Weapon of choice for new melee/mage hybrid

• ironwoman wrote on 2014-01-20 05:54

  Quote from ragnaex;1189641:

  Meh, I'm not a fighter :c
  
  Guys, one last question:
  The damage bonus from str I get from, like, a battle sword's artisan upgrade, is applied to both swords if dual wielding?
  It says so in the wiki, but I just want to make sure.
  
  Because, if it's true, the str bonus from a sword is actually doubled?
  
  So my true question is: 75 str from the artisan's would be +30 damage. But in the end, it would be +60 damage, if I'm dual wielding swords?

  
  
  Yes artisan stacks, and battles currently have the highest character screen damage besides beam swords.
  If you were to account that into dual wielding equation for skills, there's minimal difference between falcata and battle sword.
• ragnaex wrote on 2014-01-20 06:11

  Quote from ironwoman;1189646:

  Yes artisan stacks, and battles currently have the highest character screen damage besides beam swords.
  If you were to account that into dual wielding equation for skills, there's minimal difference between falcata and battle sword.

  
  
  This means that, even with the "double" damage from str, it just counts once for skill equation? So there's not a real gap between an artisan's battle sword and a falcata?
  
  EDIT: Btw, does the +luk from artisan's makes crit stack, like a stiff tail cap?
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-01-20 06:34

  Quote from ragnaex;1189650:

  This means that, even with the "double" damage from str, it just counts once for skill equation? So there's not a real gap between an artisan's battle sword and a falcata?
  
  EDIT: Btw, does the +luk from artisan's makes crit stack, like a stiff tail cap?

  
  
  Yes, the luck stacks as well, although crit isn't really a thing to look at nowadays.
  From Wiki:
  

  Quote from Wiki:

  The formula is calculated as: [(Base Damage) + (First Weapon Damage) + (Second Weapon Damage)] * (% Damage Multiplier of Skill).

  
  The weapon damage is the damage shown on your weapon, not your artisan upgrade. A battle sword with Nery's strengthening start would have 50 damage byitself, so that's the damage you use for that value. As for base damage, you can add 60 to that since artisan upgrade would add stats to that value. So you'd get the damage value of 160. This is assuming you get shop grade battles.
  For falcata, assuming that you get the ones pooped out from gacha, you will get 80 for weapon damage values but nothing added to base damage (since you don't use artisan on falcatas), meaning you get 160 as well.
  Crafted pair of battles will beat falcatas by around 8, so not really that much difference. If you're concerned about your budget, battle sword will be the way to go (cheap to get).
• ragnaex wrote on 2014-01-20 06:47
  Why won't I care about crits, smash isn't used much?
  
  Man, you are a lifesaver, I was about to throw away all my falcatas lol, and get double fully rolled artisan's battle swords, but as the damage difference is not that big, there's no real need.
  
  So I see there's not much damage left I can get from my weapons. So, any advice to what I should aim for greater damage?
  Maybe... +max damage in the rest of my equipments? I see now that str doesn't stack for windmill. But does +damage enchants, like color ES, stack?
  I've heard they add to both weapons, if they are not enchanted on the weapon itself.
• Syliara wrote on 2014-01-20 06:51

  Quote from ragnaex;1189663:

  Why won't I care about crits, smash isn't used much?
  
  Man, you are a lifesaver, I was about to throw away all my falcatas lol, and get double fully rolled artisan's battle swords, but as the damage difference is not that big, there's no real need.
  
  So I see there's not much damage left I can get from my weapons. So, any advice to what I should aim for greater damage?
  Maybe... +max damage in the rest of my equipments? I see now that str doesn't stack for windmill. But does +damage enchants, like color ES, stack?
  I've heard they add to both weapons, if they are not enchanted on the weapon itself.

  
  
  He means that critical rate isnt that hard to come by at a certain point in the game. For instance im always sitting at 150% critical without even trying. So dont worry too much about trying to get critical, it will come with time while you are getting enchants/ranking skills.
• ragnaex wrote on 2014-01-20 21:14

  Quote from Nui;1189665:

  He means that critical rate isnt that hard to come by at a certain point in the game. For instance im always sitting at 150% critical without even trying. So dont worry too much about trying to get critical, it will come with time while you are getting enchants/ranking skills.

  
  
  That's a relief lol, it's being hard to get damage es, imagine crit ones.
  
  And for my other question, does +damage es from my other stuff stack for each sword, meaning double damage gain, for windmill/smash damage?
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-01-21 01:46

  Quote from ragnaex;1189826:

  That's a relief lol, it's being hard to get damage es, imagine crit ones.
  
  And for my other question, does +damage es from my other stuff stack for each sword, meaning double damage gain, for windmill/smash damage?

