Mabinogi Renovation Update

• Zeo wrote on 2014-12-09 18:40

  Quote from Tetosan;1256653:

  
  As of currently Elves can't dual wield anything useful

  
  
  Sorry for suddenly getting my hopes up but seeing this makes me think elves does get something to dual wield (even if its useless) which would result them in obtaining the dual wield mastery?
• Tetosan wrote on 2014-12-10 03:58

  Quote from Zeo;1256656:

  Sorry for suddenly getting my hopes up but seeing this makes me think elves does get something to dual wield (even if its useless) which would result them in obtaining the dual wield mastery?

  
  
  Well, the translation of the "How to get" of Dual wield Mastery only seems to indicate that you need 2 items considered Weapons equipped (meaning that anything Pseudo-Dual like Control Bars, Knuckles, Guns and Chef's Passion) seem to be excluded, however Elves are capable of dualing the Handpuppets....
  If they actually count or not is questionable.
  
  Can't see anything about them actually getting weapons to dual Wield... However as of now Dual Weapon Mastery DOES appear in the Unlearned Tab of Elves. but this might just be due to the Developement state and is subject to change.
• Geranos wrote on 2014-12-11 03:14
  I do hope they do something with magic though. Like an AOE that doesn't take a ridiculously long time time to load, and something to help keep or create distance if the enemy gets too close to charge.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-12-11 03:34

  Quote from Geranos;1256760:

  I do hope they do something with magic though. Like an AOE that doesn't take a ridiculously long time time to load, and something to help keep or create distance if the enemy gets too close to charge.

  
  
  Except magic is good where it's at.
  
  Magic has good Aoe (Blaze) for the cost of casting time, which isn't even alot. Asking for a shorter time shouldn't be done.
  When the enemy gets too close, that's when you use shockwave or windmill. Pretty simple.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-12-11 14:42

  Quote from ironwoman;1256762:

  Except magic is good where it's at.
  
  Magic has good Aoe (Blaze) for the cost of casting time, which isn't even alot. Asking for a shorter time shouldn't be done.
  When the enemy gets too close, that's when you use shockwave or windmill. Pretty simple.

  
  
  Plus Firebolt deals really good damage if you stack your cards right (Able to easily hit 30k firebolts these days). Also with the druid skills, magic got a pretty nice boost imo. As now your adv magics won't go to waste and you can charge a safe distance away if you prefer to stay a safe distance from your foes and packs a really nice punch when you do hit with it.
• Zeo wrote on 2014-12-11 15:05

  Quote from ironwoman;1256762:

  Except magic is good where it's at.
  
  Magic has good Aoe (Blaze) for the cost of casting time, which isn't even alot. Asking for a shorter time shouldn't be done.
  When the enemy gets too close, that's when you use shockwave or windmill. Pretty simple.

  
  
  Agreed. Maybe the only thing I would change about magic, is to make Meteor Strike more viable.
  
  No one really use Meteor Strike because of 30 minute cooldown, that cooldown length is way too absurdly long. Plus not to mention, we can deal more damage than what Meteor (including critical) can do within like 1 minute too... lol. I'd just change it so it have 15 minutes cooldown or something like that.
  
  Other than being off-topic.
  
  I'm still praying that they'll give a way for the elves to dual-wield so they can learn the dual wield mastery, which would leave the racial gap the same instead of increasing the gap even further..
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-12-11 15:16

  Quote from Zeo;1256806:

  Agreed. Maybe the only thing I would change about magic, is to make Meteor Strike more viable.
  
  No one really use Meteor Strike because of 30 minute cooldown, that cooldown length is way too absurdly long. Plus not to mention, we can deal more damage than what Meteor (including critical) can do within like 1 minute too... lol. I'd just change it so it have 15 minutes cooldown or something like that.
  
  Other than being off-topic.
  
  I'm still praying that they'll give a way for the elves to dual-wield so they can learn the dual wield mastery, which would leave the racial gap the same instead of increasing the gap even further..

  
  
  Ya Meteor Strike was a real kick in the ass. The master title is the only worthwhile thing about that skill as it's the best possible magic title you can use. Other than that, it's damage is rather lackluster for it's absurd cooldown. I seriously thought it would do a lot more than what it ended up doing.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-12-11 15:25

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1256809:

  Ya Meteor Strike was a real kick in the ass. The master title is the only worthwhile thing about that skill as it's the best possible magic title you can use. Other than that, it's damage is rather lackluster for it's absurd cooldown. I seriously thought it would do a lot more than what it ended up doing.

