Hit a plateau with melee - not sure how to improve past this point

• ironwoman wrote on 2013-12-13 00:01

  Quote from SUNFLARE;1177736:

  
  I would get 300Str/Dex Work on Puppets as a Skillset and for stats

  
  
  I'd personally get 500 of each first, since the base damage at 300 str/dex will still be poor.
  
  

  Quote from Pureblooded;1177714:

  Current Human Total: 559 + 143(702) (Talent) + 30(732) (Grandmaster Warrior) Strength
  
  Capped human str at level 1/1 with no age bonus... 1k str isn't unreasonable but maybe I should lower that to 800 (talking leveled up btw...)

  
  
  Personally, I wouldn't consider 800 end game str, since even players like me have it.
  I'd place it at "advanced", but that's just me.
  
  It is possible to reach 1k str, provided that you get help from gear. Champion ES, artisan upgrades, maiz prairie title (if you're using conceptual), and 1k becomes pretty easy to get if you have Lich Crocodile weapon. Even easier if you're using Stout EQ accs.
  
  As for the OP, just focus on your melee and dex. I'd consider these two the most important stats.
  
  For puppets, remember that it's not your constant damage. Those skills have longer cooldown. Like pureblood said, I find range better because you can do consistent high damage with it.
• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2013-12-13 00:08
  Hi Seox!
  
  Can you please tell me what resources you have at your disposal, e.g., how much gold you're willing to invest in enchants/reforges, total AP, NX monthly budget (if any)? This would help steer myself and other posters in constructive advice tailored for your personal situation, thanks!
• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2013-12-13 00:08
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• Seox wrote on 2013-12-13 04:36

  Quote from ironwoman;1177993:

  I'd personally get 500 of each first, since the base damage at 300 str/dex will still be poor.
  
  
  
  Personally, I wouldn't consider 800 end game str, since even players like me have it.
  I'd place it at "advanced", but that's just me.
  
  It is possible to reach 1k str, provided that you get help from gear. Champion ES, artisan upgrades, maiz prairie title (if you're using conceptual), and 1k becomes pretty easy to get if you have Lich Crocodile weapon. Even easier if you're using Stout EQ accs.
  
  As for the OP, just focus on your melee and dex. I'd consider these two the most important stats.
  
  For puppets, remember that it's not your constant damage. Those skills have longer cooldown. Like pureblood said, I find range better because you can do consistent high damage with it.

  
  
  Got it, thanks! I'll work on those, then.
  
  

  Quote from Yuuki Asuna;1177995:

  Hi Seox!
  
  Can you please tell me what resources you have at your disposal, e.g., how much gold you're willing to invest in enchants/reforges, total AP, NX monthly budget (if any)? This would help steer myself and other posters in constructive advice tailored for your personal situation, thanks!

  
  
  Meh, I'll do what I have to do as far as gold, but I'm obviously most interested in the best cost/value for the moment. Don't have any AP atm as I'm working on ranking battlefield overture for the immediate benefit to myself and friends, then I'll be doing str skills. I can earn up to a few (4/5ish) million over the course of a few weeks/month or so.
  
  I'm very against spending any more on NX after a recent streak of bad luck and the fact that I can drop $20 on the game and come out with absolutely nothing that I'm happy with with over 80% of the items that are worthwhile in the cash shop. I might not mind picking up an RB or two but refuse to play with RNGesus anymore.
  
  Hope that helps, and thank you!
• ironwoman wrote on 2013-12-13 05:52
  If reforging isn't your thing (or spending tons of money), there are other options.
  One is puppetry. I know I already said it's not a constant damage skillset, but you don't need godly equip to do damage.
  Another one would be magic. Intelligence is probably the highest stat you could achieve, and good thing about maging is that the mage set doesn't do that much for magic, so you could synergize with other class as well. Consider doing puppet and mage at the same time for combos like crisis + blazee, or crisis + insta fireball. Also, firebolt's good damage, but it has its plateau.
  Another great set would be gunner. For this, you'd need to invest in strength again, but it's a skillset that doesn't necessarily require large amount of NX. It also synergizes well with other classes in general.
  
  Fighter is also a decent option, but without reforges, your damage is most likely meh without battlefield overture.
• Seox wrote on 2013-12-13 06:25

  Quote from ironwoman;1178106:

  If reforging isn't your thing (or spending tons of money), there are other options.
  One is puppetry. I know I already said it's not a constant damage skillset, but you don't need godly equip to do damage.
  Another one would be magic. Intelligence is probably the highest stat you could achieve, and good thing about maging is that the mage set doesn't do that much for magic, so you could synergize with other class as well. Consider doing puppet and mage at the same time for combos like crisis + blazee, or crisis + insta fireball. Also, firebolt's good damage, but it has its plateau.
  Another great set would be gunner. For this, you'd need to invest in strength again, but it's a skillset that doesn't necessarily require large amount of NX. It also synergizes well with other classes in general.
  
