Mabinogi Renovation Update

• Yoru wrote on 2014-12-06 05:53
  So overall not so much goodness for a 2h user. I didn't really think there would be anything for scythes to stop being fashion weapons but it would've been nice.
• Daakun wrote on 2014-12-06 06:10

  Dual Weapon Mastery
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  * 22 Luck Increase when Ranked all the way to Rank 1

  
  
  Luck used to be the only stat every race had in equal amounts. You could say elves aren't very lucky. [RIGHT][SIZE="1"](I'll see myself out)[/SIZE][/RIGHT]
• Zeo wrote on 2014-12-06 07:13
  Are elves able to use dual-wield now? If not, I am not interested in the update because elves get the short end of the stick once again. At least allow the elves to dual-wield the daggers in order to let the elves learn that mastery.
  
  Way to go, devCat... =_=;
• Tropa wrote on 2014-12-06 07:21
  Well, I want that 2H mallet.
  
  
  
  Time to save up red upgrade stones.
• Oberynn wrote on 2014-12-06 07:22

  Quote from Daakun;1256328:

  Luck used to be the only stat every race had in equal amounts. You could say elves aren't very lucky. [RIGHT][SIZE="1"](I'll see myself out)[/SIZE][/RIGHT]

  
  
  But dual weapon mastery gives 22 dex, not 22 luck.
  
  Besides, seeing as they announced elves would able to use the new 2h weapons it wouldn't be surprising if they could also dual-wield the new 1h weapons or get access to the dual mastery some other way.
  
  Also, luck is NOT the only stat every race has in equal amounts as humans get like 2 more base luck to start and are able to get 0.25 more luck via leveling at age 10.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-12-06 08:28
  Hey look, they released Dual Weapon Mastery.
  
  That means only Dagger Mastery is left from the destiny update.
• Kapra wrote on 2014-12-06 08:38
  Prior to this update, the Human-Elf Dex gap (excluding level/age stats), was very tiny. A 14 stat difference, elves had 14 more dex than humans. After this update, the gap is even smaller, but now it is in favor of humans, by 8 dex.
• Zeo wrote on 2014-12-06 08:48

  Quote from Kapra;1256348:

  Prior to this update, the Human-Elf Dex gap (excluding level/age stats), was very tiny. A 14 stat difference, elves had 14 more dex than humans. After this update, the gap is even smaller, but now it is in favor of humans, by 8 dex.

  
  
  Which is why I find this update bullshit. DevCat just keep forgetting about the elves or making us worse compared to other two races.
  
  We better get some archery and magic update in return that will make elves finally better.
• Kapra wrote on 2014-12-06 10:34
  I'm not necessarily against this update. I like them finally paying attention to melee, and I like some of the new things and changes they made, like Bash, the Final Hit update, letting you run with Defense with a Shield. (Even though running faster while carrying something makes no sense.) But there are some changes I don't like, like Assault slash being an AoE. And some changes that are just why, like the Smash debuffs.
  
  The thing that bothers me about this is, they might not be, but it seems that they're making things up as they go. Undoing changes they make every other update. And they're not being very specific. Let me remind you that easter baskets count as a sword. Purses and umbrellas count as blunt weapons. Gathering tolls count as melee weapons. BUT Scythes don't count as melee weapons? (We haven't tested this but I'm 90% sure of it.) Combat wands don't count as melee weapons? And they don't really seem to understand balancing. They keep having to rebalance things, and when they look at balance they look at it in short term. They don't consider how the changes they make will change the game when accumulated with everything else, at least I don't think they do.
  
  But what I do like is that the stats they do add are tiny amounts. New skills lately seem to be huge amounts of str, huge amounts of stamina, huge amounts of health. If every skill gives a huge amount then this game will get- I'm not sure if I want to say Easy, OP, poorly planned. Having skills that all three races can rank and that give tiny amounts of stats, 1~10, is good in my eye.
  
  Melee, and imo to a greater degree Archery, need something like this and it needs to be planned well.
• Zeo wrote on 2014-12-06 11:32
  I'm only against this update because it made elves even more useless since they can't dual wield leaving humans and giants to be more powerful, and they even made humans better with archery due to 22 dex from the dual wield mastery that the elves couldn't get because they fucking couldn't dual wield.
  
  Changes I'd do is so elves can dual wield certain weapons such as daggers, scimitar, axe weapons, and few more to 'balance' the races out by making the gap same instead of making it worse.
• Elleanior wrote on 2014-12-06 12:31
  Honestly, most of these "elfs get screwed over qq" discussions effectively boil down to endgame stats. How much of the population does that majorly effect? Less than 10%.
  
  I get that you're upset about elves having nothing special going for them, it doesn't even bloody well matter.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-12-06 13:58
  Man, can I just say I'm a huge fan of some of the login screens that Mabinogi puts out. This is KR's latest one:
  
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/dji3y/f1547a0503.jpg]

  
  
  
  HNNNG!
• Zeo wrote on 2014-12-06 14:36

  Quote from Elleanior;1256358:

  Honestly, most of these "elfs get screwed over qq" discussions effectively boil down to endgame stats. How much of the population does that majorly effect? Less than 10%.
  
  I get that you're upset about elves having nothing special going for them, it doesn't even bloody well matter.

  
  
  Did you even see all of my posts concerning about elves? It's not about their stats but about things where they don't have a single thing that they are 'best' with, since humans are already more than on par with the elves in term of archery and magic. Heck, elves even had to spend more APs on few of the archery and magic skills and they get same benefit that humans get and humans had to spend less APs.
• Jake wrote on 2014-12-06 15:28

  Quote from Zeo;1256355:

  I'm only against this update because it made elves even more useless since they can't dual wield leaving humans and giants to be more powerful, and they even made humans better with archery due to 22 dex from the dual wield mastery that the elves couldn't get because they fucking couldn't dual wield.
  
  Changes I'd do is so elves can dual wield certain weapons such as daggers, scimitar, axe weapons, and few more to 'balance' the races out by making the gap same instead of making it worse.

  
  
  
  If it makes you feel better, supposedly (according to translations within my circle of friends) elves can dual wield some of the new weapons that come with this update (such as the blunt weapons) and use dual wield mastery as well.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-12-06 17:40

  Quote from Kapra;1256352:

  BUT Scythes don't count as melee weapons? (We haven't tested this but I'm 90% sure of it.) Combat wands don't count as melee weapons?

  
  
  Scythes don't count as swords, no. Combat wands are w/e.
  
  
  I'm iffy about the existence of a melee-shockwave skill, especially since it stuns instead of knockdowns, plus it makes enemies weak to melee damage. That basically means more survivability and free damage.
  
  Anyway questions to KR Testers:
  -Are the new skills affected by close combat talent? IIRC the new director pushed talents aside or something.
  -How bad is Bash as KR players claim?
  -Does Rage Impact debuff apply to ALL melee weapons (lance, puppet, dischord, etc) or just swords/axes/blunts?
  -Does the Defense walk with shield apply to ineffective shields and guard cylinders?
  
  [video=youtube;uiEag0hf0XM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiEag0hf0XM[/video]
  
  Bash Testing
  
  [video=youtube;VvSMEzSa_Ng]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvSMEzSa_Ng[/video]
  
  Bash Dual Wielding
  
  [video=youtube;uQtrfnUeUD8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQtrfnUeUD8[/video]
  
  Rage Impact Testing
  
  [video=youtube;WbKS33SyecM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKS33SyecM[/video]
  
  Defense running and Counterattack walking
  
  [video=youtube;mC_F21TuVVE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC_F21TuVVE[/video]
  
  Final Hit Testing