[Equipment] Let's Settle This Once and For All

• Chaos' wrote on 2014-01-28 03:34
  Why havnt anyone done low-mid-high tier set yet? All master sets so far ... anyone to repeat and format nicely
  
  Low Tier [Neglect the reforge]
  One-Hand
  250 Fox Spike Fomor Gladius
  Lance
  226 Lizard Giant Fomor Physis Wooden Lance / 248 Lizard Giant Knight Lance
  2-Hand
  315 or 295 Fox Giant HLC
  Bow
  190 Sacrifical Skilled Fomor
  Hat
  Stiff Giant Tail Cap
  Boots/Greaves
  Fox Giant Graves
  
  Mid Tier
  One-Hand
  222 Goddess Caliburn Broadsword [Smithed] ; Any combat base Reforge
  Lance
  254 Untamed Violent Fomor Lion Claw Lance ; Decent Artisan roll ; ele 2
  2-Hand
  315 or 295 Untamed Violent HLC ; Decent Artisan roll if applied ; ele 2
  Bow
  190 Lizard Hoodlum [12+ max roll] Fomor LLB ; Range base Reforge/Ele 2
  Hat
  Fox, Quartz, Corundum [Max roll] Delusional tork cap
  Heavy Armor
  210 Special/Extraordinary Imp/Flash Thames Plate Armor [Melee]
  
  cant think of anything will edit ...
• Syliara wrote on 2014-01-28 03:49

  Quote from Chaos';1192336:

  Why havnt anyone done low-mid-high tier set yet? All master sets so far ... anyone to repeat and format nicely

  
  
  Because wat is considered costly or good is subjective to the person's budget and how much they are willing to put into their gear. I am refraining from posting what I feel is mid tier because I will probably have people yelling at me that it isnt and that my standards are too high when this is all just subjective to my own budget and wat i feel falls under decent.
• Zekkii wrote on 2014-01-28 03:55
  People aren't going to agree at all, no matter what. Some people prefer Red upgraded magic weapons, or Blue upgraded knuckles. Some people prefer Magnum reforge over Crash Shot, or use R5 Demonic Illusion Control Bars while others use Jeweled or even Basic Control Bars. A lot of people use hybrid sets, focusing on Max Damage instead of Dex/Str/Puppet Max or so forth.
• nana wrote on 2014-01-28 04:26

  Quote from Nui;1192286:

  Doesn't really matter for accessories. Max attack power for most things will be ideal over skill specific reforges because its more versatile.

  
  you feel that way, fine. I prefer the other.
  
  
  

  Quote from Xeno;1192303:

  Do you have a source on this? Can anyone else confirm?

  
  [video=youtube;XrlqlTGH0MU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrlqlTGH0MU[/video]
  please excuse my poor english.
  
  
  

  Quote from Kyubey;1192309:

  you can just reforge 2 cooking tools for xp and wear them at the same time to confirm if its true or not

  
  iirc, this never worked.
• Esileruf wrote on 2014-01-28 04:32
  Hey, my first ever post and its probably useless.
  
  
  [SPOILER="Master:Utility/Bard+Range"]
  
  Intention to head into anywhere, and DIY.
  
  Bow:Bhafel Hunter
  Upgrade Path:No artisan 2 pierce.
  Prefix:Interlocking
  Suffix:Sniping
  Reforge:Ice 5/6 Lightning 4/3, range 20
  Note:99.9% additional elemental damage is the max suposedly. Otherwise go for 6/6 ice/lightning regardless.
  S or R:R
  
  (HUM)Light Armor:Chinese Dragon or Royal Diamond Leather or Languhiris Chaser
  Upgrade Path:High Defense+Prot
  Prefix:Knocking
  Suffix:Challenger
  Reforge:Crash Shot Fragments 5, Transformation Duration 20, Dex Increase 20-25
  
  
  (ELF)Clothing:Bohemian
  Upgrade Path:Durability
  Prefix:Encore
  Suffix:Daunting
  Reforge:Crash Shot Fragments 5, Transformation Duration 20, Final Shot Duration 20
  
  Shoes:Bohemian
  Prefix:Solo
  Suffix:Release
  Reforge:Movement Speed 5, Dex 20-25, Rain Casting Cooldown 20
  
  Light Boots:Any(Human)
  Prefix:Solo
  Suffix:Release
  Reforge:Movement Speed 5, Dex 20-25, Rain Casting Cooldown 20
  
  Gloves:Bohemian/Any(Human)
  Prefix:Solo
  Suffix:Release
  Reforge:Crash Shot Fragment Damage 20, Magnum Shot Damage 20, Mana Shield Reduction 20/Lullaby Targets 5
  
