Which Skills do you think are useless?

• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-09-04 04:04
  Which skills in this game do you think are useless?
  
  Personas - Most of them give shit stats and they all have a shitty long cooldown which aren't viable to use.
  
  Spirit Weapon Awakening, Elven Magic Missile, Counterattack, Lance Counter, Counter Punch - Shit damage, nuff said. As for counterattack series you shouldn't even be getting hit so they're worthless.
  
  Defense - Specifically referring to that small "party buff" where it has ridiculously small range. This skill doesn't block that many skills which should be blocked (Act 6: Crisis, for example) so its quite weak too.
  
  Final Shot - This was completely left in the dust since Genesis. The loading time should have been removed, the teleport using duration is a stupid feature, and the archery load time decrease doesn't even work anymore since the entire skillset got their loading times removed.
  
  Control of Darkness - Excluding the glitch, the tamed mobs have horrible AI, not to mention the fact that it costs nearly 1k gold per attempt is absurd.
  
  Taming Wild Animals - Same reason as Control of Darkness, only referring to the horrible AI.
  
  Natural Shield, Ice Shield, Fire Shield, Lightning Shield - Makes you a sitting duck while "blocking" damage that should already be negated by magic defense and protection. Honestly these skills could use a lot of improvements.
  
  Wind Blast - All it does is give pushback along with weak damage, Water Cannon can do the same thing with even higher damage.
  
  Mana Crystallization - Um, who uses this anymore? The pure magic ones are better and you can't Snap Cast this?
  
  Summon Golem - Has a really bad AI and I'm way more stronger than some weak pile of rocks.
  
  Respite - Before the influx of Health and Stamina this was pretty balanced, but now it restores like an 11th of my max HP/SP; Fantastic Chorus does so much better. The aftereffect is completely pointless, and the poison cure is stupid; no one is going to use Respite in a fight and by the time the monster is dead the poison should already have worn off, plus free battle pegasus pets can already negate poison instantly.
  
  Tumble - It really irks me that this is a knuckle-only skill, which doesn't benefit the skillset in any way other than setting up for Focused Fist. It'd be so much better if this was universal, greatly assisting archer/mage/alchemy/gun/ninja.
  
  Encore - ... Really, what bard skill needs its cooldown reset?
  
  Act 9: Invigorating Encore - This skill is terribad in every way: the shit AI, the shit damage buff, the weak eruption damage, and useless skill loading decrease. Act 9 was originally intended to have a helping partner wasn't it? Well the partner isn't so helpful at all.
  
  Reload - I don't use bullets, so this is useless to me.
  
  Grapple Shot - Weak damage. I know it's meant to pull yourself closer to someone, but that range is too short to utilize properly, not to mention the fact it just makes you more vulnerable.
  
  Bullet Slide - Weak damage.
  
  Bullet Storm - Weak damage compared to Shooting Rush spam and is extremely hard to utilize because A) it has shit range and B) there's hardly a time where there's 12 enemies all bundled together.
  
  Spider Shot - Single target with an extremely long cooldown that increases critical damage but isn't guaranteed.
  
  Berserk - Even at rank 1, 160 Strength basically means like 50 max damage, which isn't much. The trade off for cutting off all my defensive stats for a very small duration isn't worth it.
  
  Shockwave - Weak damage with a ridiculously huge mana cost. 400 max damage means nothing compared to intermediate magic spells, heck even Thunder has the same max damage but hits 5 times and uses a lot less MP.
  
  Demigod - They all suck now since the influx to stats.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-09-04 04:25

  Quote from Darkboy132;1245151:

  [SPOILER=" "]Which skills in this game do you think are useless?
  
  Personas - Most of them give shit stats and they all have a shitty long cooldown which aren't viable to use.
  
  Spirit Weapon Awakening, Elven Magic Missile, Counterattack, Lance Counter, Counter Punch - Shit damage, nuff said. As for counterattack series you shouldn't even be getting hit so they're worthless.
  
  Defense - Specifically referring to that small "party buff" where it has ridiculously small range. This skill doesn't block that many skills which should be blocked (Act 6: Crisis, for example) so its quite weak too.
  
  Final Shot - This was completely left in the dust since Genesis. The loading time should have been removed, the teleport using duration is a stupid feature, and the archery load time decrease doesn't even work anymore since the entire skillset got their loading times removed.
  
  Control of Darkness - Excluding the glitch, the tamed mobs have horrible AI, not to mention the fact that it costs nearly 1k gold per attempt is absurd.
  
