Raids and you

• Zekkii wrote on 2014-01-22 03:07

  Quote from Kazusa Touma;1190215:

  i'm finding it hard to believe you on the dyes.. when i was on alexina last week, there were a bunch in multiple shops for 150-160 and they weren't even selling quickly, so uh yeah idk
  
  i'm talking about regular dyes, not fixed btw
  
  anyway, the point is, if a guild of, say 15 people, have the ability to do this making gold at a rate of 1m/hr, and consistently does this, for say.. 4 hours a day for a week, that would be over 400m in about a week's time, or about 55m in a day
  
  that's 400m of gold being spawned, not just circulated, but SPAWNED and then circulated within the economy per week... and that's only 15 people doing it for 4 hours a day

  
  That's not the point at all. If I was making 500m an hour and did nothing but grind for 16 hours a day I could make 56 billion every week, just being one person. However I can't, and I wouldn't. The conflict SM isn't a secret, it doesn't make 1m/hour, and there are very few people who do it and even fewer can actually do it efficiently. Most of the inflation in all of the servers has been caused by recent gachas spitting out thousands of shadow and rain crystals which do not drain gold, but produce what is literally billions of it. That is the brutal truth.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-01-22 03:14
  Spamming conflict would generate a conflict of interest for me.
  
  
  I am lazy, there's nothing to do, so AFK works for me.
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2014-01-22 03:28

  Quote from Zekkii;1190221:

  That's not the point at all. If I was making 500m an hour and did nothing but grind for 16 hours a day I could make 56 billion every week, just being one person. However I can't, and I wouldn't. The conflict SM isn't a secret, it doesn't make 1m/hour, and there are very few people who do it and even fewer can actually do it efficiently. Most of the inflation in all of the servers has been caused by recent gachas spitting out thousands of shadow and rain crystals which do not drain gold, but produce what is literally billions of it. That is the brutal truth.

  
  
  wat r rain crystals
  
  actually, it does in fact make 1m/hr assuming you have the stats and reforges to back it up... the people who discovered this method complete this mission in about 30-40 secs per run, so it's safe to assume maybe 50 secs a run in and out.. and about 20k a run per person?
  
  i agree that there are only a few people who can do it at that rate of efficiency, and fewer who would be willing to do it, but i do think your server has a lot more of those types of people than us.
  
  and if you admit that shadow crystals are contributing to this inflation, then you're essentially saying more ppl doing this would cause inflation too because people also buy and hoard shadow crystals specifically for spamming this mission
  
  so while a bunch of people doing this isn't going to singlehandedly cause all the inflation on the server, it is going to contribute to it, and shadow crystals are only going to contribute to that too
  
  
  

  Quote from Zekkii;1190221:

  If I was making 500m an hour and did nothing but grind for 16 hours a day I could make 56 billion every week, just being one person. However I can't, and I wouldn't.

  
  
  i'm not sure if this has anything to do with... anything
  
  500m an hour and 1m an hour are quite different.. there's this thing called decreasing marginal utility
  
  and just because it's not a secret doesn't mean i'm obligated to share it? i never said it was a secret in the first place.. in fact, i even told you guys that it was posted publicly
  
  anyway, since it's not a secret and has been a known method, you shouldn't have had to ask what the method was in the first place now, would you?
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-01-22 03:30
  That's a lot of damage in that amount of time.
  
