Thoughts on new updates

• Nightmare wrote on 2014-06-26 05:12

  Quote from Zekkii;1228297:

  The issue of lack of endgame content before has turned into a lack of nearly start-game content now. Say players get to 40/10 every day (average) until they reach 1000 after 25 days. By this time they should have well over 2000 AP, which is more than enough to solo HM shadow missions without reforges rather easily. If the player claimed their 3 pegasus then there's no reason for them to die at all, even without reforges or high-tier enchants they would be far beyond what endgame players could achieve since the implementation of shadow missions.
  
  I'm not going to bother speculating on how this effects Nexon's pofit, and quite frankly I don't care. I just find it sad how pathetically easy this game has become. With that said, I don't think it's because of free weekly rebirths; those just piss me off because I never got to make use of them.

  
  
  Well since everyone gets 6 cards on start, that'd be 8 pegasuses, no?
• Kelvas wrote on 2014-06-26 05:20

  Quote from Nightmare;1228312:

  Well since everyone gets 6 cards on start, that'd be 8 pegasuses, no?

  
  
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• Zekkii wrote on 2014-06-26 05:34

  Quote from Kapra;1228311:

  I will never understand your peoples logic. Even at level 4k with thousands of extra AP from events you will struggle in some hard and elite missions if you don't reforge.

  
  You shouldn't struggle at hardmode missions at level 300~500 if you're in an approrpiately sized team. At around 1.5k I had no issue soloing HM and Elite missions years ago, so I do speak from experience. I didn't have reforges back then either.
  

  If you ask me, adding more endgame content won't fix the issue. Eventually, no matter what they add, people will find a way to plow through it and the ask for more and call DevCAT shit for not making it harder even though the mass majority of players will still struggle with it even if they made it easier.
  
  The issue isn't the lack of endgame content, it's a broader issue that effects every MMO eventually. You play to get stronger to do things easier to get stronger to do things easier? If that's the way you (intentionally or unintentionally) view MMOs, you are destined to eventually get bored of any game.

  That's just an excuse, you should play the game to face tougher challenges and discouver new activities. There isn't a reason why you can't have endgame balanced. The developers have full control over what the user is capable of and have neglected to balance it to content or failed to produce content worthy of it. If they can give players new stats, new skills, stronger weapons, and stronger armour, then they can do the exact same for monsters.
  

  Quote from Nightmare;1228312:

  Well since everyone gets 6 cards on start, that'd be 8 pegasuses, no?

  
  I had no idea players get 6 cards at the start now. If a player puts in the effort, they certainly can.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-06-26 13:08

  Quote from Kapra;1228311:

  I will never understand your peoples logic. Even at level 4k with thousands of extra AP from events you will struggle in some hard and elite missions if you don't reforge.
  
  If you ask me, adding more endgame content won't fix the issue. Eventually, no matter what they add, people will find a way to plow through it and the ask for more and call DevCAT shit for not making it harder even though the mass majority of players will still struggle with it even if they made it easier.
  
  The issue isn't the lack of endgame content, it's a broader issue that effects every MMO eventually. You play to get stronger to do things easier to get stronger to do things easier? If that's the way you (intentionally or unintentionally) view MMOs, you are destined to eventually get bored of any game.

  
  
  Don't blame reforges.
  
  Name the number of character buffs which we've received since shadow missions were released. Now, name the number of monster or content updates we've received. You don't need reforges to dominate with about half of our talents and what few heavily benefit from them have also benefited from everything from music to totems.
  
  Nothing should be even remotely difficult by the time you reach 1~3k depending on your class.
• Zunori wrote on 2014-06-26 18:15

  Quote from Kaeporo;1228407:

  Don't blame reforges.
  
  Name the number of character buffs which we've received since shadow missions were released. Now, name the number of monster or content updates we've received. You don't need reforges to dominate with about half of our talents and what few heavily benefit from them have also benefited from everything from music to totems.
  
  Nothing should be even remotely difficult by the time you reach 1~3k depending on your class.

  
  
  I agree with everything but the last part. Most newbies who play for free can't steamroll through anything until at least 3~4k unless they seriously invest in the game.
• Sae wrote on 2014-06-26 18:24

  Quote from Fran;1228173:

  You should join Ruairi. :D
  Well, truthfully it isn't as populated and player shops tend to be more expensive...
  I think the population is the best, though. Channel 4 here has a good amount of people in most maps, yet isn't too crowded.
  I hear Alexina has cheap player shops in comparison to others, but that it gets really crowded on events and stuff since most new players join it thinking it's still new.
  When I tried Tarlach, it felt really empty.

