Mega Mosque near ground zero?

• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 19:28

  Quote from wolfram;134984:

  True, all religions state that good will overcome and strive to teach that.
  I'm just raising that possibility that they do kick everyone that doesn't choose to follow their teachings out.
  
  Stating goals and carrying them out are two different things.

  
  
  But if you dont agree with their teachings, you probably wont be going into the actual Mosque, just the rest of the community center.
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 19:31

  Quote from Timexpo;134986:

  But if you dont agree with their teachings, you probably wont be going into the actual Mosque, just the rest of the community center.

  
  
  It is a mosque that will be a community center also.
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-08-23 19:31
  You guys. Seriously.
  
  Cut the hostility. Also, this argument is going in circles.
  
  If you can't prove that they will kick you out, you can't argue against others and say that their points are stupid.
  
  @wolfram - there is an edit button for a reason. Seriously, stop double posting. It's not a huge thing but it's happened too many times in this thread. I've merged all your posts, so in the future use the edit button. Consider this a verbal warning.
  
  
  And to all of you in this thread, play nice. Nobody wants trouble ._.
  
  
  
  Also, stay on topic ._.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 19:32

  Quote from wolfram;134988:

  It is a mosque that will be a community center also.

  
  
  No, its a community center with a separate mosque located on the top floor
  

  a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community

  
  
  
  Edit: Sorry Kazuni....
• Tokiko wrote on 2010-08-23 19:32
  I don't see why so many people hate this.
  The YMCA is a community center and if they were building a YMCA nobody would of said anything.
  I've listened to an interview about this.
  There is going to be Cooking classes,daycare,ect.
  I don't see what is wrong with that.
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 19:33

  Quote from Timexpo;134990:

  No, its a community center with a separate mosque located on the top floor

  
  
  A Mosque...
• Beepuke wrote on 2010-08-23 19:33
  This thread is kind of degenerating. :(
  
  Anyway, Sharia Law or not, from what I gather, this Park51 thing appears to be a community center that is being developed alongside the mosque, but independently? I don't see why Sharia Law would apply to a building that's affiliated with, but not directly under the control of the mosque. Religious law should really only apply to religious buildings. The official site is .. not really biased so much as factual. How and why would the official site LIE about who would be admitted to the community center?
  
  As for the actual mosque, as a New Yorker who walked home from school across the midtown manhattan bridge on the day of 9/11, I don't really care if they build it or not. I'm certainly not opposed to it. I think the fact that the issue is being debated is incredibly backwards of America. We, who pride ourselves on intellectual and religious freedom, are making a huge deal about something that should be a no brainer. It's not Islam that attacked the WTC on 9/11, it's not Islam that we were engaged in war with for the last decade. We were fighting the radical extremists of Islam, representing a very small minority of all Muslims. To indiscriminately discriminate (lol) is terribly unfair to the 99.9% of Muslims who don't wish fiery death and destruction upon America.
  
  tl;dr this entire debate is stupid, mosque should be built if zoning laws permit, there are no MORALS involved here
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 19:34

  Quote from Mozendo;134991:

  I don't see why so many people hate this.
  The YMCA is a community center and if they were building a YMCA nobody would of said anything.
  I've listened to an interview about this.
  There is going to be Cooking classes,daycare,ect.
  I don't see what is wrong with that.

  
  
  YMCA is community center. Not a church.
  There is no where to officially go pray in the YMCA.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 19:35

  Quote from wolfram;134992:

  A Mosque...

  
  
  No, you dont have to go the the Mosque, so the Mosque rules/traditions dont apply to the rest of the community center.
  
  again.
  

  a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community

  
  
  Separately.
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-08-23 19:38
  Community center open to all is on the lower floors. They won't kick you out for not being religious. It's for all of New York.
  Like said previously, cooking classes, community activities.
  
  A mosque is on the top floor. It's optional to go there or not. What people do there is not of your concern.
  
  I can't see why you're still arguing, wolfram.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 19:39

  Quote from Kazuni;134999:

  Community center open to all is on the lower floors. They won't kick you out for not being religious. It's for all of New York.
  Like said previously, cooking classes, community activities.
  