  
  
  Yes, because the damage would stack on the weapon damage.
• Osu wrote on 2014-01-22 01:40

  Quote from ragnaex;1189641:

  Meh, I'm not a fighter :c
  
  Guys, one last question:
  The damage bonus from str I get from, like, a battle sword's artisan upgrade, is applied to both swords if dual wielding?
  It says so in the wiki, but I just want to make sure.
  
  Because, if it's true, the str bonus from a sword is actually doubled?
  
  So my true question is: 75 str from the artisan's would be +30 damage. But in the end, it would be +60 damage, if I'm dual wielding swords?

  
  This was a common misconception in arguing how good those swords were a while back.
  This str bonus is only significantly stronger in your normal swings, and using skills would still bring out the exact same +30 to each sword damage-wise.
  To answer your question directly, yes, it would mean you get 60 more damage if you get all the str on both of them, but it's still like holding two swords with about 80ish max, it doesn't make them too much different until you swing a single sword and get all the str bonus in one blow.
  The sad thing is that a normal swing is a negligible factor.
  
  Though~ the luck stacking is a very good thing too, and is actually very significant, because since it's purely stat related, you won't be averaging in that extra crit per sword, and instead get the full blunt of it. And more crit is always welcome. :D
• xXCronoXx wrote on 2014-01-23 15:48
  Id Also Like to ask a question about this Topic. At the Moment Im Using Two Focused red Beam Swords and i Wanted to Know if i should keep them or go for another dual wield swords. Also In Terms Of Mage Weapons I Have Mana Needle Trustworty Crystal Lightning Wand With Artisan Int 53 And I wanted to Know if this is how I should Have my Mage Weapons Formed
  
  Lightning(BoltFusion)/Thunder-My Lightning Wand
  Icebolt(BoltFusion)/IceSpear-Savage Ice Wand( Mine Has MATT+4 dont know if thats good or not)
  FireBolt(BoltFusion)FireBall- Not Sure Which Wand I should go with on this.
  
  Also I have a Hermit Staff Sadly No MATT came with it but 28 Dura. Any Suggestions[/COLOR]
• Syliara wrote on 2014-01-23 17:21

  Quote from xXCronoXx;1190813:

  Id Also Like to ask a question about this Topic. At the Moment Im Using Two Focused red Beam Swords and i Wanted to Know if i should keep them or go for another dual wield swords. Also In Terms Of Mage Weapons I Have Mana Needle Trustworty Crystal Lightning Wand With Artisan Int 53 And I wanted to Know if this is how I should Have my Mage Weapons Formed
  
  Lightning(BoltFusion)/Thunder-My Lightning Wand
  Icebolt(BoltFusion)/IceSpear-Savage Ice Wand( Mine Has MATT+4 dont know if thats good or not)
  FireBolt(BoltFusion)FireBall- Not Sure Which Wand I should go with on this.
  
  Also I have a Hermit Staff Sadly No MATT came with it but 28 Dura. Any Suggestions[/COLOR]

  
  
  Honestly you shouldn't be using dual wield because it pales in comparison to lances and hlc. I would throw those beams away and grab a r1 hlc and try to reforge for elemental 6.
  
  In the end you should use a savage ice/fire/lightning wand. Honestly I wouldn't worry about bolts usage besides fireball because the bulk of your mage dmg will come from int magic. Basically get fire ball thunder and ice spear if you haven't already and rank up blaze and fire bolt and fire mastery/magic weapon mastery and you can do quite well with magic.
• xXCronoXx wrote on 2014-01-23 17:32
  So Early Game for Magic I wouldnt Really need to To Max the other bolts just firebolt Alright. And By HLC do u mean Highlander Claymore If so Arent there better 2h than it? and tbh im not really familiar with Lances NOr do they look cool to me lol.
• Syliara wrote on 2014-01-23 17:41

  Quote from xXCronoXx;1190853:

  So Early Game for Magic I wouldnt Really need to To Max the other bolts just firebolt Alright. And By HLC do u mean Highlander Claymore If so Arent there better 2h than it? and tbh im not really familiar with Lances NOr do they look cool to me lol.

  
  
  Yes highlander claymore. There are slightly higher max ones, but cost efficiency wise hlc is king because it came r1 from a ton of gachas so its alot cheaper to reforge. Lances have the piercing stat that drastically increases their dmg against end game mobs. 2 handed swords will come in 2nd if your really adamant about not using lance but I highly reccomend u do use them.
• xXCronoXx wrote on 2014-01-23 17:47
  Well Suppose I do Lances which would u recommend and why?
• Syliara wrote on 2014-01-23 17:49

  Quote from xXCronoXx;1190875:

  Well Suppose I do Lances which would u recommend and why?

  
  
  A good cheap one would be knight lance. If your really serious eventually a langhuris bone breaker.
• xXCronoXx wrote on 2014-01-23 17:50
  Also What upgrade path would be best for the HLC and...err....I've Never Done Reforging Nor Do i Know anything of it but i keep hearing how important it is.