[Mabinogi-JP] Regeneration Update / Ninjas

• willcaster wrote on 2014-06-06 20:18

  Quote from Kaeporo;1224058:

  Elves are a tiny bit under-powered.
  
  They have three notable advantages over other races: Magnum Shot, Movement Speed, Hide
  
  The first is fairly comparable to CC Firebolt in most situations. It's capable of much greater DPS versus static bosses but is generally less reliable and requires far more resource investment. The second is somewhat offset by the numerous movement speed sources which don't stack at present. While certainly valuable, it in no way compares to other racial bonuses. Hide is pretty nifty and it's really useful when used with Hydra but it's not particularly flexible during combat. Damage-wise they're inferior in all talents aside from archery, where they're only superior to Humans when it comes to Magnum Shot DPS.
  
  Giants have the ability to wield lances (high damage, ignore 45% prot) alongside shields (enabling alchemy use or reducing damage to 1) and heavy armor (further bolstering defense) at no cost to offense. Damage-wise they're equal or superior in all talents aside from archery, which they do not possess.

  
  
  sad story: if giants get archery they will be better than elves; bigger bows would rely on str + dex higher base attack on bows and huge arrows with probably extra attack too.
• SlurpTASTY wrote on 2014-06-06 20:21

  Quote from Slayerj;1224060:

  They aren't really the bests at range or magic like they're 'supposed' to be. Their benefits are bellow minimum at best.

  
  
  Not gonna make this thread a debate on elf vs human archery but elves do have a crazy advantage with range that makes them well worth it if you plan on only doing range. Still doesn't make it acceptable that we're given the shaft with pretty much every other skillset though, defeats the point of the game if a certain class can only truly excel at one thing.
• Slayerj wrote on 2014-06-06 20:37

  Quote from SlurpTASTY;1224066:

  Not gonna make this thread a debate on elf vs human archery but elves do have a crazy advantage with range that makes them well worth it if you plan on only doing range. Still doesn't make it acceptable that we're given the shaft with pretty much every other skillset though, defeats the point of the game if a certain class can only truly excel at one thing.

  
  
  Range just needs a revamp anyway. That whole skill set just seems meh currently. It's good dmg and can be godly at times...but client to server aim % just kind of...ruins it. Not to mention displacement lag (which ruins anything really, but range most of all), but other skill sets don't make you aim for a while and then shoot, so you could aim all the way to 100% and wait an extra second to make sure the server and client are nice and synced up, then miss because you aren't really in range to begin with.
  
  Magic hitting all the time? Sure. It's magic. Mana compressed into bullets that you shoot hitting all the time? Uh... Crystals shoved into a cylinder that you shoot out always hitting? Yeah... An arrow that you shoot with a bow missing? *looks at the other three* Where's the logic in that? If it was revamped to not be OP without missing shots unless out of range, then the skill set would be much better imo. Though this isn't the place to discus that. Simply bringing it up because it's the elves only 'best' skill set and that's only due to magnum shot really.
  
  
  
  Back on topic though. If this skill set is STR/WILL based, that leaves me to question how the dmg will work for when you throw the weapon. a % of your dmg?
  
  The mastery, from the info we got from digging around when it was first announced, apparently increases your range with the weapon. But it only looks like one skill uses the weapon in a ranged way. Can you normal attack throw? Or only that one skill? I wish we had more information to go off of. I can't wait for it to come out, even if we won't be getting it. I just want to know more about it at this point.
• Twin wrote on 2014-06-06 20:38

  Quote from willcaster;1224063:

  sad story: if giants get archery they will be better than elves; bigger bows would rely on str + dex higher base attack on bows and huge arrows with probably extra attack too.

  
  
  According to Aranwen, Elves are to skillful for the use of Arrow revolver. So if giants get Archery, I think they would have it..
• Slayerj wrote on 2014-06-06 20:53

  Quote from Twin;1224070:

  According to Aranwen, Elves are to skillful for the use of Arrow revolver. So if giants get Archery, I think they would have it..

  
  
  Wait, what? Really? How....how does that make any kind of sense? How can you be TOO skillful to use a skill that is nothing more than loading arrows/bolts really fast five times...Even if you said that it was due to them using two arrows for one regular shot, Magnum, Mirage missile, and support shot all use one arrow. Oh god Devcat what the actual hell guys.
• Twin wrote on 2014-06-06 21:15

  Quote from Slayerj;1224071:

  Wait, what? Really? How....how does that make any kind of sense? How can you be TOO skillful to use a skill that is nothing more than loading arrows/bolts really fast five times...Even if you said that it was due to them using two arrows for one regular shot, Magnum, Mirage missile, and support shot all use one arrow. Oh god Devcat what the actual hell guys.

  
  
  Mabi wiki > Skills Keyword > Aranwen .
  
  
  Also I was told along time ago that Elves could use Arrow Revolver. Elves also fired two arrows instead of one,unlike humans.
• Kouki wrote on 2014-06-07 00:32
  I didn't even know elves could learn Arrow Revolver. o_o
• Homucifer wrote on 2014-06-07 00:53

  Quote from Twin;1224074:

  Mabi wiki > Skills Keyword > Aranwen .
  
  
  Also I was told along time ago that Elves could use Arrow Revolver. Elves also fired two arrows instead of one,unlike humans.

  
  
  I think they were able to do it on the test server but i'm not positive and i think it was 1 arrow per AR shot not 2.
• Twin wrote on 2014-06-07 00:53

  Quote from Fran;1224107:

  I didn't even know elves could learn Arrow Revolver. o_o

  
  They could around when they were new in KR, but no. Not anymore
• Bankai231 wrote on 2014-06-07 04:57

  Quote from Kaeporo;1224058:

  Elves are a tiny bit under-powered.
  