  
  I just made a character, her name's Saelii! Though it seems strange starting off with absolutely nothing, haha. At least I have Pons.
  I also play Etoilehi on Mari, which I'll probably play a bit more due to a friend wanting to play more haha. If you'd like to chat in-game, feel free to add me! I have a couple of hours until I get home so I'll be online for most of the rest of the day if I'm not drawing.
• Kouki wrote on 2014-06-26 19:12

  Quote from Zunori;1228439:

  I agree with everything but the last part. Most newbies who play for free can't steamroll through anything until at least 3~4k unless they seriously invest in the game.

  
  
  Yeah, I only have the 5k gold reforges from the general shops(and beginner weapons, and no armor), and I'm doing just fine with monsters up to boss of my CP level, as long as they're not too far into boss. I only reached 1k after the update.
  
  It could be because I've had r1 Windmill since total lv 69, though...
• Lyni wrote on 2014-06-26 19:24

  Quote from Zunori;1228439:

  I agree with everything but the last part. Most newbies who play for free can't steamroll through anything until at least 3~4k unless they seriously invest in the game.

  
  
  I have a friend who's been derping since Iria, almost 4k now, and he still has a long way to go. Maybe he'll play more with the new rebirth system.
• Kelvas wrote on 2014-06-26 19:46

  Quote from Zunori;1228439:

  I agree with everything but the last part. Most newbies who play for free can't steamroll through anything until at least 3~4k unless they seriously invest in the game.

  
  
  I'm 1.4k and I can probably solo some of the HM SMs, and I've only spent about 15 dollars in the game up to this point.
  
  Unfortunately, I've noticed a LOT of people around my level do not know how reforges works, that gem upgrades exist, and what special upgrades do. I don't remember who said this, but I agree with the statement that "most people would rather spend 7 mil on a cute outfit than 35 reforging tools." With that said, I have to agree that most newbies cannot steamroll through anything, especially those who reached 1k after this revamp.
  
  The reason why I've been able to solo some HM SMs at 1k is primary due to the fact that I have over 4k APs invested, most of which is in the magic tab. I also use s5 weapons as well. Seeing that many people my level (before this revamp) don't even know what special upgrades are, I highly doubt newbies who hit 1k after this revamp would either, which further supports the argument that they can't solo HM missions.
  
  Furthermore, I'm sure that most of you already know this, but those of us who have been around for a while have FAR more APs than what would have been expected, many of which come from events and dailies. With this new revamp, newbies can hit 1k in less than 2 weeks, but they'll be lacking in APs compared to those who've reached 1k before.
  
  
  EDIT:
  
  But then again, magic takes a LOT of APs to finish, so what I've said may be a bit biased. Anyways, I would say that people should be able to solo HM at around 2k.
  (Sorry if I was a bit confusing, I can't explain things well)
  
• Kouki wrote on 2014-06-26 20:16

  Quote from Kelvas;1228474:

  
  
  I'm 1.4k and I can probably solo some of the HM SMs, and I've only spent about 15 dollars in the game up to this point.
  
  Unfortunately, I've noticed a LOT of people around my level do not know how reforges works, that gem upgrades exist, and what special upgrades do. I don't remember who said this, but I agree with the statement that "most people would rather spend 7 mil on a cute outfit than 35 reforging tools." With that said, I have to agree that most newbies cannot steamroll through anything, especially those who reached 1k after this revamp.
  
  The reason why I've been able to solo some HM SMs at 1k is primary due to the fact that I have over 4k APs invested, most of which is in the magic tab. I also use s5 weapons as well. Seeing that many people my level (before this revamp) don't even know what special upgrades are, I highly doubt newbies who hit 1k after this revamp would either, which further supports the argument that they can't solo HM missions.
  
  Furthermore, I'm sure that most of you already know this, but those of us who have been around for a while have FAR more APs than what would have been expected, many of which come from events and dailies. With this new revamp, newbies can hit 1k in less than 2 weeks, but they'll be lacking in APs compared to those who've reached 1k before.
  
