Mabinogi Renovation Update

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Zekkii wrote on 2014-12-07 08:13

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You have no fucking idea how true this is.

Can I use it in my sig?

Sure, use it as much as you want.
Zeo wrote on 2014-12-07 08:38

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I've prepared a graph to summarize my feelings on the subjects covered, here's the lowest 15% of it:

[Image: http://i.imgur.com/fC5T5d7.png]

So basically, you decided to mock my opinions by making the graph? Where did I said that we're weak?

And as for archery with elves, only good thing they have is the magnum shot. Mirage missile and Final shot kinda sucks compared to Arrow revolver that humans get, lol. Other than that... Is it actually confirmed we'll get dual wield mastery for elves?
Zekkii wrote on 2014-12-07 09:30

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So basically, you decided to mock my opinions by making the graph? Where did I said that we're weak?

What does the graph have to do with you?
SUNFLARE wrote on 2014-12-07 09:44

We better get dual wield Im getting tired of being shafted
Tropa wrote on 2014-12-07 10:02

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We better get dual wield Im getting tired of being shafted

>mfw when dual guns and whatever are still gonna be top-tier.
SUNFLARE wrote on 2014-12-07 10:05

MFW?
Tropa wrote on 2014-12-07 10:09

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MFW?

My-Face-When.
Entia wrote on 2014-12-07 21:43

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[Image: http://i.imgur.com/fC5T5d7.png]

As 12k elfscum I agree with this image in it's statement that all the races are pretty much the same endgame, the mobs are stupidly weak, and that there's zero endgame content in mabinogi.

Also to pink text elf guy, elves are the only race that can crash shot from horseback in tail 2, if you pay to win hard enough to 1 shot them noncrit and shoot point blank no other race can grind money as fast so feel good about your choice of race and open your wallet for those fine reforges and black dragon hearts.

In response to combat revamp: about time, but also revamp everything else and add difficult content pls devcat, game is too easy and repetitive in its current state. I, and surely the rest of the playerbase, can only do ma/conflict/tail2 for so many >YEARS< before wanting to run something new and different sadly.
Tropa wrote on 2014-12-07 21:53

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In response to combat revamp: about time, but also revamp everything else and add difficult content pls devcat, game is too easy and repetitive in its current state. I, and surely the rest of the playerbase, can only do ma/conflict/tail2 for so many >YEARS< before wanting to run something new and different sadly.

It's like, we understand eachother on some cosmic level.

I'm sick of MA, haven't touched it in a good 5 months or so and Conflict/tail2 are, as you said, repetitive.

...Would it kill them to plug in 1 or 2 new missions each update or something? it couldn't be that hard.
Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-12-08 14:45

Okay guys, I see there is a lot of questions and I can't answer them all by myself. Plus my KR Test Client has been acting up lately. Last time I tried to check something out it crashed on me :(

But I'm going to try and get the team organized again, we are very disorganized atm as we don't have anyone rallying is up and I've been lethargic lately so haven't been there to get people organized.

I do notice that the Test Server has 3 new Close Combat skills that I want to get info on and showcase on a live stream on next Saturday (C6 comes out this week). As well as several new enchants. I'm going to try and get Teto to data mine the data for those and present those to you guys later this week.

I thank you for your guys patience and hope that we can continue to serve you.
Tetosan wrote on 2014-12-09 00:58

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You have no fucking idea how true this is.

Can I use it in my sig?

[Image: http://puu.sh/dmS27/62de2da60d.png]

*walks away looking completly innocent*
Entia wrote on 2014-12-09 04:33

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[Image: http://puu.sh/dmS27/62de2da60d.png]

If only the vast majority monsters (namely the ones in things worth actually running) didn't die in a single act 7/shooting rush/kunai storm/crash shot even without the reforges people are so quick to scapegoat and maybe had a bit of variation in their AI and skill usages. I don't really think it has to do with the "well your stats are just too high" argument I get a lot either, seeing as most of the people I see in parties when running dailies etc. even with 1.5~k cp are steamrolling the monsters too, reforges or not. It might come off as complaining to some people but I'm still hoping that they add some more challenging content to the game and make it worth running along with these revamp patches because despite all of the power creep they've given us (eg 232 more str off ninja) we're still fighting the same old two shadow archers that just run around mindlessly and spam magnum shot across the room from each other while the wizard spams firebolts that do 1 damage even with no armor on.

I did giggle a bit at monsters initially complaining more than elves on that chart though.
Tetosan wrote on 2014-12-09 12:46

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If only the vast majority monsters (namely the ones in things worth actually running) didn't die in a single act 7/shooting rush/kunai storm/crash shot even without the reforges people are so quick to scapegoat and maybe had a bit of variation in their AI and skill usages. I don't really think it has to do with the "well your stats are just too high" argument I get a lot either, seeing as most of the people I see in parties when running dailies etc. even with 1.5~k cp are steamrolling the monsters too, reforges or not. It might come off as complaining to some people but I'm still hoping that they add some more challenging content to the game and make it worth running along with these revamp patches because despite all of the power creep they've given us (eg 232 more str off ninja) we're still fighting the same old two shadow archers that just run around mindlessly and spam magnum shot across the room from each other while the wizard spams firebolts that do 1 damage even with no armor on.