  They have three notable advantages over other races: Magnum Shot, Movement Speed, Hide
  
  The first is fairly comparable to CC Firebolt in most situations. It's capable of much greater DPS versus static bosses but is generally less reliable and requires far more resource investment. The second is somewhat offset by the numerous movement speed sources which don't stack at present. While certainly valuable, it in no way compares to other racial bonuses. Hide is pretty nifty and it's really useful when used with Hydra but it's not particularly flexible during combat. Damage-wise they're inferior in all talents aside from archery, where they're only superior to Humans when it comes to Magnum Shot DPS.
  
  Giants have the ability to wield lances (high damage, ignore 45% prot) alongside shields (enabling alchemy use or reducing damage to 1) and heavy armor (further bolstering defense) at no cost to offense. Damage-wise they're equal or superior in all talents aside from archery, which they do not possess.

  
  
  I see where you are coming from but dont elves also get more dex along with the hunter/huntress which gives more piercing? Idk I feel like the lance cool down no where meets the mag spam from elves. Maybe I havent seen many elves on tarlach except the high-powered ones but I havent seen an elf that didnt have ridiculous range damage.
• Zeo wrote on 2014-06-07 06:32

  Quote from Bankai231;1224053:

  Elves are underpowered? What? Just because they cant use lances does not mean they are underpowered at all.

  
  
  LOL what?
  
  I never said they're underpowered just because they got no lance skills.
  
  As Kaeporo have pointed it out, only things elves are good at is their movement speed, hide, and the ability to magnum-spam. They do get more dexterity compared to humans but not by much. (the difference is only approximately 50 more, I believe)
  
  Try comparing the elves to giants. You will see why giants are pretty powerful while the elves are quite underpowered. It also doesn't help that their magic damage is also on par with humans.
  
  Like I've pointed out before, elves need to get one or two new talents that benefit them the most in term of stats and mastery.
• Slayerj wrote on 2014-06-07 06:33

  Quote from Bankai231;1224153:

  I see where you are coming from but dont elves also get more dex along with the hunter/huntress which gives more piercing? Idk I feel like the lance cool down no where meets the mag spam from elves. Maybe I havent seen many elves on tarlach except the high-powered ones but I havent seen an elf that didnt have ridiculous range damage.

  
  
  At base cap (if I'm reading the stats and skill page right) they get 20 more dex than humans. At everyone's highest, maxed out for dex, they get 16 less dex than humans.
  
  Also the hunter/huntress (magic bow, what evs.) Is something both humans and elves can use, not just elves. So it doesn't exactly count as a bonus for them, on top of the fact that it's hard as hell to get apparently.
  
  I've seen a human with a lance clear out groups of mobs in seconds. I have yet to see an elf spamming magnum do the same or even hit as much.
• SlurpTASTY wrote on 2014-06-07 07:32

  Quote from Slayerj;1224161:

  At base cap (if I'm reading the stats and skill page right) they get 20 more dex than humans. At everyone's highest, maxed out for dex, they get 16 less dex than humans.
  
  Also the hunter/huntress (magic bow, what evs.) Is something both humans and elves can use, not just elves. So it doesn't exactly count as a bonus for them, on top of the fact that it's hard as hell to get apparently.
  
  I've seen a human with a lance clear out groups of mobs in seconds. I have yet to see an elf spamming magnum do the same or even hit as much.

  
  
  [video=youtube;zGdrH5DCBJI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdrH5DCBJI[/video]
  
  Consider since the conception of this vid I've also gained ~200 max.
• Kouki wrote on 2014-06-07 10:52
  I also wish elves had more talents they could specialize in... So far I have only found archery and puppetry(control bars as a melee weapon) that my elf can do better than my humans. It pretty much translates to, elf = archer, and it kind of saddens me when a friend joins Mabi as a new player, wanting an elf battle bard/knight/fighter/whatever, not knowing that they will not be as good as humans/giants, and not to mention squishy.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-06-07 14:16

  Quote from Slayerj;1224161:

  At base cap (if I'm reading the stats and skill page right) they get 20 more dex than humans. At everyone's highest, maxed out for dex, they get 16 less dex than humans.
  
  Also the hunter/huntress (magic bow, what evs.) Is something both humans and elves can use, not just elves. So it doesn't exactly count as a bonus for them, on top of the fact that it's hard as hell to get apparently.
  
  I've seen a human with a lance clear out groups of mobs in seconds. I have yet to see an elf spamming magnum do the same or even hit as much.

  
  
  Human:
  Ranged Attack: +25
  Unique Skills: +48
  Talents: +30~42
  Total: 103~115
  
  Elf
  Ranged Attack: +15
  Unique Skills: +50
  Talents: +36~50
  Total: 101~115
  
  Elves are only potentially stronger than Humans when you account for aging/leveling bonuses for those who cannot rebirth weekly. That said, LPN (little plus numbers) do not realistically matter concerning racial differences.
  
  Elves might have a sweet Magnum Shot bonus but it's not like they can reduce all incoming blows to 1 damage; shunt incoming melee damage by 50% and stun over 60% of the time, and deal absolutely massive damage which bypassing the protection of nearly all enemies in Mabinogi.
  
  I won't lie, Elves have a pretty nifty Magnum Shot cooldown but that's pretty much all they've got...and it's about on par with CC Firebolt for all intents and purposes. As of right now (imo), Elves are only effective as the Giant that they're supporting.