[Mabinogi-KR] Renovation: Close Combat Updates (Consolidated and Organized)

• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-11 04:05

  Quote from Darkboy132;1260720:

  -When is Bash situationally useful?

  
  
  1. Bash doesn't cockblock, unlike Smash.
  2. Bash stuns enemies for 4.5 seconds per hit, which is very impressive.
  3. Bash is much more powerful when used with fast weapons. It caps at 300% damage x2 at a faster rate than Smash.
  
  [SPOILER="Very Slow"][video=youtubeold;FuxQoSyFgT0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuxQoSyFgT0[/video][/SPOILER]
  [SPOILER="Very Fast"][video=youtubeold;RIBqXslsuIE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIBqXslsuIE[/video][/SPOILER]
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-11 04:11

  Quote from Kaeporo;1260728:

  1. Bash doesn't cockblock, unlike Smash.
  2. Bash stuns enemies for 4.5 seconds per hit, which is very impressive.
  3. Bash is much more powerful when used with fast weapons. It caps at 300% damage x2 at a faster rate than Smash.
  
  [SPOILER="Very Slow"][video=youtubeold;FuxQoSyFgT0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuxQoSyFgT0[/video][/SPOILER]
  [SPOILER="Very Fast"][video=youtubeold;RIBqXslsuIE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIBqXslsuIE[/video][/SPOILER]

  
  
  If it's that much better than Smash couldn't they just have replaced Smash's mechanics with this? e-e
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-01-11 07:02

  Quote from Darkboy132;1260729:

  If it's that much better than Smash couldn't they just have replaced Smash's mechanics with this? e-e

  
  
  What..? Why? Smash knocks things away from you and leads into assault slash, as well as giving you distance if you need it. Bash simply stuns something and requires it to be hit multiple times in a row for the max dmg. Smash may take a bit, but it's a very high hit all at once that can lead into another attack, or give you the distance you need at the time to prepare.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-11 08:07

  Quote from Slayerj;1260744:

  What..? Why? Smash knocks things away from you and leads into assault slash, as well as giving you distance if you need it. Bash simply stuns something and requires it to be hit multiple times in a row for the max dmg. Smash may take a bit, but it's a very high hit all at once that can lead into another attack, or give you the distance you need at the time to prepare.

  
  
  I think the way it'll play out is that most people will opt for Bash when duel-wielding and Smash when using slower two-handed weapons. I mean, it makes total sense. The Celtic Royal Knight Sword gives critical damage and Bash damage bonuses.
  
  Two-handed:
  600~828% Smash VS 300% Bash, at roughly the same rate
  - Modifers: Two-handed (x1.2), Racial (x1.2), Set Effect (x1.15)
  
  One-handed:
  500~575% Smash VS 600~690% Bash, at a slightly faster rate (accounting for both hits)
  - Modifiers: Duel-wield (+1 hit), Set Effect (x1.15)
• Fracture wrote on 2015-01-11 09:25
  Can Bash be used with any melee weapon? If so, how does it work out for things like knuckles?
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-11 10:04

  Quote from Kaeporo;1260746:

  I think the way it'll play out is that most people will opt for Bash when duel-wielding and Smash when using slower two-handed weapons. I mean, it makes total sense. The Celtic Royal Knight Sword gives critical damage and Bash damage bonuses.

  
  
  Blah... I dunno this doesn't sit right with me to have two 1:1 skills like this.
  
  

  Quote from Fracture;1260751:

  Can Bash be used with any melee weapon? If so, how does it work out for things like knuckles?

  
  
  Sword, blunt, and axe only. Same with Rage Impact.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-11 11:41

  Quote from Fracture;1260751:

  Can Bash be used with any melee weapon? If so, how does it work out for things like knuckles?