  Taming Wild Animals - Same reason as Control of Darkness, only referring to the horrible AI.
  
  Natural Shield, Ice Shield, Fire Shield, Lightning Shield - Makes you a sitting duck while "blocking" damage that should already be negated by magic defense and protection. Honestly these skills could use a lot of improvements.
  
  Wind Blast - All it does is give pushback along with weak damage, Water Cannon can do the same thing with even higher damage.
  
  Mana Crystallization - Um, who uses this anymore? The pure magic ones are better and you can't Snap Cast this?
  
  Summon Golem - Has a really bad AI and I'm way more stronger than some weak pile of rocks.
  
  Respite - Before the influx of Health and Stamina this was pretty balanced, but now it restores like an 11th of my max HP/SP; Fantastic Chorus does so much better. The aftereffect is completely pointless, and the poison cure is stupid; no one is going to use Respite in a fight and by the time the monster is dead the poison should already have worn off, plus free battle pegasus pets can already negate poison instantly.
  
  Tumble - It really irks me that this is a knuckle-only skill, which doesn't benefit the skillset in any way other than setting up for Focused Fist. It'd be so much better if this was universal, greatly assisting archer/mage/alchemy/gun/ninja.
  
  Encore - ... Really, what bard skill needs its cooldown reset?
  
  Act 9: Invigorating Encore - This skill is terribad in every way: the shit AI, the shit damage buff, the weak eruption damage, and useless skill loading decrease. Act 9 was originally intended to have a helping partner wasn't it? Well the partner isn't so helpful at all.
  
  Reload - I don't use bullets, so this is useless to me.
  
  Grapple Shot - Weak damage. I know it's meant to pull yourself closer to someone, but that range is too short to utilize properly, not to mention the fact it just makes you more vulnerable.
  
  Bullet Slide - Weak damage.
  
  Bullet Storm - Weak damage compared to Shooting Rush spam and is extremely hard to utilize because A) it has shit range and B) there's hardly a time where there's 12 enemies all bundled together.
  
  Spider Shot - Single target with an extremely long cooldown that increases critical damage but isn't guaranteed.
  
  Berserk - Even at rank 1, 160 Strength basically means like 50 max damage, which isn't much. The trade off for cutting off all my defensive stats for a very small duration isn't worth it.
  
  Shockwave - Weak damage with a ridiculously huge mana cost. 400 max damage means nothing compared to intermediate magic spells, heck even Thunder has the same max damage but hits 5 times and uses a lot less MP.
  
  Demigod - They all suck now since the influx to stats.[/SPOILER]

  
  
  A few of those skills are legitimately bad. Encore, Mana Crystallization, Respite, Spider Shot, Taming, and Control of Darkness are all terrible.
  
  However, a few of those are situationally useful and some are even top-notch.
  
  Personas: Massive invulnerability period; ophelia grants 100 will
  Shockwave: Absolutely devastating skill; crits around 9k in a huge area and has THE fastest execution in the game
  Summon Golem: Shadow Golems are the best way to tackle Purification.
  Tumble: Provides excellent positioning. Simple enough.
  Wind Blast: Hurricanes knock targets back 2k range. Reforges can gale enemies OVER 5.7k distance.
  Reload: Obviously extremely useful; gunslinger is one of the best talents, end-game
  Bullet Storm: The gunslinger equivalent to hail storm.
  Berserk: Viable w/archery and Mana Shield, reduces efficiency by 2 but gives 50% melee redux
  
  Skills which are also pretty terrible:
  
  Wine Making: Literally zero use aside from stats/lame titles
  March Song: Doesn't stack w/other speed buffs
  
  Skills that are underrated and should see way more use:
  
  Final Hit: Quick teleportation/stun
  Doppelganger: Quick teleportation/stun/invulnerability frames
• Eiryie wrote on 2014-09-04 05:15
  With the new Generation coming, Spirit Sword Awakening is rendered entirely obsolete.
  That new sword attack that literally mimics Spirit Sword Awakening, but is far easier to use and presumably rank, is just plain superior.
  
  Spirit Awakening skills need a revamp so badly it hurts.
  Weak damage, long load time, long animation, stupid awakening energy mechanic and a DAY-LONG COOLDOWN?
• DennouNeko wrote on 2014-09-04 05:31

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  Counterattack

  
  
  I think you don't understand the Rock-Paper-Scissors aspect of the game... Counter completely cancels any regular melee attack and smash, knocking back any enemy that can be knocked back. Gives enough time to charge bolt (mages) or use assault slash (melee).
  As for other skills, I think Kaeporo explained it well enough.
  
