Let's Talk End-Game in the Future~

• Zekkii wrote on 2013-07-29 03:30

  Quote from Friggerton;1129030:

  Is this because of the dex reductions related to wearing armor? I thought there was something about dexterity contributing to piercing as well, which if I'm remembering that correctly may balance out any armor dex debuffs.

  
  I believe he was referring to the increasing presence of elemental immune mobs. The dexterity penalty from wearing armor is easily avoidable, and the piercing from dexterity is small and only subtracts from defense rather than protection so it is hardly worth noting. It would be fair to say that Ranged, Melee, and Fighter are all going to be somewhat less effective while fighting elemental immune monsters in most situations.
• Friggerton wrote on 2013-07-29 03:41

  Quote from Zekkii;1129036:

  I believe he was referring to the increasing presence of elemental immune mobs. The dexterity penalty from wearing armor is easily avoidable, and the piercing from dexterity is small and only subtracts from defense rather than protection so it is hardly worth noting. It would be fair to say that Ranged, Melee, and Fighter are all going to be somewhat less effective while fighting elemental immune monsters in most situations.

  
  
  Oh, well I don't even have any elemental stuff that I use at the moment anyhow other than those lightning elementals you "enchant" on equips. Good to know.
• Ketchup wrote on 2013-07-29 04:38
  I actually like what they are doing with them bringing elemental immune monsters, weeds out all those people that rely on elemental reforges rather than their stats.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-07-29 05:23

  Quote from NaBrO;1129012:

  [video=youtube;g0KCc9rjBOM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0KCc9rjBOM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUU9lKHi-NxOKDnGuh9aEMTw[/video]

  
  
  I dont know what that is supposed to prove.
  That it's fun? I cant really view videos on my phone.
  
  EDIT: ill reserve judgement later.
• Howhurl wrote on 2013-07-29 05:38

  Quote from NaBrO;1129012:

  [video=youtube;g0KCc9rjBOM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0KCc9rjBOM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUU9lKHi-NxOKDnGuh9aEMTw[/video]

  
  
  dem reforges
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-07-29 06:52

  Quote from Kenero;1129015:

  To be fair, once you develop a strong skillset, all other skillsets are just "different" ways of killing.
  
  Overall, I do agree that in the end, everything dies rather easy and it's just selecting what method you prefer to get it done.

  
  
  Can you please define strong skillset? Because i'm 6k and still have trouble with veteran bandits.
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-07-29 07:01

  Quote from Gensokyou;1129100:

  Can you please define strong skillset? Because i'm 6k and still have trouble with veteran bandits.

  
  Move to Cali n00b.
• SKochiya wrote on 2013-07-29 07:20
  I don't know if it's just me, but as I progress through the game, getting my stats higher and higher every week, I feel less of a need for elemental reforges, in fact I barely use them at all now (unless a random level 2 appears because of an NPC reforge).
  I already de-ego'd my double Level 4 elemental sword because well, it doesn't feel as useful anymore.
  
  Max Damage and some other (Skill Boosters) reforges seem to be the most stable way to go, in the end.
  But overkill is no fun.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-07-29 07:22

  Quote from SKochiya;1129107:

  I don't know if it's just me, but as I progress through the game, getting my stats higher and higher every week, I feel less of a need for elemental reforges, in fact I barely use them at all now (unless a random level 2 appears because of an NPC reforge).
  I already de-ego'd my double Level 4 elemental sword because well, it doesn't feel as useful anymore.
  
  Max Damage and some other (Skill Boosters) reforges seem to be the most stable way to go, in the end.
  But overkill is no fun.

  
  
  There is no kill like overkill. I'm a firm believer in that.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-07-29 13:53

  Quote from Gensokyou;1129100:

  Can you please define strong skillset? Because i'm 6k and still have trouble with veteran bandits.

  
  
  Now I am curious to how you are having problems. Even when I was 2k less than your total when g13 came about, I had no problems dealing with them. Even if you don't plan to use elemental weapons (which does help a lot) and common broad swords, you should handle them with ease:
  
  [video=youtube;XmoiKuPGsAw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmoiKuPGsAw[/video]
  
  Do you have a connection or lag problem? If so, you may have a hard time, but for your total, you should be able to obliterate the enemy. Especially with your Crisis + Climactic Crash.
• ewire123 wrote on 2013-07-29 14:56
  Ever since I got hailstorm reforge and do 20k damage (40k after magic revamp), I feel like it a jokes when people still say magic lack single dps. Even a single firebolt max dmg reforge after revamp would boost a Mage single dps to a acceptable level I don't know wtf is over specialization. Gunner also a perfect subskillset for that single dps if a Mage wishes. It still irk me when people put Mage in secondary but whatever, we see who get the last laugh.
• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2013-07-29 15:03

  Quote from Kenero;1129176:

  Now I am curious to how you are having problems. Even when I was 2k less than your total when g13 came about, I had no problems dealing with them.
  
  Do you have a connection or lag problem? If so, you may have a hard time, but for your total, you should be able to obliterate the enemy. Especially with your Crisis + Climactic Crash.

  
  
  :c
  
  

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• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-07-29 15:05
  Over specialization would be using he magic sets geared towards boosting certain things. Also throw on reforges catering to a specific magic like in your case Hailstorm Reforge + All Ice Elementals + Rosemary Gloves would be an over specialization in Hailstorm to bring out it's full damage.
  
  If I was to go for firebolt reforge, all fire elementals + cc+4 wand, + Hebona set would be over specializing in Firebolt.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-07-29 15:12

  Quote from Yuuki Asuna;1129185:

  :c
  
  

  [Image: http://mabilife.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/picture-12.png]

  
  
  If you're strong enough to one or two shot the enemy, lag can be bearable. It's like running basic or INT, even with lag and mana shield, you should be relatively fine.
  
  The only reason I am saying this to gen is because I know full well that gen is strong enough to kill those veteran bandits quite easily.
  
  And also, I know how distance lag from across the world feels like. I once had to play Mabinogi NA out of the Philippines and Japan. Nothing is more annoying than trying to handle a group of bandits when skills that is suppose to take 0 seconds to load takes like 2 seconds. However, I was able to deal with bandits safely.
  
  Then again I have had the pleasant experience of having 4+ years of the old combat system. So when smash takes 2 seconds to load as oppose to the new 0 seconds, it was tolerable for me since it was like playing on the old system.
  
  But I have full faith in that Gen is able to do it. =)
• ewire123 wrote on 2013-07-29 15:19

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1129186:

  Over specialization would be putting elementals of the same type on all your equipment. Not to mention the magic sets geared towards boosting certain things. Also throw on reforges catering to a specific magic like in your case Hailstorm Reforge + All Ice Elementals + Rosemary Gloves would be an over specialization in Hailstorm to bring out it's full damage.
  
  If I was to go for firebolt reforge, all fire elementals + cc+4 wand, + Hebona set with firebolt enhance I would be over specializing in Firebolt.

  
  
  I have both of those and have test hailstorm with and without rosemary. The damage boost is barely noticeable. The thing that affect the most is reforge. So all you need is a good hailstorm reforge level. Nothing else. Same would be true with firebolt I believe, no need to hebona set.
  
  Over specialization would net greater damage but some people are trying to say Mage can't keep up without over specialization? Oh please.
  
  I don't think putting all elemental of the same type on your equipment would boost the damage ? It only reduce the damage you take against that elemental last time I check? So wtf