  Fighter is also a decent option, but without reforges, your damage is most likely meh without battlefield overture.

  
  
  It sounds like basic melee is one of the skillsets that require a large amount of reforges/NX, if I'm hearing you correctly.
  
  I actually really like guns now that I've had the chance to play with them, and even base, without a really solid pair, I'm fighting pretty well with them. Why is it that they're not so NX dependent?
  
  If I wanted to work on guns, should I keep working on the strength now or focus on ranking the actual skills? Seems like ranking the skills themselves would do more for me for the AP for now, right?
  
  Thanks again for the help :)
• alwmiioktm wrote on 2013-12-13 06:54

  Quote from Seox;1178116:

  It sounds like basic melee is one of the skillsets that require a large amount of reforges/NX, if I'm hearing you correctly.
  
  I actually really like guns now that I've had the chance to play with them, and even base, without a really solid pair, I'm fighting pretty well with them. Why is it that they're not so NX dependent?
  
  If I wanted to work on guns, should I keep working on the strength now or focus on ranking the actual skills? Seems like ranking the skills themselves would do more for me for the AP for now, right?
  
  Thanks again for the help :)

  
  At this point, it seems like you've got a lot of decisions to make xD. DEFINITELY, do strength skills asap since it helps your warrior (puppet later?) and guns. Then after that, whatever you're feeling. Personally, I'd recommend fighter for the crit and also to have nice synergy with melee. Fighter+ Lance is one of my personal favorite hybrids and is highly effective in most situations. And as someone said before, it would be stupid to not pick up lance. Perhaps set a goal for yourself statwise? That's how I know I'm moving in the right direction.
• Seox wrote on 2013-12-13 07:07

  Quote from alwmiioktm;1178128:

  At this point, it seems like you've got a lot of decisions to make xD. DEFINITELY, do strength skills asap since it helps your warrior (puppet later?) and guns. Then after that, whatever you're feeling. Personally, I'd recommend fighter for the crit and also to have nice synergy with melee. Fighter+ Lance is one of my personal favorite hybrids and is highly effective in most situations. And as someone said before, it would be stupid to not pick up lance. Perhaps set a goal for yourself statwise? That's how I know I'm moving in the right direction.

  
  
  Gotcha, I'll keep this in mind! Thank you!
• ironwoman wrote on 2013-12-13 07:26

  Quote from Seox;1178116:

  It sounds like basic melee is one of the skillsets that require a large amount of reforges/NX, if I'm hearing you correctly.
  
  I actually really like guns now that I've had the chance to play with them, and even base, without a really solid pair, I'm fighting pretty well with them. Why is it that they're not so NX dependent?
  
  If I wanted to work on guns, should I keep working on the strength now or focus on ranking the actual skills? Seems like ranking the skills themselves would do more for me for the AP for now, right?
  
  Thanks again for the help :)

  
  
  Guns usually don't require large amount of NX to do damage because it already has good skill multiplier, and the same goes for puppet.
  However, at the end, well-reforged melee or range will outdamage it unless guns or puppets are reforged as well. At the end, they both do good damage with reforges, but melee and range will do more in general. It's just that puppet and guns have better base.
  
  And yes, you should raise your str if you wanna touch guns. Gun's damage is increased by str and int.
  
  Here's an interesting case: in KR, situation's different. People still use melee and range much more than the NA users here. They do a better job of p2w, and elemental reforged guns still exist. Hence why puppet is so great in NA compared to KR, and gunner not being as good (because we don't have any reported elemental reforge on guns).
  
  Just do take it into account that puppet and gunner will fall off at the end without solid weapons in other classes.
• Seox wrote on 2013-12-13 07:38

  Quote from ironwoman;1178145:

  Guns usually don't require large amount of NX to do damage because it already has good skill multiplier, and the same goes for puppet.
  However, at the end, well-reforged melee or range will outdamage it unless guns or puppets are reforged as well. At the end, they both do good damage with reforges, but melee and range will do more in general. It's just that puppet and guns have better base.
  
  And yes, you should raise your str if you wanna touch guns. Gun's damage is increased by str and int.
  
  Here's an interesting case: in KR, situation's different. People still use melee and range much more than the NA users here. They do a better job of p2w, and elemental reforged guns still exist. Hence why puppet is so great in NA compared to KR, and gunner not being as good (because we don't have any reported elemental reforge on guns).
  
  Just do take it into account that puppet and gunner will fall off at the end without solid weapons in other classes.

  
  
  Got it! Thank you; Very informative and helpful :) I found them a bit difficult to use at first but have adapted rather quickly and really like the playstyle, so it's good to hear that they might be easier to get into with respect to reforges. Didn't know we didn't have elemental reforges for them and that the roles were reversed in KR either - interesting!