  
  
  I was seriously caught off guard by Meteor Strike. I fully expected a 30-minute nuke, which leads it to being situationally amazing but largely unavailable. The unfortunate reality is that Meteor Strike's cons are as expected but its attack strength is fairly mediocre.
  
  The distance-based damage reduction and triple-balance calculation really hurt its effectiveness, especially compared to Sakura Abyss and Judgement Blade.
  
  Strictly concerning offensive magic skills, Meteor Strike is the only spell that really needs a buff. Everything else is fine; improvements can always be made but they would be low priority. A reduction to 15 minutes and heavily bolstered minimum damage values across all three sections would be realistic.
  
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  A general monster buff (added stats/skills/fixed stutter) is the main priority and should be tied into improved rewards and new missions/better dungeons.
  
  It's also about time archery got some love. Elves have been getting beaten up for a long time. Elf and Human archers definitely deserve a new skill and buffs to existing ones. Fuck everyone who complains about accuracy issues, with the exception of those who fault Elf Ranged Attack; those complaints are justified.
• Friggerton wrote on 2014-12-11 19:58

  Quote from Kapra;1256348:

  Prior to this update, the Human-Elf Dex gap (excluding level/age stats), was very tiny. A 14 stat difference, elves had 14 more dex than humans. After this update, the gap is even smaller, but now it is in favor of humans, by 8 dex.

  
  
  And they still haven't removed the huge dex reduction from heavy armors that elves have, unless I'm reading this thread incorrectly.
• Elleanior wrote on 2014-12-11 20:03

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1256804:

  Plus Firebolt deals really good damage if you stack your cards right (Able to easily hit 30k firebolts these days). Also with the druid skills, magic got a pretty nice boost imo. As now your adv magics won't go to waste and you can charge a safe distance away if you prefer to stay a safe distance from your foes and packs a really nice punch when you do hit with it.

  
  
  Ignoring the fact that you're endgame, you're right. Magic is fairly okay where it's at.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-12-11 22:19

  Quote from Friggerton;1256836:

  And they still haven't removed the huge dex reduction from heavy armors that elves have, unless I'm reading this thread incorrectly.

  
  
  The point is that Elves shouldn't really wear heavy armor.
• Zekkii wrote on 2014-12-12 02:05
  I certainly don't find magic underpowered, but I'd like to see some changes to make it quicker/more active. As it is right now it's only worth doing max charges for all skills, anything else is pointless. Also magic weapon mastery made it so bolts without wands are even more useless than before. What are we really doing?
  
  1. Spamming CC+4 firebolt
  2. Setting up blaze with puppets
  3. Spamming snapcast/5 charge intermediate magic
  
  In the past people used bolts within other skillsets/weaponry, people used blaze in melee combos/non-crisis, and intermediate magic was used at less charges because of time constraints, mana costs, and for controlling effects. You see this happen with a lot of sets though, mainly because of intense controlling effects like crisis, summon effects, rain clouds, and now aggro-drop skills as well as OHKO across the board.
  
  I think we should pay more attention to nerfing these heavy controlling effects rather than buffing every skill to compete for the OHKO arms race.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2014-12-12 03:42

  In the past people used bolts within other skillsets/weaponry, people used blaze in melee combos/non-crisis, and intermediate magic was used at less charges because of time constraints, mana costs, and for controlling effects. You see this happen with a lot of sets though, mainly because of intense controlling effects like crisis, summon effects, rain clouds, and now aggro-drop skills as well as OHKO across the board.

  
  
  I think bolts without wands should be useless - to make it useful would require a massive playstyle reversion that would probably kill the game. Melee blaze was kind of eschewed for IS + Blaze very quickly, it was just a tad impractical in the era of Mana evap. And spamming low charge magic was never ideal, and that was a huge reason why magic fell by the wayside - you needed 5 charges to even compete damagewise.
  
  II think in general we should be looking forwards for new ideas for improving the game, not looking back to a time when the game was worse than it is now.
• Kapra wrote on 2014-12-12 11:33

  Quote from Elleanior;1256838:

  Ignoring the fact that you're endgame, you're right. Magic is fairly okay where it's at.

  
  Just because someone is "end game" does not disqualify them from being an advocate for a cause that might not apply to them.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-12-14 00:26
  Update
  
  Info on the following:
  
  - New sword
  - New 1H axes
  - New 1H blunts
  - New 2H axes
  - New 2H blunts
  
  Humans can wield the 2H axes/blunts.
  
  The Celtic Royal Knight Sword apparently has three set effects that increase critical damage, bash damage, and reduce durability loss.
  
  Bash can now be used alongside other skills.
  
  Axe debuff duration raised to 22 seconds.
  
  Sword Mastery now gives STR instead of DEX.