[Mabinogi] Zero Professor J Vate Update (Information Consolidated and Orginized)

• wildk wrote on 2013-09-11 05:19

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146764:

  Now, as to a kind of important question that I didn't see any answers to in the OP (And apologies if it is there and I missed it): Where do you get these guard cylinders from?

  
  
  You can buy the wooden one from NPCs while the metal Regis one is event only
• Tally wrote on 2013-09-11 05:20

  Quote from wildk;1146761:

  You're talking alchemy all wrong x.x If you're looking at alchemy you're looking at helping other players, which hydra is doing a fantastic job at by lowering magical def and prot and the rest of the alch skills doing what they do.
  
  Alchemy was never about DPS and I never hope it will

  
  
  At the same time, any alchemist looking to solo content would be sorely disappointed, and rightly frustrated, if they could not because they lacked damage. Buffing alchemist damage is a GOOD thing, therefore, if they cannot solo missions or dungeons that other classes, without significant reforge investment, now can.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-11 05:20

  Quote from wildk;1146766:

  You can buy the wooden one from NPCs while the metal Regis one is event only

  
  
  It doesn't come from a gacha or anything like that?
  
  Wow. B>Metal guard cylinder thingy.
• Tropa wrote on 2013-09-11 05:22

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146764:

  It kinda sounds like the lag you get when skills fail to go off but the cooldown resets, except in reverse. Could be a potentially useful tactic for laggy alchemists? ;o

  
  
  I wouldn't risk my blessings on it, it only happened to me once.
  
  

  Now, as to a kind of important question that I didn't see any answers to in the OP (And apologies if it is there and I missed it): Where do you get these guard cylinders from?

  
  
  Guard cylinders(wooden ones) are sold at all alchemy shops(including coupons too)
  Rebis Guard cylinders are from an event.
  
  Sorry, I should of listed that in the OP.
• Syliara wrote on 2013-09-11 05:25

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146769:

  It doesn't come from a gacha or anything like that?
  
  Wow. B>Metal guard cylinder thingy.

  
  
  Rebis came from hot time iirc in kr.... chances of it coming from hot time in NA: 0.00001%
  chances of us getting a gacha with it as a rare reward instead: 99.99%
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-09-11 05:27

  Quote from Tally;1146752:

  What you're assuming is a perfect AoE party. Puppeteer who can crisis the whole room, archer with reforged crash shot, etc. You don't always get the perfect party. Sometimes you don't even get a puppeteer to join your elite OA. Sometimes you get the guy who windmills everything away. Point is, these arguments are best case scenario. Not everyone has every skill at r1, and most people don't have the money for reforges. It also ignores that this skill would see a great use in boss fights, where it could see its full damage potential.

  I'm actually assuming solo; I typically solo missions and kill waves before hydra would be of any use so I would find it useful. You could say that not everyone has the stats/skills/equips that i have, but it's been established we're arguing about endgame which is what I have and beyond.
  
  
  

  Your argument also ignores the magic def/prot reduction, which is unprecedented, if I recall. This may not support the majority of the classes, but it certainly supports you and your mage friend. Assuming you are running a mission solo or going commercing/bandit hunting, this part especially will be a great help to you, because most, if not all, alchemic skills deal magic damage, if mana deflector is any indicator. The bleed damage is a bonus, of course. One that can amount to a large contribution over long fights.

  
  I did mention that it would be useful in MA. The point being that in most places it isn't necessary; as little time as it takes up to set up a hydra, it's wasted if you don't need it. I was thinking about future updates, but for the new dungeons the rooms are so big that hydra would miss most mobs. I'm sure MA isn't the only place where you could use this, such as certain bosses, but there isn't a great deal of content which can utilize it. This makes the skill situational, as much as I hate that word.
  
  

  I can see the argument, of course. Burst AoE is a such a large force in the game right now that it might appear hard to fit in everything else. But what has been discussed is situations where everything is optimized, but we are also talking about a game. The optimal way to play the game might not always be fun.

  
  I can't argue for what is and isn't fun, just what is effective and what isn't. There's nothing wrong with being ineffective (at least most the time), but it is what it is.
• wildk wrote on 2013-09-11 05:31

  Quote from Zekkii;1146775:

  I can't argue for what is and isn't fun, just what is effective and what isn't. There's nothing wrong with being ineffective (at least most the time), but it is what it is.

  
  
  Well here's another place I can see Hydra being pretty useful. In SS where you get overwhelmings amounts of spiders in dining hall, popping one up will make it easier for IS to chain and thus to clear.
  
  Quite frankly alchs aren't exactly designed for solo play, the buff gives them this ability to do so but it's still not that great, period.
• Syliara wrote on 2013-09-11 05:34

  Quote from wildk;1146777:

  Well here's another place I can see Hydra being pretty useful. In SS where you get overwhelmings amounts of spiders in dining hall, popping one up will make it easier for IS to chain and thus to clear.
  
  Quite frankly alchs aren't exactly designed for solo play, the buff gives them this ability to do so but it's still not that great, period.

  
  
  Idk, i might enjoy setting up a hydra and then afking and tabbing out to watch a youtube video or something :U
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-11 05:36

  Quote from Tropa;1146771:

  Guard cylinders(wooden ones) are sold at all alchemy shops(including coupons too)
  Rebis Guard cylinders are from an event.
  
  Sorry, I should of listed that in the OP.

  
  
  No problems, thanks very much.
  
  

  Quote from Pureblooded;1146774:

  Rebis came from hot time iirc in kr.... chances of it coming from hot time in NA: 0.00001%
  chances of us getting a gacha with it as a rare reward instead: 99.99%

  
  
  LOL
• Tropa wrote on 2013-09-11 05:37

  Quote from Pureblooded;1146779:

  Idk, i might enjoy setting up a hydra and then afking and tabbing out to watch a youtube video or something :U

  
  
  Raincast > hydra > play dead.
  
  Best way to do NPC arena, ever.
• Tally wrote on 2013-09-11 05:38

  Quote from Tropa;1146782:

  Raincast > hydra > play dead.
  
  Best way to do NPC arena, ever.

  
  
  I like this man's thinking. But how will you deal with the healers?
• Tally wrote on 2013-09-11 05:38

  Quote from Tropa;1146782:

  Raincast > hydra > play dead.
  
  Best way to do NPC arena, ever.

  
  
  I like this man's thinking. But how will you deal with the healers?
• Tropa wrote on 2013-09-11 05:39

  Quote from Tally;1146785:

  I like this man's thinking. But how will you deal with the healers?

  
  
  Hydra doesn't 'Hit' them, it just lowers their health.
• Syliara wrote on 2013-09-11 05:40

  Quote from Tally;1146785:

  I like this man's thinking. But how will you deal with the healers?

  
  
  Raincast kills mobs ai, no healing... They will just sit there and slowly die....
• Tally wrote on 2013-09-11 05:41

  Quote from Pureblooded;1146788:

  Raincast kills mobs ai, no healing... They will just sit there and slowly die....

  
  
  Right. Good catch.