[Mabinogi] Zero Professor J Vate Update (Information Consolidated and Orginized)

• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-11 02:44

  Quote from Slayerj;1146651:

  Judging from how often I've seen it spammed in some KR vids... I highly doubt he was being cereal with this post. :l

  
  
  People's reactions are kinda confusing me.
  
  I would have thought that this would have been a good skill due to passive DPS (meaning you can use it with other skillsets, I presume. If you can't then it takes away from the value of it immensely) and Magic def/prot reduction. That's why i was kinda upset about the 1 second -> 3 second tick, because I thought it would have been great.
  
  But now Tropa's saying it's crap, so I don't know what's going on. Am I missing something?
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-09-11 02:51

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146655:

  People's reactions are kinda confusing me.
  
  I would have thought that this would have been a good skill due to passive DPS (meaning you can use it with other skillsets, I presume. If you can't then it takes away from the value of it immensely) and Magic def/prot reduction. That's why i was kinda upset about the 1 second -> 3 second tick, because I thought it would have been great.
  
  But now Tropa's saying it's crap, so I don't know what's going on. Am I missing something?

  
  
  Puppetry is to Garchomp as Alchemy is to Gliscor.
  
  They're both OU tier but the latter isn't needed once the other starts to sweep late-game.
• Tropa wrote on 2013-09-11 02:51

  Quote from Slayerj;1146651:

  Judging from how often I've seen it spammed in some KR vids... I highly doubt he was being cereal with this post. :l

  
  
  I wasn't being cereal at all, I was just humoring Zekkii, since he does seems to know-it-all.
  
  But on a more serious note.
  Hydra holds alot of utility in missions and dungeons, what will I use it for? Multitasking of course!
  You can place one in a group of mobs in lets say... Lingering darkness? after dropping a hydra at a spawn you can run over to the next spawn while it kills everything.
  
  Hydra is a god sent for Offering missions/spawn points as well, since it doesn't knock back the gassed monsters.
  
  And it's nice enough to kill the monster's Magic Defense and Protection.
  
  

  Quote from Kaeporo;1146661:

  Puppetry is to Garchomp as Alchemy is to Gliscor.
  
  They're both OU tier but the latter isn't needed once the other starts to sweep late-game.

  
  
  +rep
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-09-11 02:51

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146655:

  People's reactions are kinda confusing me.
  
  I would have thought that this would have been a good skill due to passive DPS (meaning you can use it with other skillsets, I presume. If you can't then it takes away from the value of it immensely) and Magic def/prot reduction. That's why i was kinda upset about the 1 second -> 3 second tick, because I thought it would have been great.
  
  But now Tropa's saying it's crap, so I don't know what's going on. Am I missing something?

  
  
  Just take it as sarcasm. It's the only time so far he's said anything bad about it right? Besides, right after he said that whole "He said it's total crap so it must be right?"
  
  imo the skill is srsly fucking epic :l.... I don't think the person that said that has really seen it in action in KR vids, at least not yet.
  
  Though... Compared to how some skills just wreck everything in one shot, looking at the base info on it would make it seem like it is total crap when it's not.
• Uroboros wrote on 2013-09-11 02:51
  Wait, so if they don't remove the crystals from our inventory, cant we just synthesize them some more AFTER they do the update, with a higher ranked Synthesis? Or do they remove the crystal synthesizing too?
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-11 03:03

  Quote from Kaeporo;1146661:

  Puppetry is to Garchomp as Alchemy is to Gliscor.
  
  They're both OU tier but the latter isn't needed once the other starts to sweep late-game.

  
  
  This is a great analogy, but which metagame are you talking about? Are you talking about D/P/P or B/W? I haven't played B/W so i'd have to go review the smogon database on both because when I ragequit smogon, Garchomp got moved to ubers.
  
  EDIT: Or rather, I ragequit smogon BECAUSE they moved Garchomp to ubers after my opposition. >_>
  
  (Yes, serious question.)
  
