground zero?

• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 18:34

  Quote from Shirayuki;134868:

  It's not even a mainly religious place though. Doesn't matter if they don't follow Islam or not. Probably won't even be mainly run by Muslim people. Probably just the mosque area itself will be run by Muslims.

  
  
  Islamic Community Center. You can't speculate on who they will or will not hire.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-08-23 18:36

  Quote from wolfram;134873:

  Islamic Community Center. You can't speculate on who they will or will not hire.

  
  
  Either way, they won't kick you out of a community center if you don't follow Islam. It's a person's choice to use or not use a community center.
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 18:37

  Quote from Timexpo;134869:

  Oh, I understand now...But the point is that it shouldn't be more offensive, I mean, why aren't people protesting the USD like they are the Mosque?

  
  
  What he means is that, They expect us to follow the teachings of the Qur'an. That it is most holy and shall never be below us. And at the same time, they protest that we have "Christian" symbols all over our USD and Pledge of Allegiance.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 18:37
  Im looking up stuff on who would be allowed inside, can you post where you found that non-muslims wouldn't be allowed inside?
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 18:38

  Quote from Shirayuki;134874:

  Either way, they won't kick you out of a community center if you don't follow Islam. It's a person's choice to use or not use a community center.

  
  
  How do you know they won't kick you out? Don't speculate about what will or will not happen.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-08-23 18:40

  Quote from wolfram;134881:

  How do you know they won't kick you out? Don't speculate about what will or will not happen.

  
  
  Then don't speculate/flat out say they WILL kick you out because of this law that you have no proof of even existing. If you weren't a follower of a religion, I could say you must be a shut-in to fulfill your duties on earth, so I would like proof.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 18:43

  Quote from wolfram;134878:

  What he means is that, They expect us to follow the teachings of the Qur'an. That it is most holy and shall never be below us. And at the same time, they protest that we have "Christian" symbols all over our USD and Pledge of Allegiance.

  
  
  OMG, no, they really dont, ITS A COMMUNITY CENTER, you dont have to follow Islam! Look, I got this from the official Park51 site.
  

  Park51 is an independent project led by Muslim Americans for all New Yorkers. This project is separate from the Cordoba Initiative and ASMA. 



  
  All New Yorkers, ALL.
  
  You keep saying all this stuff, that simply IS NOT, true, where do you hear it?
  
  Oh, and just to make my point even more clear.
  
  

  a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community

  
  
  So, what now?
  
  /end angry rant
  
  O.o..Thread over?
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 18:52

  Quote from Shirayuki;134883:

  Then don't speculate/flat out say they WILL kick you out because of this law that you have no proof of even existing. If you weren't a follower of a religion, I could say you must be a shut-in to fulfill your duties on earth, so I would like proof.

  
  
  Have you ever seen Sharia Law enforced? There is no separation of state and religion, thier religion is the Law.
  
  CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts
  
  Legal Definition of Sharia Law
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 18:55

  Quote from wolfram;134909:

  Have you ever seen Sharia Law enforced? There is no separation of state and religion, thier religion is the Law.
  
  CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts
  
  Legal Definition of Sharia Law

  
  
  They wont kick you out. Points to huge angry wall of text.
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 18:56

  Quote from Timexpo;134890:

  OMG, no, they really dont, ITS A COMMUNITY CENTER, you dont have to follow Islam! Look, I got this from the official Park51 site.
  
  All New Yorkers, ALL.
  
  You keep saying all this stuff, that simply IS NOT, true, where do you hear it?
  
  Oh, and just to make my point even more clear.
  
  
  
  So, what now?
  
  /end angry rant
  
  O.o..Thread over?

  
  
  Independent sources please? Even i don't link back to the people in charge of arguing for or against this mosque as your post states.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-08-23 18:58

  Quote from wolfram;134909:

  Have you ever seen Sharia Law enforced? There is no separation of state and religion, thier religion is the Law.
  
  CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts
  
  Legal Definition of Sharia Law

  
  
  The only reason America isn't a theocracy is because of the diversity. If the people who use the center are diverse, the law will really not be in effect.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 19:00

  Quote from wolfram;134917:

  Independent sources please? Even i don't link back to the people in charge of arguing for or against this mosque as your post states.

  
  
  Dude...Although I dont really want to spend much more time on this, Ill try finding ANOTHER source because apparently that one isnt good enough for you...And you dont really link to anything that supports your against arguments.
  
  But why is that source not good enough? I mean, why would they lie? Then they would actually get in trouble after they built it....
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 19:00

  Quote from Shirayuki;134921:

  The only reason America isn't a theocracy is because of the diversity. If the people who use the center are diverse, the law will really not be in effect.

  
  
  I agree, diversity solves a lot of problems that might arise. Will they allow it though? Retorical Question there.
• Axx wrote on 2010-08-23 19:00

  Quote from wolfram;134909:

  Have you ever seen Sharia Law enforced? There is no separation of state and religion, thier religion is the Law.
  

  
  That might be true, but it's illegal (superceded, anyways) in the US, and even if they practice it, they'll most certainly cut out the objectionable parts. You can debate about the sexism and inequality of Sharia Law elsewhere, but it's a non-factor as it pertains to this particular discussion.
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 19:04

  Quote from Timexpo;134923:

  Dude...Although I dont really want to spend much more time on this, Ill try finding ANOTHER source because apparently that one isnt good enough for you...And you dont really link to anything that supports your against arguments.
  
  But why is that source not good enough? I mean, why would they lie? Then they would actually get in trouble after they built it....

  
  
  Non-independent sources always carry biases. Park51, as a direct leader of this project, you would expect them to carry biases.