  
  New definition of melee weapon, anything that benefits from Sword, Axe, or Blunt Mastery (no exception found as far as I know). Meaning Knuckles, Control Bars, and even Lances do not count. Presumably things like Scythes that do not benefit from a mastery also are not considered melee weapons.
• Lolguy12 wrote on 2015-01-14 01:26
  upon snooping around youtube i found a video of what i can guess as a mid-level korean mabinogi player who throughout the video used skills like charge, final hit, and rage impact
  [video=youtube;fSvQoqkdytQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSvQoqkdytQ[/video]
  
  after awhile i found this next video as well
  [video=youtube;I9mNBwlz-Xc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9mNBwlz-Xc[/video]
  
  i believe the swords being used are the celtic dual blades i was also able to notice the usage of rage impact in the video above as well
• Lolguy12 wrote on 2015-01-25 08:41
  as well as final hit being used in this coil abyss run
  [video=youtube;btSJp5BFWi4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btSJp5BFWi4[/video]
  as with the previous post i believe the blades used were R upgraded celtic blades
  
  [video=youtube;SRGERqKBkw4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRGERqKBkw4[/video]
  sulfer spider run above
  
  [video=youtube;QkHDRgRIzoM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkHDRgRIzoM[/video]
  and the video above this display final hit in martial arts tournament
  
  if you want to see more of the fh testing their channel is
  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyUlVFajQxBQ4Ms3cqUsZcA/feed
  
  and if i may add from what i could tell from all those videos the scariest thing i noticed was the overture wasnt needed
• Owlski wrote on 2015-01-27 08:18
  I haven't been able to find out anything on this yet, and was hoping perhaps you Korean test players could help answer a burning question I've had.
  
  What's the repair cost per point of those celtic swords at 98%?
  
  This answer has either eluded me, or there isn't any info on it yet. >~<
  
  
  P.S.
  Just saw those videos you posted Lolguy, and that is some scary/crazy damage.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-01-27 08:21

  Quote from Owlski;1263188:

  I haven't been able to find out anything on this yet, and was hoping perhaps you Korean test players could help answer a burning question I've had.
  
  What's the repair cost per point of those celtic swords at 98%?
  
  This answer has either eluded me, or there isn't any info on it yet. >~<

  
  
  Oooh. I would like to ask something similar as well.
  
  What is the repair cost per point on 98% for Tri-Bolt celtic wand?
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-01-27 08:57

  Quote from Owlski;1263188:

  I haven't been able to find out anything on this yet, and was hoping perhaps you Korean test players could help answer a burning question I've had.
  
  What's the repair cost per point of those celtic swords at 98%?
  
  This answer has either eluded me, or there isn't any info on it yet. >~<
  

  
  
  Appears to actually be 17428 per repair point
  
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/f5Ntv/4ee629deab.png]

  
  
  Seriously wtf devcat...
• Daniel1235 wrote on 2015-01-27 09:49

  Swords: Cause bleeding damage every 5 seconds

  
  
  Does a duration exists, and how much damage is done?
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-01-27 09:53

  Quote from Daniel1235;1263197:

  Does a duration exists, and how much damage is done?

  
  
  Woops that should be for 5 seconds (5 Second duration).
  
  As for damage on adv/hard shadow missions it was doing 53 every second consistently...
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-27 10:02

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1263199:

  Woops that should be for 5 seconds (5 Second duration). As for damage, not sure actually...

  
  
  20% base damage per second, over five seconds.
  
  Let's say you Smash an enemy using a sword. You'll deal 500% damage with a 50% chance (Human) of dealing another 100% damage.
  
  2H Smash deals ~850% average damage, factoring in R6 critical hits. Bleeding damage raises this to ~900% for an effective damage bonus of 5% over pre-upgrade Smash.
  
  Dual swords
  (5(Average Base Damage+1.5*0.3*Max Damage))+(0.5*0.2*5 *Base Damage) or ~775% average damage.
  
  Dual R6 Celtic Royal Knight Swords w/Thames Set
  
  (5.75(Average Base Damage+2.41*0.3*Max Damage))+(0.5*0.2*5 *Base Damage) or ~1040% average damage.
  
  2H R6 Sword w/Thames Set
  (6.9(Average Base Damage+2.12*0.3*Max Damage))+(0.5*0.2*5 *Base Damage) or ~1170% average damage.
  
  Bash (using Dual R6 Celtic Royal Knight Swords)
  2(3.45(Average Base Damage+2.41*0.3*Max Damage)) or ~1190% average damage.
  
  In summation,
  
  x2 Smash < 2H Smash < x2 Bash << Lance Smash <<<< Final Hit