  As for useless skills... I have hard time to find any. Every skill can get useful in specific situations, but there always will be skills that are more useful than others.
• Code2008 wrote on 2014-09-04 05:42

  Quote from DennouNeko;1245173:

  I think you don't understand the Rock-Paper-Scissors aspect of the game... Counter completely cancels any regular melee attack and smash, knocking back any enemy that can be knocked back. Gives enough time to charge bolt (mages) or use assault slash (melee).
  As for other skills, I think Kaeporo explained it well enough.
  
  As for useless skills... I have hard time to find any. Every skill can get useful in specific situations, but there always will be skills that are more useful than others.

  
  
  I fail to see how the Winemaking Skill was in anyway beneficial to the game.
• Iyasenu wrote on 2014-09-04 05:49
  Aside from that stats it gives, I'd say Gold Strike is pretty useless.
  
  I mean, I wouldn't really use it outside of training it.
  The cooldown time, load time (for more than one charge at least), and recovery time leaving you wide open make it kinda lackluster to use in actual battle.
  Not to mention the relatively low damage and literal cost, haha.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-09-04 05:51

  Quote from DennouNeko;1245173:

  I think you don't understand the Rock-Paper-Scissors aspect of the game... Counter completely cancels any regular melee attack and smash, knocking back any enemy that can be knocked back. Gives enough time to charge bolt (mages) or use assault slash (melee).
  As for other skills, I think Kaeporo explained it well enough.

  
  
  Counterattack helps in early game, but loses its effectiveness in later aspects, especially when enemies die to say Lance Charge + Lance Smash. Besides, Windmill does a better job of a countering and has always been back during Chapter 1 stage of the game.
• DennouNeko wrote on 2014-09-04 05:54

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  I fail to see how the Winemaking Skill was in anyway beneficial to the game.

  
  
  I do admit it's not useful on daily basis, but it can get useful too.
  Making average wine at Eluned's Winery gives 2x Blago Prairie Recapture Order. It's a pass for shadow mission, The Smell of Wine at Tara. One of rewards of Int+ versions is Marketplace Modification Coupon, which can be used at Colm for upgrades on some of the swords and Highlander Long Bow.
  
  

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  Counterattack helps in early game, but loses its effectiveness in later aspects, especially when enemies die to say Lance Charge + Lance Smash. Besides, Windmill does a better job of a countering and has always been back during Chapter 1 stage of the game.

  
  
  Not everyone is lancer, just like not everyone has connection good enough to activate windmill before enemy gets from it's effective range to the point it can attack.
• Iyasenu wrote on 2014-09-04 05:57

  Quote from DennouNeko;1245179:

  I do admit it's not useful on daily basis, but it can get useful too.
  Making average wine at Eluned's Winery gives 2x Blago Prairie Recapture Order. It's a pass for shadow mission, The Smell of Wine at Tara. One of rewards of Int+ versions is Marketplace Modification Coupon, which can be used at Colm for upgrades on some of the swords and Highlander Long Bow.

  
  
  I think they were referring to how the Winemaking Skill itself has no effect whatsoever on the actual production process of making wine.
  The best reason to rank the skill is for the stats and the funny titles.
  
  I kinda wish it made those purple splotches disappear less quickly... or maybe just gave a passive quality bonus to a finished bottle of wine.
• DennouNeko wrote on 2014-09-04 06:11

  Quote from Iyasenu;1245181:

  I think they were referring to how the Winemaking Skill itself has no effect whatsoever on the actual production process of making wine.
  The best reason to rank the skill is for the stats and the funny titles.
  
  I kinda wish it made those purple splotches disappear less quickly... or maybe just gave a passive quality bonus to a finished bottle of wine.

  
  
  Both me and OP didn't mention anything about ranking the skills. Just like nobody mentioned it has to be useful for a player on specific stage of game ;)
  I do admit it could give some bonuses for the process of making the wine or the final effect... But that's for another thread.
• Syr wrote on 2014-09-04 07:32
  I agree with most, but not all of them.
  
  

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  Personas - Most of them give shit stats and they all have a shitty long cooldown which aren't viable to use.

  
  
  Shylock's Step is the most useful one. Everything else is pretty much meh. Not to mention you can buy yourself a few seconds of invulnerability during the animation.
  
  

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  Defense - Specifically referring to that small "party buff" where it has ridiculously small range. This skill doesn't block that many skills which should be blocked (Act 6: Crisis, for example) so its quite weak too.