  A mosque is on the top floor. It's optional to go there or not. What people do there is not of your concern.
  
  I can't see why you're still arguing, wolfram.

  
  
  adding to things included in the community center
  
  

  outstanding recreation spaces and fitness facilities (swimming pool, gym, basketball court)
  a 500-seat auditorium
  a restaurant and culinary school
  cultural amenities including exhibitions
  education programs
  a library, reading room and art studios
  childcare services
  a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community
  a September 11th memorial and quiet contemplation space, open to all
  

• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 19:40

  Quote from Beepuke;134993:

  This thread is kind of degenerating. :(
  
  Anyway, Sharia Law or not, from what I gather, this Park51 thing appears to be a community center that is being developed alongside the mosque, but independently? I don't see why Sharia Law would apply to a building that's affiliated with, but not directly under the control of the mosque. Religious law should really only apply to religious buildings. The official site is .. not really biased so much as factual. How and why would the official site LIE about who would be admitted to the community center?
  
  As for the actual mosque, as a New Yorker who walked home from school across the midtown manhattan bridge on the day of 9/11, I don't really care if they build it or not. I'm certainly not opposed to it. I think the fact that the issue is being debated is incredibly backwards of America. We, who pride ourselves on intellectual and religious freedom, are making a huge deal about something that should be a no brainer. It's not Islam that attacked the WTC on 9/11, it's not Islam that we were engaged in war with for the last decade. We were fighting the radical extremists of Islam, representing a very small minority of all Muslims. To indiscriminately discriminate (lol) is terribly unfair to the 99.9% of Muslims who don't wish fiery death and destruction upon America.
  
  tl;dr this entire debate is stupid, mosque should be built if zoning laws permit, there are no MORALS involved here

  
  
  Legal they have passed all zoning laws and are permitted to build there. Physically they can start building as soon as the funds come in. The question many people raise is, "Is it an Insult to the memory of 9/11 to build this particular mosque there?"
  
  They can just as well build somewhere else. Even the major and governor of New York has offered them Government Land to build on.
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-08-23 19:41

  Quote from Timexpo;135001:

  adding to things included in the community center

  
  
  Exactly. This isn't based on the mosque. It's based on the community center, the mosque is just an addition, like the swimming pool, the auditorium, etc etc.
  
  Also, I'll repeat what Tim quoted :
  

  a September 11th memorial and quiet contemplation space, open to all

  
  
  The mosque isn't harmful. It's a religion.
  
  You can't blame 911 on the innocent people who use that mosque. It's just another community thing.
  
  
  

  Quote from wolfram;135003:

  Legal they have passed all zoning laws and are permitted to build there. Physically they can start building as soon as the funds come in. The question many people raise is, "Is it an Insult to the memory of 9/11 to build this particular mosque there?"
  
  They can just as well build somewhere else. Even the major and governor of New York has offered them Government Land to build on.

  
  
  Why should they build somewhere else? This community center has as much of a right as anything to be there.
  Again, you can't blame 911 on the people who want the community center to be built. They don't deserve to have to make way because Americans feel insulted, like you said before.
  You can't blame 911 on Muslims in general, just like you can't blame world hunger on Americans.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 19:42

  Quote from wolfram;135003:

  Legal they have passed all zoning laws and are permitted to build there. Physically they can start building as soon as the funds come in. The question many people raise is, "Is it an Insult to the memory of 9/11 to build this particular mosque there?"
  
  They can just as well build somewhere else. Even the major and governor of New York has offered them Government Land to build on.

  
  And I keep asking why it would be an insult, and there isnt a reason, its not an insult, its a memorial. Im only going to post a maximum of 5 more posts in this thread, unless something big happens.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-08-23 19:43

  Quote from wolfram;135003:

  Legal they have passed all zoning laws and are permitted to build there. Physically they can start building as soon as the funds come in. The question many people raise is, "Is it an Insult to the memory of 9/11 to build this particular mosque there?"
  
  They can just as well build somewhere else. Even the major and governor of New York has offered them Government Land to build on.

  
  
  It's not even mainly a mosque. It's really barely a mosque. Islam is one of the fastest growing religions, so the world should cater to that fact, shouldn't it?