  

  Quote from Slayerj;1146663:

  Just take it as sarcasm. It's the only time so far he's said anything bad about it right? Besides, right after he said that whole "He said it's total crap so it must be right?

  
  
  I don't know how to take it right after Zekkii said it was bad with a little analysis.
  
  Whether it's a good OR a bad skill, using the logic that "It's what the Koreans do" is kinda flawed, because the Koreans arn't perfect.
  
  Very nearly got me into trouble with egos.
  
  

  Quote from Tropa;1146662:

  But on a more serious note.
  Hydra holds alot of utility in missions and dungeons, what will I use it for? Multitasking of course!
  You can place one in a group of mobs in lets say... Lingering darkness? after dropping a hydra at a spawn you can run over to the next spawn while it kills everything.
  
  Hydra is a god sent for Offering missions/spawn points as well, since it doesn't knock back the gassed monsters.
  
  And it's nice enough to kill the monster's Magic Defense and Protection.

  
  
  So it's good, but utility?
• Tropa wrote on 2013-09-11 03:07

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146669:

  So it's good, but utility?

  
  
  Of course it's utility, you can't main hydra, it has a 1 minute cooldown time, but it's meant for killing things, but it'll never be a main-able skill.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-11 03:10

  Quote from Tropa;1146673:

  Of course it's utility, you can't main hydra, it has a 1 minute cooldown time, but it's meant for killing things, but it'll never be a main-able skill.

  
  
  Right.
  
  Also, does the mdef/prot reduction apply only while the mob is under hydra effects? If so, that's also a bit of a backpedal.
• Tropa wrote on 2013-09-11 03:11

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146677:

  Right.
  
  Also, does the mdef/prot reduction apply only while the mob is under hydra effects? If so, that's also a bit of a backpedal.

  
  
  I think it applies when the monster is hit once with the poison, not in the circle.
  
  but I could be wrong, but I'm hoping on the latter.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-11 03:13

  Quote from Tropa;1146680:

  I think it applies when the monster is hit once with the poison, not in the circle.

  
  
  All right, awesome. Any ideas on how long it lasts?
  
  Normally I don't like alchemy (no secret there) but since it's been announced i've always had an interested in hydra, this could be amazing if it lasts for a decent amount of time and it applies once the monster is hit.
• Tropa wrote on 2013-09-11 03:14

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146684:

  All right, awesome. Any ideas on how long it lasts?
  
  Normally I don't like alchemy (no secret there) but since it's been announced i've always had an interested in hydra, this could be amazing if it lasts for a decent amount of time and it applies once the monster is hit.

  
  
  It could be forever, but like I said, I'm not 100% sure, it'll be hard to test it.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-11 03:16

  Quote from Tropa;1146685:

  It could be forever, but like I said, I'm not 100% sure, it'll be hard to test it.

  
  
  Would be 100% worth it though. *_*
• Tropa wrote on 2013-09-11 03:18

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146687:

  Would be 100% worth it though. *_*

  
  
  It'll try to run tests when it hits NA, seeing that I'll be r1'ing with the other skills asap.
  
  I think it can be tested with something weak as icebolt.
  
  
  On that note... we don't even know the monster's new magic defenses.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-11 03:21

  Quote from Tropa;1146688:

  It'll try to run tests when it hits NA, seeing that I'll be r1'ing witht eh other skills asap.
  
  I think it can be tested with something weak as icebolt.
  
  
  On that note... we don't even know the monster's new magic defenses.

  
  
  I assume it'd be similar to physical for MOST mobs.
  
  Most interest i'm having with this is on MA finals and lords.
• Homin wrote on 2013-09-11 03:36

  Quote from Tropa;1146688:

  It'll try to run tests when it hits NA, seeing that I'll be r1'ing with the other skills asap.
  
  I think it can be tested with something weak as icebolt.
  
  
  On that note... we don't even know the monster's new magic defenses.

  
  
  Speaking of defenses, since they're adding defenses by STR stats. Did we really get hit lower?, or the mob hit harder too.
  
  And one thing, did the mob have their defenses increase too?? I'm really curious.