  
  EDIT:
  
  But then again, magic takes a LOT of APs to finish, so what I've said may be a bit biased. Anyways, I would say that people should be able to solo HM at around 2k.
  (Sorry if I was a bit confusing, I can't explain things well)
  

  
  
  That is true, about many new players not having as much AP comparative to their level. xD
  My new friends have been ignoring their mainstream quests, dailies, and don't listen to my advice about prioritizing windmill(so they spend AP all over the place in things like hoe mastery, egg gathering, or heal). >.<
• xAgentDerpx wrote on 2014-06-26 20:33

  Quote from Fran;1228479:

  That is true, about many new players not having as much AP comparative to their level. xD
  My new friends have been ignoring their mainstream quests, dailies, and don't listen to my advice about prioritizing windmill(so they spend AP all over the place in things like hoe mastery, egg gathering, or heal). >.<

  
  I remember when I was like that starting off. Then my friend gave me a lonnnnnnnng lecture about how wise it'd be to focus on one skill until its r1 and one talent. So now im going towards Master Fighter, not so bad. After he gave me that lecture i got to Great Fighter with in 3 days.
• Zekkii wrote on 2014-06-26 20:50
  You can actually reset your skills as many times as you want until level 1000 now. All the arguments I'm hearing are that "newbs are clueless idiots" and that's being used as a reason why the game is hard. Thinking about seperate classes; warriors can have over 400 max at level 1 if they dual-wield, mages can hit 5k+ firebolt with a pretty fresh ego, archers can max their tab by the time they're 1k and get around 500 max with DKB, alchemists could destroy enemy AI and deal heavy burst damage with flameburst and water canon, fighters get most of their damage from cheap weapons, puppeteers get 190 max just from ranking two skills, and gunners have the option to buy black stars. If someone is smart about the game then they could solo HM well before level 1000.
  
  Next is the summon pets. I mentioned you can get them for free with a little work, but players also have the option to buy as many as they want. They're the biggest cheats in the game, you don't even need to know about the RPS system because AOE pets beat all elements of it on all enemies at once. Given enough pegasus pets, you could solo MA simply by spamming them; it would take a lot, but it is true.
  
  I don't know why I'm bothering to argue the point. We're getting talent AP soon enough, as well as saga 2 for even more free AP. Don't be surprised when you see people with 5000 AP before they lose beginner benefits.
• Kilayox wrote on 2014-06-26 20:59

  Quote from Kelvas;1228474:

  
  
  I'm 1.4k and I can probably solo some of the HM SMs, and I've only spent about 15 dollars in the game up to this point.
  
  Unfortunately, I've noticed a LOT of people around my level do not know how reforges works, that gem upgrades exist, and what special upgrades do. I don't remember who said this, but I agree with the statement that "most people would rather spend 7 mil on a cute outfit than 35 reforging tools." With that said, I have to agree that most newbies cannot steamroll through anything, especially those who reached 1k after this revamp.
  
  The reason why I've been able to solo some HM SMs at 1k is primary due to the fact that I have over 4k APs invested, most of which is in the magic tab. I also use s5 weapons as well. Seeing that many people my level (before this revamp) don't even know what special upgrades are, I highly doubt newbies who hit 1k after this revamp would either, which further supports the argument that they can't solo HM missions.
  
  Furthermore, I'm sure that most of you already know this, but those of us who have been around for a while have FAR more APs than what would have been expected, many of which come from events and dailies. With this new revamp, newbies can hit 1k in less than 2 weeks, but they'll be lacking in APs compared to those who've reached 1k before.
  
  
  EDIT:
  
  But then again, magic takes a LOT of APs to finish, so what I've said may be a bit biased. Anyways, I would say that people should be able to solo HM at around 2k.
  (Sorry if I was a bit confusing, I can't explain things well)
  

  
  
  I think the main problem would be, the time spent. We had to grind from cumulative 300 to what we have now, running Shadow Missions and whatever. They can pretty much get to cumulative 1k in about 2~3 weeks depending on how hard they grind. It took me about 2 months to get to 1k. In that 2 months I ran tons of missions and stuff, developed a mindset for combos and linking my skills with each other and such. A new player jumping into the game now, getting 1k after a few weeks and not getting that fighting experience because to be honest, generations aren't enough for one to learn how to fight.
  
  Although, I get what you're saying about the 4k+ AP(you) versus the potential 1k~2k AP they would earn. I agree with that as well