  
  Honestly, you shouldn't be hurting on money if you have the gear for it already.
  I know i am not hurting on money, money is so painfully easy to get in this game
• Zekkii wrote on 2014-01-22 04:21
  @Kazusa
  
  *raid crystals
  
  -30~40 seconds is nigh impossible, let alone repeatable. I could do BT2 in 2 minutes as frequently
  -loading tail twice, dumping gold, maintaining weapons, maintaining a party, and getting the mission every time takes much much longer than 10 seconds per run. especially when you are only as fast as the slowest party member
  -FC2 is a far better mission for shadow crystals because of the lower investment per gold, using crystals on Conflict is essentially throwing money away because the return is lower than the investment
  -"there's this thing called decreasing marginal utility" - I don't think you quite understand the words you speak, if you're saying gold is less useful the more you get then you would be right but it has absolutely nothing to do with what I said
  -you said you had a method to obtain 800k~1.5m per hour and the result for conflict spam. I could say I know how to make 500m per hour and have you guess what it is only to say shadow warrior basic spam, but it wouldn't mean you were an idiot for not guessing it, I would just be wrong
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2014-01-22 04:28

  Quote from Zekkii;1190272:

  @Kazusa
  
  *raid crystals
  
  -30~40 seconds is nigh impossible, let alone repeatable. I could do BT2 in 2 minutes as frequently
  -loading tail twice, dumping gold, maintaining weapons, maintaining a party, and getting the mission every time takes much much longer than 10 seconds per run. especially when you are only as fast as the slowest party member
  -FC2 is a far better mission for shadow crystals because of the lower investment per gold, using crystals on Conflict is essentially throwing money away because the return is lower than the investment
  -"there's this thing called decreasing marginal utility" - I don't think you quite understand the words you speak, if you're saying gold is less useful the more you get then you would be right but it has absolutely nothing to do with what I said
  -you said you had a method to obtain 800k~1.5m per hour and the result for conflict spam. I could say I know how to make 500m per hour and have you guess what it is only to say shadow warrior basic spam, but it wouldn't mean you were an idiot for not guessing it, I would just be wrong

  
  
  sorry you think 30-40 secs is impossible, but it's really not, you can ask the people who do this yourself..
  
  i could probably even record it for you if it weren't for the fact that' i'd be taking up a high dpsers spot and slowing them down in the first place, i've been with these guys on 50 sec runs (where i basically just give them bard boost before entry and spend half the time of the mission loading), so uhhh yeah, i don't seriously run this shit because i'd rather, well, afk
  
  just because you don't think it can be done doesn't mean it can't be done, just because you think i'm wrong for saying 1m/hr doesn't mean it is
  
  even slurp's got 600-800 an hour, what makes u think it's impossible with a more powerful party
  
  sry but my guild is laffin at u rite nao 4 sayin it's "impossible" lol
• Natteke wrote on 2014-01-22 04:35

  30~40 seconds is nigh impossible, let alone repeatable. I could do BT2 in 2 minutes as frequently

  
  It is possible, honestly at first it was 1:30 but now is between 50-1min and when we crit is 30-40secs easy
  
  with potents it's like 3.5m/hr and a shitton of red ugs + exp
• Zekkii wrote on 2014-01-22 04:42
  You're just making the same claims over and over, with no evidence to back it up. I've heard claims just like this one before, most notably making millions in a couple hours through hot-air ballooning or rafting. You can make a lot of money through Conflict, and I will accept 600~800k per hour, but not 800k~1.5m per hour. You have no basis to make these claims unless you've explicitly done it and recorded it.
  
  

  Quote from Natteke;1190277:

  It is possible, honestly at first it was 1:30 but now is between 50-1min and when we crit is 30-40secs easy
  
  with potents it's like 3.5m/hr and a shitton of red ugs + exp

  
  Potent cost on Alexina is 70~80k, and the mission reward is 14.7k making a yield of 52.92k for a net loss of 17.08~18.08k + taxes involved per crystal used. Given your gold is multiplied by 4.6, that gives a gold rate of 760k per hour at most.
• Natteke wrote on 2014-01-22 04:44

  Quote from Zekkii;1190280:

  You're just making the same claims over and over, with no evidence to back it up. I've heard claims just like this one before, most notably making millions in a couple hours through hot-air ballooning or rafting. You can make a lot of money through Conflict, and I will accept 600~800k per hour, but not 800k~1.5m per hour. You have no basis to make these claims unless you've explicitly done it and recorded it.

  
  want me to record it, screenshot it, time stamp it?
  
  per hour i can make 3.5m easy, and if you want i can show you.
• Zekkii wrote on 2014-01-22 04:47

  Quote from Natteke;1190281:

  want me to record it, screenshot it, time stamp it?
  
  per hour i can make 3.5m easy, and if you want i can show you.

