Mega Mosque near ground zero?

• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 19:05
  Oh wait, I just realised, I CANT FIND ANOTHER SOURCE, want to know why? Cause the only people who can say whats going to happen IN THE community center, are the people in charge, therefore, from the official site....But heres more quotes....
  
  

  In a post on the Park51 Web site later on Tuesday, El-Gamal wrote, “With the conclusion of this process, I look forward to beginning in earnest the development process and working with the Park51 team in [sic] as a community center open to all that will celebrate and honor America and Muslim American experiences.”
  
  “Until the resolution of the landmarks issue this morning, we were unable to emerge from stage one, as we could not be clear on the impact of a designation on the architecture and design of the building or its program spaces, activities or programming,” a statement read later in the day on the Park51 Web site. “We are eager to begin working with our partners, supporters, neighbors and communities, to build a community center for everyone.”

  
  
  Go-ahead for NY Islamic Cultural Center
  
  So, what do you want me to do? I cant find another source, because there actually CANT be one, you can find a ton, because its people posting things that they heard on TV or the Radio, I mean, my source should be valid.
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 19:05

  Quote from Axx;134927:

  That might be true, but it's illegal (superceded, anyways) in the US, and even if they practice it, they'll most certainly cut out the objectionable parts. You can debate about the sexism and inequality of Sharia Law elsewhere, but it's a non-factor as it pertains to this particular discussion.

  
  
  US law does not recognize Sharia Law. It still won't stop them from enforcing it.
  
  

  Quote from Timexpo;134935:

  Oh wait, I just realised, I CANT FIND ANOTHER SOURCE, want to know why? Cause the only people who can say whats going to happen IN THE community center, are the people in charge, therefore, form the official site....But heres more quotes....
  
  
  
  Go-ahead for NY Islamic Cultural Center
  
  So, what do you want me to do? I cant find another source, because there actually CANT be one, you can find a ton, because its people posting things that they heard on TV or the Radio, I mean, my source should be valid.

  
  
  My sources come from educational universities...not some people stating their opinions. They are law-definition websites, educational sites, etc.
  Not blog post, or personal sites.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 19:09

  Quote from wolfram;134940:

  My sources come from educational universities...not some people stating their opinions. They are law-definition websites, educational sites, etc.
  Not blog post, or personal sites.

  
  But its THEIR opinions, THEY CANT SAY, what will and wont happen inside the community center, because THEY DONT OWN IT, the only people who can say that are the people building it.
  
  And seriously, stop double posting, you can just edit the first post.
• Axx wrote on 2010-08-23 19:14

  Quote from wolfram;134937:

  US law does not recognize Sharia Law. It still won't stop them from enforcing it.

  
  I'm not sure what you're arguing here. That the Muslim mosque will follow Sharia law in it's proceedings, or that the Muslim mosque will force the entire community center to follow Sharia law? I see it as that thing Church does when you go up to eat a piece of bread and drink some wine (Eucharist?). You can participate, or you can just watch. They'll do it their way, but no one will require you to do anything (besides perhaps requesting that you be polite, like asking you to remove your hat/bow your head and asking you to leave if you refuse). And this will only apply if you go to the top floor anyways.
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 19:15

  Quote from Timexpo;134943:

  But its THEIR opinions, THEY CANT SAY, what will and wont happen inside the community center, because THEY DONT OWN IT, the only people who can say that are the people building it.
  
  And seriously, stop double posting, you can just edit the first post.

  
  
  My link didn't deal with what they will or will not do within the mosque. They link directly to translation of the Koran and Legal Definition of Sharia Law.
  I never speculated about what they will or won't do. I stated that within that mosque either you follow Sharia Law or gtfo. Which is fully supported by my links.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 19:16

  Quote from Axx;134949:

  I'm not sure what you're arguing here. That the Muslim mosque will follow Sharia law in it's proceedings, or that the Muslim mosque will force the entire community center to follow Sharia law? I see it as that thing Church does when you go up to eat a piece of bread and drink some wine (Eucharist?). You can participate, or you can just watch. They'll do it their way, but no one will require you to do anything (besides perhaps requesting that you be polite, like asking you to remove your hat/bow your head and asking you to leave if you refuse). And this will only apply if you go to the top floor anyways.

