Zekkii's Guide to Creating Challenging Content in Mabinogi

• loli123 wrote on 2014-04-28 13:46
  And after complanining about it being too easy and they ACTUALLY make the game harder
  people will complain about it being too hard
  so then we're back where we started.
• SlurpTASTY wrote on 2014-04-28 13:57

  Quote from loli123;1217447:

  And after complanining about it being too easy and they ACTUALLY make the game harder
  people will complain about it being too hard
  so then we're back where we started.

  
  
  The player-base that difficult content is catered towards won't be complaining about it being too hard, js.
  
  Granted the rewards are worth it, of course.
• Tropa wrote on 2014-04-28 18:09

  Quote from SlurpTASTY;1217448:

  The player-base that difficult content is catered towards won't be complaining about it being too hard, js.
  
  Granted the rewards are worth it, of course.

  
  
  Pretty much this, I'm not gonna bust my ass over fireball crystals...
• bacabro wrote on 2014-04-28 18:14

  Quote from SlurpTASTY;1217448:

  The player-base that difficult content is catered towards won't be complaining about it being too hard, js.
  
  Granted the rewards are worth it, of course.

  
  
  what rewards?rewards that can make you stronger?doesn't that defeats the purpose of a harder content?
• Syliara wrote on 2014-04-28 18:19

  Quote from bacabro;1217476:

  what rewards?rewards that can make you stronger?doesn't that defeats the purpose of a harder content?

  
  
  Not if the developers scale it so it isnt extremely overpowered compared to the content it comes from.
• Zekkii wrote on 2014-04-28 19:24

  Quote from bacabro;1217476:

  what rewards?rewards that can make you stronger?doesn't that defeats the purpose of a harder content?

  
  I don't think he meant it'd pay out in elemental 40 weapons; balance isn't so fragile that rewarding higher difficulty missions would automatically mean that content would be easy, and good rewards aren't always things that make you stronger either.
• Slayerj wrote on 2014-04-28 20:57
  Then again, some people hate doing hard stuff just to get 1-5 more points of extra dmg, that they still have to re-enchant, upgrade, and pray for no dura loss for a while to make it worth while. But if you give them too much of a gain, the same problem ensues wit the content not being as hard anymore.
• Tyskiyomy wrote on 2014-04-28 22:03
  More money from [selected]missions/dungeons/theater instances :>
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-04-30 08:37
  It's already on a slippery slope, let's just make the incline steeper.
  
  
  

  Quote from Perfectio;1217438:

  Yeah, it's clear at this point that giving players access to every skill does not work no matter how freedom it gives the player. Also we run into the problem where you have classes that are clearly better than the other at doing the same thing, while in normal MMOs content is designed to need every class to clear it.
  
  I'm pretty sure the same thing happened in Ultima Online too.

  
  
  Limit to 1-2 talent usage in a dungeon.
  Force others to actually make a party to clear content.
  Course you can go with the old school method, but then why would you want to restrict yourself in a dungeon.
  
  Ladies and gentlemen, i grant you the best incentive to run dungeons in a party while locked in 1-2 talents.
  
  
  
  Everyone gets a primary reward in the dungeon.
  May the peaca spam begin.
  If that's not enough. Make the secondary reward a 100% drop rate too.
  Could work for shadow missions too. Make it so shitty primary rewards are wiped from the reward.
  
  
  There we go. Took me 10 seconds to figure out how to implement classes in mabi.
  All 100% optional.
  Want no pets too? Implement an option for that, allow for better reward chances.
  
  
  
  CMON. THIS IS EASY.
• Twin wrote on 2014-04-30 08:46
  I kinda got a Vindictus feeling from that idea
• loli123 wrote on 2014-04-30 13:42
  If by class restriction you mean
  disabled all the other skill set but 2
  idk if that would work
  since the general skills like Counter, Smash, etc. woudn't be accessable unless you pick warrior
  and skills like campire, or Rest wouldn't be enabled unless you pick adventurer
• loli123 wrote on 2014-04-30 13:45

  Quote from Aubog007;1217790:

  It's already on a slippery slope, let's just make the incline steeper.
  
  
  
  
  Limit to 1-2 talent usage in a dungeon.
  Force others to actually make a party to clear content.
  Course you can go with the old school method, but then why would you want to restrict yourself in a dungeon.
  
  Ladies and gentlemen, i grant you the best incentive to run dungeons in a party while locked in 1-2 talents.
  
  
  
  Everyone gets a primary reward in the dungeon.
  May the peaca spam begin.
  If that's not enough. Make the secondary reward a 100% drop rate too.
  Could work for shadow missions too. Make it so shitty primary rewards are wiped from the reward.
  
  
  There we go. Took me 10 seconds to figure out how to implement classes in mabi.
  All 100% optional.
  Want no pets too? Implement an option for that, allow for better reward chances.
  
  
  
  CMON. THIS IS EASY.

  
  
  If by class restriction you mean
  disabled all the other skill set but 2
  idk if that would work
  since the general skills like Counter, Smash, etc. woudn't be accessable unless you pick warrior
  and skills like campire, or Rest wouldn't be enabled unless you pick adventurer
  
  And about the pets, why not just disable their summon effect?
  since you might need items that are stored in pets.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-04-30 14:53

  Quote from loli123;1217818:

  If by class restriction you mean
  disabled all the other skill set but 2
  idk if that would work
  since the general skills like Counter, Smash, etc. woudn't be accessable unless you pick warrior
  and skills like campire, or Rest wouldn't be enabled unless you pick adventurer
  
  And about the pets, why not just disable their summon effect?
  since you might need items that are stored in pets.

  
  
  
  It's optional. Not mandatory.
  Restrict yourself for better rewards. Also it's entirely doable. You don't need counter/defense.
  Now a melee on the other hand...
  Also you pick the talent before you go in the dungeon, not what you are rebirthed into.