  
  
  Party buff is impractical. Crisis is a player skill, so I suppose you're referring to the use of Defense in PvP, which is an already broken system. Otherwise, in PvM it provides a slight timeframe for you to attack in.
  
  

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  Natural Shield, Ice Shield, Fire Shield, Lightning Shield - Makes you a sitting duck while "blocking" damage that should already be negated by magic defense and protection. Honestly these skills could use a lot of improvements.

  
  
  The Shields can block a substantial amount of damage even at low ranks. I have Fire Shield at rank 9 or so and it drops those fireballs from Man-Eaters at the Reserve from 1~2k to 300 damage tops.
  
  

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  Wind Blast - All it does is give pushback along with weak damage, Water Cannon can do the same thing with even higher damage.

  
  
  The knockback is the main reason for this skill, to distance yourself from an enemy while preparing another attack.
  
  

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  Reload - I don't use bullets, so this is useless to me.

  
  
  From an objective point of view, this skill is crucial to gunslingers. If you're not a gunslinger, of course it's useless to you. Though the HP boost is nice.
  
  

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  Grapple Shot - Weak damage. I know it's meant to pull yourself closer to someone, but that range is too short to utilize properly, not to mention the fact it just makes you more vulnerable.

  
  
  I use this after Windmill with guns to close in gaps between enemies. Also can be used on party members for whatever reason you want.
  
  

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  Bullet Slide - Weak damage.

  
  
  An offensive counterattack that pushes yourself away from an enemy. Can be canceled midway through animation to load another gun skill, like Shooting Rush. Can also be used in the middle of being attacked.
  
  

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  Bullet Storm - Weak damage compared to Shooting Rush spam and is extremely hard to utilize because A) it has shit range and B) there's hardly a time where there's 12 enemies all bundled together.

  
  
  You only need four enemies to do as much damage as a shooting rush would. I use it for knockback, and as a combo into Shooting Rush, even if I hit only three enemies.
  
  

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  Demigod - They all suck now since the influx to stats.

  
  
  Morrighan support gives you Wings of Eclipse, which essentially makes you nigh invulnerable depending on your defensive stats. Also grants Adv Heavy Stander. The demi regen is no joke either.
• Tropa wrote on 2014-09-04 08:41

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  Natural Shield, Ice Shield, Fire Shield, Lightning Shield - Makes you a sitting duck while "blocking" damage that should already be negated by magic defense and protection. Honestly these skills could use a lot of improvements.

  
  
  Red Dragon, other then that, they're sad.
  
  

  Wind Blast - All it does is give pushback along with weak damage, Water Cannon can do the same thing with even higher damage.

  
  
  - Instantly loads
  - Has a massive Knockback
  - Hits hard enough to finish off an enemy
  
  

  Summon Golem - Has a really bad AI and I'm way more stronger than some weak pile of rocks.

  
  
  Shadow Golem's Taunt, perfect for Forest purification.
  
  I do agree, it's AI needs a huge improvement.
• Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2014-09-04 08:50
  [QUOTE=Kaeporo;1245156Wind Blast: Hurricanes knock targets back 2k range. Reforges can gale enemies OVER 5.7k distance.[/QUOTE]
  
  Given the viewing distance in certain areas in Mabinogi, that's a matter of "Now I see you, and now I don't."
  
  I personally found Shuriken charge to be a "useless" skill, it can't be charged before you've "selected" a target, and with most set-ups, selecting a target is the same as attacking it unless you click from out of range and then cancel your movement, then manually walk in range for Shuriken Charge and hope you haven't left Combat Mode by then.
  The damage for the skill is okay, it's just the way that it is used that makes it feel like a waste of time.
• KINGZZ wrote on 2014-09-04 11:36
  Encore, Wine making, Taming, Control of darkness, Final shot, spirit weapon awakening, all of those skills have little to no use which is sad especially encore just why encore? Still waiting for that ego revamp ;l
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-09-04 15:49

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  Not everyone is lancer, just like not everyone has connection good enough to activate windmill before enemy gets from it's effective range to the point it can attack.

  
  
  You don't need to be a lancer to know that windmill is a better alternative to counterattack.
  
  The massive range, much higher damage is good enough of a reason. This is a game where you can solo an elite mission just by windmilling with a bow.
  
  In my point of view, pretty much every skill is useless besides the ones with either very high single target DPS or just good wave clear. For example, defense is pretty much useless to me since I'll just kill things before they can get to me.