  Hat:Bohemian/Any(Human*)
  Prefix:Allegory
  Suffix:Chorus
  Reforge:Crash Shot Range 20, Final Shot Cooldown 20(Arrow Revolver Range 20), Crisis Range 20(Aim Speed 22)
  
  Small Shield:Rebis Guard Cylinder
  Prefix:Frozen
  Suffix:Ebony
  Reforge:Any
  
  Accessory:Purple Heartx2(10/10 Dex/Will minimum)
  Prefix:Precise(Oblivion)
  Suffix:Lily(Swarming)
  Reforge:Charge Without shield(x1), Crash Shot Fragment damage 3(If it stacks, can't find the update where it made it not), Magnum Shot Damage 3
  
  Magnum Shot and Support Shot Enhancement
  
  Other: 10dex/will/luck totem, 15 max totem, 5 crit totem, Sniper/Nao(Yvona or Dark Ruairi or any other 15+ damage acceptable)
  Bhafel Huntress
  Harmony/Rhythm Gloomy Sunday
  Reforge:Instrument Playing Effect 20, Musical Knowlege Inspiring Performance Effect 10, Musical Knowledge Inspiring Performace Rate 10
  
  Frozen/any Hurricane, 6S max freezing duration.
  Freezing Duration 20
  
  Earthquake Cylinder, 6S, Max barrier spikes HP[/SPOILER]
• Syliara wrote on 2014-01-28 04:46

  Quote from nana;1192373:

  you feel that way, fine. I prefer the other.
  
  
  
  [video=youtube;XrlqlTGH0MU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrlqlTGH0MU[/video]
  please excuse my poor english.
  
  
  
  iirc, this never worked.

  
  
  
  Battlefield duration fell under the "other" category that I was talking about.
  
  That reforge has always stacked because it isnt a % multiplier increase its a buff duration increase and uses a different formula. That video does not confirm that accessory reforges for skills have been fixed.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-01-28 04:53
  The best elemental reforge you can get is 6/5 btw.
  Yes, you can get 6/6/6, but you wouldn't get the bonus past 6/5.
• nana wrote on 2014-01-28 04:59

  Quote from Nui;1192391:

  Battlefield duration fell under the "other" category that I was talking about.
  
  That reforge has always stacked because it isnt a % multiplier increase its a buff duration increase and uses a different formula. That video does not confirm that accessory reforges for skills have been fixed.

  
  
  overture duration reforge didn't stack at one point just like other cs frag, mag, or other reforges. This was long time ago, but many of my friend had to re-reforge their acc with overture reforge since they had overture lv5 on cloth hence i still remember.
  
  if youre so confident about what you say, plz show us the source for it.
• Syliara wrote on 2014-01-28 05:02

  Quote from nana;1192400:

  overture duration reforge didn't stack at one point just like other cs frag, mag, or other reforges. This was long time ago, but many of my friend had to re-reforge their acc with overture reforge since they had overture lv5 on cloth hence i still remember.
  
  if youre so confident about what you say, plz show us the source for it.

  
  
  Music buff duration should work like music buff effect does in that it can stack from anything, if it doesn't work like that we should get a 3rd opinion on it, however I was almost certain it stacked before.
  
  I'm not exactly sure how I'm supposed to get a source for it now? This is from wat I was told and applying the same logic from music buff effect to duration since they work in similar ways and are different than most skill reforges.
• nana wrote on 2014-01-28 06:27

  Quote from Nui;1192403:

  Music buff duration should work like music buff effect does in that it can stack from anything, if it doesn't work like that we should get a 3rd opinion on it, however I was almost certain it stacked before.
  
  I'm not exactly sure how I'm supposed to get a source for it now? This is from wat I was told and applying the same logic from music buff effect to duration since they work in similar ways and are different than most skill reforges.

  
  
  Sorry this will be a bit long post due to many vids and info, if any mods feel like editing and putting them into spoiler tag, please feel free to do so.
  
  That being said...
  First item to go is this link to Japanese Mabinogi Wiki (for those that do not understand japanese might need to use Google Chrome to translate it for you)
  http://mabinogi.wikiwiki.jp/pukiwiki.php?%C1%F5%C8%F7%2F%BA%D9%B9%A9%2F%B2%BB%B3%DA%B7%CF%2F%A5%B3%A5%E1%A5%F3%A5%C8
  
  This is an comment page where wiki editor discuss whats been changed, what they should do to improve the page and etc...
  and this page is dedicated for Reforges Related to Music Skills. If you take a look at this page, you can find this posts that i quoted for you.
  
