Hit a plateau with melee - not sure how to improve past this point

• Seox wrote on 2013-12-12 12:50

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1177733:

  Puppets are OP as heck so I think they are at top followed by archery and then lance melee. Although endgame magic is EXTREMELY good but very expensive AP and money wise (as well as needing tons of MP pots to use).

  
  
  Pretty much what I expected except for archery - where is non-lance melee at? What about fighter and guns?
  
  Thanks!
  
  

  Quote from SUNFLARE;1177734:

  Well will every 20 = 1 Crit While Luck every 5=1 Crit I would Focus on Finsihing Fighter for a Subset and crit and slowly getting more Str Mage also Eats alot ur CP Pupppets is more of a Class for People who Hybrid range and Melee

  
  
  Gotcha, thanks! I appreciate all of your help!
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2013-12-12 12:51

  Quote from Seox;1177735:

  Pretty much what I expected except for archery - where is non-lance melee at? What about fighter and guns?
  
  Thanks!

  Fighter Is Fast 1v1 Damage while Gunner is more Aoe Damage Depending on which skill you use but i Wouldnt Do gunner till your cap Str/Int or Near capped
  
  I would get 300Str/Dex Work on Puppets as a Skillset and for stats
• Seox wrote on 2013-12-12 12:53

  Quote from SUNFLARE;1177736:

  Fighter Is Fast 1v1 Damage while Gunner is more Aoe Damage Depending on which skill you use but i Wouldnt Do gunner till your cap Str/Int or Near capped
  
  I would get 300Str/Dex Work on Puppets as a Skillset and for stats

  
  
  I don't have too much of an interest in puppets, personally - it sounds like I might be better suited following through with the luck/will/str for now. Thanks for the advice on gunner :)
• SlurpTASTY wrote on 2013-12-12 12:55

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1177707:

  20k crit smashes is probably with a Lance. Also don't underestimate that 300 strength. 50-100 damage actually makes a huge difference believe it or not.
  
  Especially when you take Smash into consideration.
  
  Giant Smash - 600%
  Two-Handed Weapon - +20% Damage
  r1 Crit - +150% Damage
  
  300 Damage * 1.2 * 7 * 2.5 (r1 crit) = 6300 Smash
  400 Damage * 1.2 * 7 * 2.5 (r1 crit) = 8400 Smash
  
  Notice how that multiplied?
  
  Now what if we did r5 (red upgrade stones)
  300 Damage * 1.2 * 7 * 3.5 (r1 crit) = 8820 Smash
  400 Damage * 1.2 * 7 * 3.5 (r1 crit) = 11760 Smash
  
  Also they might also be being boosted by r1 Overature which can add an extra 30% to your damage which say you have 500 damage. That would boost it to 650 damage.
  
  Basically Red Upgrades are better than Blue Upgrades for melee providing you have the crit to back it up.

  The multiplier for an r5 weapon would just be x3 not x3.5
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2013-12-12 12:55

  Quote from Seox;1177738:

  I don't have too much of an interest in puppets, personally - it sounds like I might be better suited following through with the luck/will/str for now. Thanks for the advice on gunner :)

  I also Recommend it becuase it gives Decent Dex/StR and Will
• Seox wrote on 2013-12-12 12:56

  Quote from SUNFLARE;1177740:

  I also Recommend it becuase it gives Decent Dex/StR and Will

  
  
  Ah, hadn't considered the stats. I'll take a look at that, then.
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2013-12-12 12:58

  Quote from Seox;1177741:

  Ah, hadn't considered the stats. I'll take a look at that, then.

  Puppet Gives 43 Str and 86 Dex
• Seox wrote on 2013-12-12 13:00

  Quote from SUNFLARE;1177742:

  Puppet Gives 43 Str and 86 Dex

  
  
  That's not bad, but it seems like it'll be a lot of AP to cover all the skills, especially when I'm currently focused on the str. I might finish up a few of the skills with better str/ap ratios first, then. Didn't realize puppet gave as much str and dex as it does, though - thanks again!
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2013-12-12 13:02

  Quote from Seox;1177743:

  That's not bad, but it seems like it'll be a lot of AP to cover all the skills, especially when I'm currently focused on the str. I might finish up a few of the skills with better str/ap ratios first, then. Didn't realize puppet gave as much str and dex as it does, though - thanks again!

  
  Again this Link shows all Str/Dex Etc
  
  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Stats_and_Skills
  
  I can maybe help you make a Setup later tommrow its Late here
• Seox wrote on 2013-12-12 13:04

  Quote from SUNFLARE;1177746:

  Again this Link shows all Str/Dex Etc
  
  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Stats_and_Skills
  
  I can maybe help you make a Setup later tommrow its Late here

  
  
  I'd really appreciate that :) Have a good night, buddy!
• Ashikoki wrote on 2013-12-12 20:58
  I'll be moving this thread to the Questions and Help board.
• Seox wrote on 2013-12-12 22:13

  Quote from Ashikoki;1177902:

  I'll be moving this thread to the Questions and Help board.

  
  
  Got it, thanks! Sorry for the misplace; I misread the forum because I posted pretty late :P
• Syliara wrote on 2013-12-12 22:27

  Quote from SUNFLARE;1177734:

  Well will every 20 = 1 Crit While Luck every 5=1 Crit I would Focus on Finsihing Fighter for a Subset and crit and slowly getting more Str Mage also Eats alot ur CP Pupppets is more of a Class for People who Hybrid range and Melee

  
  
  10 will= 1 crit not 20.
  
  And OP do remember, reforges are heavily weighted in a lot of the skillsets in mabi. Puppetry will honestly net u the most dmg for least amount of money. Peraonally I find range better than puppets with better reforged gear but that's just me.
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2013-12-12 22:46

  Quote from Pureblooded;1177951:

  10 will= 1 crit not 20.
  
  And OP do remember, reforges are heavily weighted in a lot of the skillsets in mabi. Puppetry will honestly net u the most dmg for least amount of money. Peraonally I find range better than puppets with better reforged gear but that's just me.

  Wierd i could of swore one day will said 20=1 crit maybe someone was trolling
• Seox wrote on 2013-12-12 23:52

  Quote from Pureblooded;1177951:

  10 will= 1 crit not 20.
  
  And OP do remember, reforges are heavily weighted in a lot of the skillsets in mabi. Puppetry will honestly net u the most dmg for least amount of money. Peraonally I find range better than puppets with better reforged gear but that's just me.

  
  
  Gotcha - I've been working on my reforges as well. Thanks!