I did giggle a bit at monsters initially complaining more than elves on that chart though.

XD it was meant as a joke tho.
But i really noticed that after the release of Reforges the complaining about Content being way too easy became a major thing.
I don't really feel like stuff's too easy for me, but i'm a Casual player.
If i have reforges i either bought the Item with them or reforged it using Reforges given out from Events
I also rarely Enchant, most of my things have Alby Normal Enchants IF any XD

And yes..... i'm a Warrior (currently training Magic) so.... maybe i'll join the Club after these Updates.... I'm not entirely sure but Bash seems to make anything that does not have Heavy Stander and does not use Counter to be easy food since i noticed, the only 2 ways to break out of a Bash cycle for mobs is either using Counter or having Heavy Stander....
Else they'll stunned too long and get the next bash into their faces right after....

I'm just really tired of people attacking elves when previous to the Power Creep Classes (STR-DEX, STR-Will, STR-INT) the Humans and Giants were the ones complaining they're too weak.
Entia wrote on 2014-12-09 13:56

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XD it was meant as a joke tho.

I took it as one don't worry if you think I was offended by it or something.

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But i really noticed that after the release of Reforges the complaining about Content being way too easy became a major thing.
I don't really feel like stuff's too easy for me, but i'm a Casual player.
If i have reforges i either bought the Item with them or reforged it using Reforges given out from Events
I also rarely Enchant, most of my things have Alby Normal Enchants IF any XD

That pretty much sums up my reforges and gear too, I go around with fox+wild boar on purple hearts, cold-hearted+raven g15 gloves, oblivion dex kaito I snagged up for 500k, although my light armor has some decent enchants on it boiling cause I yolo'd it and 15 max darkness that I got rng'd at me from doing giant gator with my gf when she still played. Oh yah and I have some fox+butterfly karis shoes that saw a lot of use before ms nerf, but now days I just use some chinese dragon boots with color on them to go with auto on my bad dowras.

Weapon wise, engineers, untamed, and violent basically sums them up, nothing fancy like conq+croc or officer's. As for reforges I've got rain cooldown on some pre-r1 shamaness shoes that I abused the joe chest event for when it was running, lightning 5 on r6 champion knuckles I bought for 15m, act 7 dmg 5 on some jeweled bars that I use in elites sometimes instead of my beginner basics. What I have spent a lot on reforging though is my s6 savage ice wand, I dropped a good 30~ mil on it to get matk 20+IS max 6, though I admittedly only really blaze with it. On the other hand the weapons I use most, my taunes, beginner bars, and anju shurikens just have npc reforges on them.

With that in mind, here's a screenshot of my character screen with my taunes on. with a 27.80% overture off my andante lyre (I don't own a gloomy).

So there's where I'm coming from on the easy content matter, nothing really amazing in gear, and nothing I really use in day to day sm runs in reforges, and not quite endgame stats either.

Quote from Tetosan;1256647:
I'm just really tired of people attacking elves when previous to the Power Creep Classes (STR-DEX, STR-Will, STR-INT) the Humans and Giants were the ones complaining they're too weak.

As someone who mains an elf, I understand the "we should have a best skillset" argument, and feel it's a bit unfair how giants got a buff to melee skills over humans but elves' range is pretty much the same save mag cooldown. But I do notice a lot of elves are just whiny about being "weak" when the reality is the endgames aren't a whole lot different, and elves have the best single target dps endgame (endgame as in cap stats best gear/enchants/reforges, a true and honest mabimon master) with mag spam, and what really gets me is when people claim giants are overpowered but if they took the time to look at the endgame stats they would realize giants actually fall off pretty hard and have less aoe (puppet+shooter) damage than humans, and don't have a single target dps skillset that can keep up with elfmag. Although something that's come up a lot in discussions I've had with people about race differences, stats, endgame, etc. is the fact all the monsters die just the same regardless of race around mid-late game in character development anyways due to lack of high-leveled content.

On a more related note to the topic, well I guess "stuff I'd like to see in the updates" is related but, dual wielding for elves sounds pretty hot, especially if they're going to let us dw axes, I'm looking forward to hearing more about that.

Edit: Sorry for the novel up there, didn't realize I typed so much LOL.
Tetosan wrote on 2014-12-09 16:07

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On a more related note to the topic, well I guess "stuff I'd like to see in the updates" is related but, dual wielding for elves sounds pretty hot, especially if they're going to let us dw axes, I'm looking forward to hearing more about that.

Sadyl they don't yet.... i hear there's rumors about Giants with dual swords which made some of my friends consider buying two 2-handers but.... till that actually happens i'm not believing it XD

As of currently Elves can't dual wield anything useful, Humans still only have swords and Giants seem to be restricted to Blunts still.

We'll see what happens in the Weapon Update since they teaser Elves being able to use Two-handed Axes.... but if that happens is another topic (much like Giant-Bows never happened, Elf-AR never happened and Elf-Lances never happened xD)

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