  
  

  
  戦場の序曲持続時間レベル１を２個と持続時間レベル２を装備したらちゃんと２０秒増えていました -- 2014-01-02 (木) 11:56:16
  (When I equipped 2 Overture duration Level1 reforge 1 Overture duration Level2 Reforge, they did stack and added 20sec to plain overture.)
  
  一時期、重複しない仕様だった事があるが、現状では重複するように戻っている -- 2014-01-14 (火) 20:20:34
  (For a period of time, reforge didn't stack, but they changed back so that reforges does stack)
  

  
  parenthesis is my translation for you ppl.
  Not only me, but an editor(obviously not me lol) on a wiki did acknowledge the fact that reforges didn't stack for certain periods of time.
  
  
  Here i have provided another waves of vids to prove my point.
  This is recored by a japanese player when nexon made a change to reforge system as of now(tho its fixed by now...)
  So, only a reforge with highest level will have its effect when having multiple of same reforge on their equips.
  
  Here is the First vid; Overture with just GM bard ( should last 1min and 20sec)
  [SPOILER="v1"]
  [video=youtube;m2dqFxEq-Yg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2dqFxEq-Yg [/video]
  [/SPOILER]
  0:03(starts overture) ~ 1:23(ends overture)
  Total of 1min and 20sec.
  
  2nd vid; Overture with GM bard + Cloth and Acc (both with overture duration Level2 on it) (Should add 20sec to normal overture, total of 1min and 40sec)
  [SPOILER="v2"]
  [video=youtube;rT0SkeooH4c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT0SkeooH4c [/video]
  [/SPOILER]
  0:09(overture starts) ~ 1:39(overture ends)
  Total of 1min and 30sec
  
  3rd vid; Overture with GM bard + Cloth and 2Acc (all of them have overture duratoin level2 on it)
  [SPOILER="v3"]
  [video=youtube;XiHUScaaFOI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiHUScaaFOI [/video]
  [/SPOILER]
  0:12(overture starts) ~ 1:42(overture ends)
  Total of 1min and 30sec
  
  Even tho 2nd and 3rd vid had multiple reforges for overture duration, only a 10sec were added to normal overture.
  As you see, only 1 Overture duration Level 2 Reforge(Highest roll) was in its effect while other 2were neglected.
  This shows that even an overture duration reforge was treated the same way as other % multiplier reforges (eg. cs frag, mag, smash or etc...)
  
  That being said, Ill post my vid once again to show that, by now, reforges does stack.
  [SPOILER="v4"]
  [video=youtube;XrlqlTGH0MU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrlqlTGH0MU[/video]
  [/SPOILER]
  With my vid, overture did get longer each time I equipped a new overture duration reforged acc/cloth.
  
  Since overture reforge, which were treated same as % multiplier reforges, is fixed by now, I can say that other reforges have been fixed as well.
  
  
  
  tl;dr
  nexon fixed reforges system so same reforge does stack now.
  
  lastly, ill apologize for my bad english...>.> its one of things i can never acquire..orz
• Justified wrote on 2014-01-28 07:27

  Quote from ironwoman;1192395:

  The best elemental reforge you can get is 6/5 btw.
  Yes, you can get 6/6/6, but you wouldn't get the bonus past 6/5.

  
  
  That was already disproved over a year ago.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-01-28 07:38
  Master tier shouldnt involve 6 stepped weapons at all personally.
  
  Ive seen "master tier" people hit less than high tier.
  
  
  Why is this even being discussed. Master tier should be renamed something else, i consider it insulting personally given the whole endgame thing and had people argue with me because they spent >500 bucks on their weapons and gear and end up being "better".
  
  
  And some of the items are out of reach for Tarlach due to lack of raiders
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2014-01-28 07:38

  Quote from nana;1192427:

  Huge chunk of text

  
  
  Why don't you try it out with Healing reforges?
  
  Lv1 healing +25 HP, additional levels adds an increment of 1.
  
  So technically, if you have 4 healing accessories or equipment, you should get 25+25+25+25 which brings it up to a total of 100 HP additional healed.
  
  Right now, it's added in a way that it's just a normal increment. IMO that shouldn't be the way. If that is so, then healing enhancement is the most useless reforge in the entire game as of late.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-01-28 07:41
  As a request, can you remove the youtube videos in the quotes please.
• Froglord of DESTINY!!! wrote on 2014-01-28 07:59
  Best 2h weapon would be a lv 100 ego dragon fang with 6 ice / 5 lightning / 20 smash. Hypothetically speaking if egos were uncapped to lv 100.