  
  This. Exactly this.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-08-23 19:16

  Quote from wolfram;134951:

  My link didn't deal with what they will or will not do within the mosque. They link directly to translation of the Koran and Legal Definition of Sharia Law.
  I never speculated about what they will or won't do. I stated that within that mosque either you follow Sharia Law or gtfo. Which is fully supported by my links.

  
  
  At least spell the name of their holy book right. Shows how much you know.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 19:17

  Quote from wolfram;134951:

  My link didn't deal with what they will or will not do within the mosque. They link directly to translation of the Koran and Legal Definition of Sharia Law.
  I never speculated about what they will or won't do. I stated that within that mosque either you follow Sharia Law or gtfo. Which is fully supported by my links.

  
  
  I was talking about the community center, if your just talking about the Mosque, I dont see a problem, if your not a Muslim you have no need to go to the Mosque, so my point still stands.
  
  edit: Shirayuki Welcome Back!
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 19:20

  Quote from Axx;134949:

  I'm not sure what you're arguing here. That the Muslim mosque will follow Sharia law in it's proceedings, or that the Muslim mosque will force the entire community center to follow Sharia law? I see it as that thing Church does when you go up to eat a piece of bread and drink some wine (Eucharist?). You can participate, or you can just watch. They'll do it their way, but no one will require you to do anything (besides perhaps requesting that you be polite, like asking you to remove your hat/bow your head and asking you to leave if you refuse). And this will only apply if you go to the top floor anyways.

  
  
  With Christian beliefs you have the choice to participate. According to Sharia Law, you have to participate.
  
  

  Quote from Shirayuki;134958:

  At least spell the name of their holy book right. Shows how much you know.

  
  
  Qur'an and Koran. There are two different Spellings.
• Time wrote on 2010-08-23 19:21

  Quote from wolfram;134965:

  With Christian beliefs you have the choice to participate. According to Sharia Law, you have to participate.

  
  
  Or not go to the Mosque.
  
  And again, theres an edit button for a reason.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-08-23 19:21

  Quote from Timexpo;134960:

  I was talking about the community center, if your just talking about the Mosque, I dont see a problem, if your not a Muslim you have no need to go to the Mosque, so my point still stands.
  
  edit: Shirayuki Welcome Back!

  
  
  Don't want to get in trouble for the argument, so leaving again.
  
  

  Quote from wolfram;134968:

  Qur'an and Koran. There are two different Spellings.

  
  
  The translated spelling is Quran though. Koran is not even remotely similar. Seems like Korean misspelled.
• Axx wrote on 2010-08-23 19:22

  Quote from wolfram;134965:

  With Christian beliefs you have the choice to participate. According to Sharia Law, you have to participate.

  
  But Sharia Law also accords different laws for Jews/Christians, due to them being 'brothers of the book'. It's stated that one of the centers' goals is to foster greater understanding of Islam-- it's certainly possible that they'll be dicks and kick non-Muslims out, but that pretty much flies in the face of their stated goals.
  
  EDIT: Quit nitpicking about the spelling. You're just trolling, really. http://deanesmay.com/2009/08/22/koran-vs-quran/
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 19:25

  Quote from Shirayuki;134970:

  Don't want to get in trouble for the argument, so leaving again.
  
  
  
  The translated spelling is Quran though. Koran is not even remotely similar. Seems like Korean misspelled.

  
  
  The Translation is Qur'an, but Islamic scholars have also accepted Koran as a translation also. They can be used interchangeably.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-08-23 19:26

  Quote from wolfram;134979:

  The Translation is Qur'an, but Islamic scholars have also accepted Koran and a translation also. They can be used interchangeably.

  
  
  They may have accepted it, but it isn't the literal translation. Bye now.
  
  The word Quran starts with the Arabic letter Ù‚, or qaf.
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-23 19:27

  Quote from Axx;134972:

  But Sharia Law also accords different laws for Jews/Christians, due to them being 'brothers of the book'. It's stated that one of the centers' goals is to foster greater understanding of Islam-- it's certainly possible that they'll be dicks and kick non-Muslims out, but that pretty much flies in the face of their stated goals.

  
  
  True, all religions state that good will overcome and strive to teach that.
  I'm just raising that possibility that they do kick everyone that doesn't choose to follow their teachings out.
  
  Stating goals and carrying them out are two different things.