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ewire123 wrote on 2013-08-04 18:05

Quote from Kaeporo;1131439:
[video=youtube;Wfv-xDTjKts]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfv-xDTjKts[/video]

Magic is looking pretty good.

I might even consider it to be a primary talent now without gross overspecialization.

It was alway a primary talents. I still don't know wtf u mean by "gross overspecilation ". I can already solo most thing with a single ice spear max reforge, and hailstorm max reforge staff for single target. After revamp, I will have all the power, mobility, and speed to toss out puppet as support.
Tropa wrote on 2013-08-04 18:15

Quote from Kaeporo;1131439:
[SPOILER="."][video=youtube;Wfv-xDTjKts]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfv-xDTjKts[/video][/SPOILER]

Magic is looking pretty good.

I might even consider it to be a primary talent now without gross overspecialization.

This makes me happy, for those(inculding me) who've spent over 4k ap on the skillset, looks like its paying off.
ewire123 wrote on 2013-08-04 18:31

Quote from Tropa;1131520:
This makes me happy, for those(inculding me) who've spent over 4k ap on the skillset, looks like its paying off.

Magic will be forever king of AOE. My reforged ice spear/hailstorm deal 14k/16k right now, after revamp it estimate will be 20k a pop. Hailstorm will do 40k with reforged set. Firebolt look like will do 3k~ non crit,10k+ crit non-reforged, and 20k+ reforged.
Aubog007 wrote on 2013-08-04 20:10

Quote from ewire123;1131514:

It was alway a primary talents. I still don't know wtf u mean by "gross overspecilation ". I can already solo most thing with a single ice spear max reforge, and hailstorm max reforge staff for single target. After revamp, I will have all the power, mobility, and speed to toss out puppet as support.

Speed.

Magic was horrible at speed, now it's better, still not the best unless you plan to lolreforge everything.
ewire123 wrote on 2013-08-04 20:49

Quote from Aubog007;1131554:
Speed.

Magic was horrible at speed, now it's better, still not the best unless you plan to lolreforge everything.

"Still not the best", well depend on your definition of best. To be the absolute "best", of course you need reforge. Other skillset do it, so of course magic will have to do it.

Saying magic need to reforge everything to be primary is false, only on the weapon is good enough.
Aubog007 wrote on 2013-08-04 23:43

Quote from ewire123;1131565:
"Still not the best", well depend on your definition of best. To be the absolute "best", of course you need reforge. Other skillset do it, so of course magic will have to do it.

Saying magic need to reforge everything to be primary is false, only on the weapon is good enough.

Well i don't reforge and puppetry is still faster than the magic shown in this video.

And all the reforges in the world can't make magic all that "Faster"

Why? Thunder has standby time, fireball has air time, ice spear has freeze times.
Kaeporo wrote on 2013-08-04 23:47

Quote from Aubog007;1131624:
Well i don't reforge and puppetry is still faster than the magic shown in this video.

And all the reforges in the world can't make magic all that "Faster"

Why? Thunder has standby time, fireball has air time, ice spear has freeze times.

Thunder's standby time is cut with Druid.

Why not combine both? Throw out a Fireball before using Climactic Crash to potentially wipe out two waves near instantly.
Tropa wrote on 2013-08-05 00:00

Quote from Aubog007;1131624:
Well i don't reforge and puppetry is still faster than the magic shown in this video.

And all the reforges in the world can't make magic all that "Faster"

Why? Thunder has standby time, fireball has air time, ice spear has freeze times.

This may be true, but Magic(Minus Icespear/Hailstorm) have longer range.
Slayerj wrote on 2013-08-05 00:07

Quote from Tropa;1131632:
This may be true, but Magic(Minus Icespear/Hailstorm) have longer range.

Not to mention that puppet can be very slow and clunky and there are several times where just getting knocked back makes the game flip out and disconnects you from your puppet even if you're right beside the damn thing. XD;

Puppet is lol powerful and fast but does have it's draw backs. Like when stuff roflstomps your puppet and you don't have a nimbus~
Magic...magic is...magic...is magic is magic is magic!....uncap meditation plox T,T
ewire123 wrote on 2013-08-05 00:16

Quote from Aubog007;1131624:
Well i don't reforge and puppetry is still faster than the magic shown in this video.

And all the reforges in the world can't make magic all that "Faster"

Why? Thunder has standby time, fireball has air time, ice spear has freeze times.

Like kae said, thunder standby got cut, you can still charge while fireball/ice spear is freezing to prepare for next waves.

Tell me how puppetry is fast with the cool down ? While magic have no cool down and deal more damage? I'm gonna drop puppetry for gunner anyway, better and quicker burst damage.

Magic is no longer slow and powerful, it is both quick and powerful now. Because ain't nobody got time for that. Guard cylinder and Merlin knuckle also allow quick hybrid with other skillset, and mobility is vastly improve because you can cast most magic skill while moving/moving after cast.
Aubog007 wrote on 2013-08-05 02:10

Quote from ewire123;1131636:
Like kae said, thunder standby got cut, you can still charge while fireball/ice spear is freezing to prepare for next waves.

Tell me how puppetry is fast with the cool down ? While magic have no cool down and deal more damage? I'm gonna drop puppetry for gunner anyway, better and quicker burst damage.

Magic is no longer slow and powerful, it is both quick and powerful now. Because ain't nobody got time for that. Guard cylinder and Merlin knuckle also allow quick hybrid with other skillset, and mobility is vastly improve because you can cast most magic skill while moving/moving after cast.

I was merely comparing with instant casting.
Without instant casting, puppet is supremely faster, and mobility wise, it is the same since you do move the same speed walking on the ground, unless i am missing something.

Puppet has 3 AOEs, and if you are doing HM, that's more than enough.

And gunner will do a lot lower damage than my puppets, which make it for a great secondary skillset.

That room that the guy showcased, I could have easily done it with basic bars at nearly 1.5 his speed, so don't anyone tell me magic is "faster".

The only obvious issue is the same issue that the mage had, Blinkers.
Syr wrote on 2013-08-05 03:50

Quote from Kaeporo;1131439:
[video=youtube;Wfv-xDTjKts]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfv-xDTjKts[/video]

Magic is looking pretty good.

I might even consider it to be a primary talent now without gross overspecialization.

I like what I see. Now I don't feel bad for spending so much AP in magic (though guns is another reason why I don't regret going mage/warrior toplel).

Quote from Slayerj;1131634:

Magic...magic is...magic...is magic is magic is magic!....uncap meditation plox T,T

While they're at it, uncap Mana Shield.
Froglord of DESTINY!!! wrote on 2013-08-05 08:41

In the future, everything will be stat based.

Higher costly reforges will give higher tier reforges that give %stats instead of direct values. The stat cap will be raised to 9999, elementals will be snuffed out because of a hypothetical elemental revamp that doesn't multiply damage by 11% per value, but by a multiplier divided by resistances.

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