  
  Go nuts, 30 minutes should do.
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2014-01-22 04:48

  Quote from Zekkii;1190280:

  You're just making the same claims over and over, with no evidence to back it up. I've heard claims just like this one before, most notably making millions in a couple hours through hot-air ballooning or rafting. You can make a lot of money through Conflict, and I will accept 600~800k per hour, but not 800k~1.5m per hour. You have no basis to make these claims unless you've explicitly done it and recorded it.
  
  
  Potent cost on Alexina is 70~80k, and the mission reward is 14.7k making a yield of 52.92k for a net loss of 17.08~18.08k + taxes involved per crystal used. Given your gold is multiplied by 4.6, that gives a gold rate of 760k per hour at most.

  
  
  considering that these guys buy potents for like 15-20k ea, pretty sure it ain't a net loss
  
  i asked him to film it 4 u at 30-40 secs, dw, just b patient ;)
  
  and basically u r saying that there ain't no party stronger than slurp's amirite?
• Natteke wrote on 2014-01-22 04:51

  Quote from Kazusa Touma;1190285:

  considering that these guys buy potents for like 15-20k ea, pretty sure it ain't a net loss
  
  i asked him to film it 4 u at 30-40 secs, dw, just b patient ;)
  
  and basically u r saying that there ain't no party stronger than slurp's amirite?

  
  who u go wit :(? lemme have rey pls
  
  

  Potent cost on Alexina is 70~80k, and the mission reward is 14.7k making a yield of 52.92k for a net loss of 17.08~18.08k + taxes involved per crystal used. Given your gold is multiplied by 4.6, that gives a gold rate of 760k per hour at most.

  
  You are silly, in Ruairi they *were* 10-15k and i bought them all potents fine/Finest 58k/67k per minute
  
  do the math, you'll see.
• Zekkii wrote on 2014-01-22 04:53

  Quote from Kazusa Touma;1190285:

  considering that these guys buy potents for like 15-20k ea, pretty sure it ain't a net loss
  
  i asked him to film it 4 u at 30-40 secs, dw, just b patient ;)
  
  and basically u r saying that there ain't no party stronger than slurp's amirite?

  
  It has to be at least 30 minutes, otherwise you're really not providing much other than a speed run. I can show you a BT2 run in 1:45 but it doesn't mean I can do BT2 34 times per hour.
  

  Quote from Natteke;1190286:

  who u go wit :(? lemme have rey pls
  
  
  You are silly, in Ruairi they *were* 10-15k and i bought them all potents fine/Finest 58k/67k per minute
  
  do the math, you'll see.

  First off the crystals don't matter, I just sold all mine for 80k each and I didn't need to do squat. If they're really that cheap on Ruairi right not then great, but that's not 800k~1.5m without crystals. Explicitly the 1.5m.
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2014-01-22 04:54

  Quote from Natteke;1190286:

  who u go wit :(? lemme have rey pls

  
  
  nah i asked jose 2 film it LOL
  
  i'd just slo ppl down and i dont like doin shet on mabi anyway
  
  that's y i'm so sad i missed out on 20 training seals T_T
• Reyaxris wrote on 2014-01-22 04:54

  Quote from Natteke;1190286:

  who u go wit :(? lemme have rey pls
  
  
  You are silly, in Ruairi they *were* 10-15k and i bought them all potents fine/Finest 58k/67k per minute
  
  do the math, you'll see.

  
  
  Then I raised the prices by accident. And I still don't get why people need to prove this... If people in other servers are that incompetent then... real terror.