[Guide] Basic Gunner Combat

• Kenero wrote on 2013-08-05 18:09

  Quote from Syr;1131910:

  Considering Far Away hits 4 times, that's quite logical xD
  
  At late-game guns, can Cross Buster rival Dropkick/Smash in damage? I notice the 800% damage increase at rank 1.

  
  
  Outside elemental reforges and such, yes it can rival the damage.
  
  They're quite similar in terms of damage when used against elemental immune enemies.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-08-06 13:24
  Added section 5 upon request.
• xtraspicy wrote on 2013-08-06 22:28
  Kenero, I'm sure that this question has been answered somewhere but I haven't been able to find it from searching, and thought that it would be appropriate to ask this question here: What non-gunner skills can be used with guns and how are they changed (if any)? This may or may not be something that you'd want to include with your guide, but I'd like to know just to satisfy my own curiosity; other than that, I'd probably figure out on my own when they come out.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-08-06 22:56

  Quote from xtraspicy;1132410:

  Kenero, I'm sure that this question has been answered somewhere but I haven't been able to find it from searching, and thought that it would be appropriate to ask this question here: What non-gunner skills can be used with guns and how are they changed (if any)? This may or may not be something that you'd want to include with your guide, but I'd like to know just to satisfy my own curiosity; other than that, I'd probably figure out on my own when they come out.

  
  
  Well, I won't count things that help indirectly (Str, HP, Stamina, Mana, Will, etc. from skills), but only combat skills that can be used with guns. Yes, I know Magic Mastery gives MP indirectly helps gunner, but let's go to the skills:
  
  You can use:
  
  

  
  
  • Defense
    
  • Counterattack
    
  • Windmill
    
  • Evasion
    
  • Assault Slash
    
  • Berserker
    
  • Shadow Bushin
    
  • Spider Shot
    
  • Magic Shields
    
  • All Bolt Spells (including healing, but does not include fusion bolt)
    

  
  
  
  What it does not include (though a lot of skills is obvious, like you can't use charging strike with guns, but here are some common ones people ask):
  
  You cannot use:
  
  

  
  
  • Smash
    
  • Charge (even shield-less Charge)
    
  • All Alchemy Skills
    
  • Any Ranged-based Attack (Spider Shot is the only one that works)
    

  
  
  
  Hope that helps
• xtraspicy wrote on 2013-08-06 23:06
  Yes, I was specifically thinking Active skills specifically... sorry for the confusion. Thanks a lot, this does help.
• Psy wrote on 2013-08-06 23:39
  Also, Counterattack is changed in that, it works the same but uses up two bullets per use. That being said, if you attempt to use Counterattack without any bullets, rather than attempting to reload like with gun skills, you will instead deal barehanded counterattack damage, rather than the damage of gun+bullets. As far as I know, no other skills were changed that are still usable.
• Robinhood wrote on 2013-08-07 02:05
  I had a feeling shieldless charge wouldn't work with guns since it doesn't with ranged. I still had a flicker of hope though. It has been extinguished!
• ewire123 wrote on 2013-08-07 02:22
  Can gun be use behind barrier spike?
• Kenero wrote on 2013-08-07 02:29

  Quote from ewire123;1132555:

  Can gun be use behind barrier spike?

  
  
  No, though strangely, you can use closer on barriers. Though normal attack does go through barriers, just not any skills.
  
  You can also use closer in provocation on the enemies on the OTHER side of the barriers, however you merely damage and stun them, you actually do not get inside.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-08-07 05:38
  So just like wire pull then.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-08-07 13:16
  Since guns are coming out today... should we do last minute tips? =)
• wildk wrote on 2013-08-07 13:42
  Not a pvp fan, but just in case some gunner pisses me off, any advice on pvp vs gunner?
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-07 13:42
  Yes please, including usefulness of gunner reforges!
• Milk wrote on 2013-08-07 13:48

  Quote from wildk;1132925:

  Not a pvp fan, but just in case some gunner pisses me off, any advice on pvp vs gunner?

  
  
  Stack Luck and Hope they miss. Oh wait the Luck changes wont come out for a long time so you are prob screwed. But charging strike is your best bet for closing gaps.
• wildk wrote on 2013-08-07 14:04

  Quote from Milk;1132929:

  Stack Luck and Hope they miss. Oh wait the Luck changes wont come out for a long time so you are prob screwed. But charging strike is your best bet for closing gaps.

  
  
  Same methods as pvp versus archers then I guess. Evasion should work on gunner skills consider it's still ranged