List of Story Plot Holes / Unanswered Questions

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Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-12-29 10:25
^ List the storyline plot holes and/or unanswered questions you've found, and if possible try to answer them.

[SPOILER="z"]Generation 1:
- Which warrior received what part of the curse from Morgant?
- How was Shiela able to see through Cichol's disguise?
- Whatever happened to Shiela afterward?
Generation 2:
- None.
Generation 3:
- Tarlach was supposed to be sealed in Sidhe Sneachta and was unable to leave or he would die. How'd he get out?
- How did Ruairi see Nao when he didn't take the Holy Potion?
- If Cromm Cruaich was depicted as EVIL, why is he helping us?
Generation 7:
- I never did G7 so I have no idea what went wrong, if anything.
Generation 8:
- How did the Memory Tower affect Kelpie, a human, when it's supposed to affect Tuatha de Danann ELVES ONLY?
Generation 9:
- Why the hell does our character forget who Cichol is?
Generation 10:
- What's with the connection between Elatha and Morgant?
Generation 11:
- So how in the world did Cai come back, when he died and shit in G9 and 10?
Generation 12:
- Who's the Fourth Vate?
- How did Cichol resurrect from the dead?
Generation 13:
- None.
Generation 14:
- None.
Generation 15:
- IIRC Shakespeare's Journal implies that the children of the Partholon became the Tuatha de Danann. However, Tarlach's Record says they're foreigners to Erinn?
- Shakespeare's Journal Page 16 depicts Morrighan and Cichol fighting. However, in G11 Python Knight says that they worked TOGETHER to eradicate the Partholons, which occurs in Page 24 of Journal.
- Shakespeare said Grim Reaper and Bran DIED. How'd they come back?
Generation 16:
- How is there Scathach x Owen, how did Scathach get cursed, blah blah etc etc.
- How the fucking hell did Triona die?
- How the fuck did Morrighan/Bella get a hold of Lugh?
- Weren't Tara folks possessed before Lugh kicked Eirawen out of Tara? Why aren't they possessed anymore in Secret Meeting?
- Who the fuck is Bella, where the fuck did she come from, does she even have a proper backstory BEFORE meeting Shakespeare? All I got from Cichol was that she's some bitch whose power rivals the Milletian's.
- Who's the fourth Guardian of Avon?
- Eirawen says Lugh's weapon is Pragarah. However, he gave it to Ruairi in Generation 3, so how did he get it back?
Generation 17:
- What's with that scene where Millia knocks Shamala unconscious?
Saga 1 Episode 1:
- Why are elves and giants guarding the Mysterious Karu Forest Ruins?
- What's this "Finest Marble" that Millia told us to get?
- What's with Digo leading us and then we suddenly become a Cessair puppet?
Saga 1 Episode 2:
- Why did our Charm do jack shit against the Cessair, when Akule had thousands of working ones?
Saga 1 Episode 3:
- Uh... So why do the Dragons obediently follow the Cessair, despite their "fun" occasionally being ruined by them?
Saga 1 Episode 4:
- Was Millia really able to make a Charm from the materials that Akule tricked us into getting? He said that they had other uses.
Saga 1 Episode 5:
- Eh...
Saga 1 Episode 6:
- What the fuck happened to Millia's daddy after?
Saga 1 Episode 7:
- Why the fuck does our character have no actual reaction to Akule's return?
Saga 1 Side Story:
- [S]If Tuatha de Danann can't fucking age, why does Tarlach's Record say so? Why are so many characters depicted as young?[/S]
- How the fuck did Ruairi/Tarlach get into the Soul Stream?
- So if Tuatha de Danann get rapid aging by coming into contact with the Soul Stream, why didn't Cai show any difference in age and appearance?
Saga 1 Episode 8:
- How in the fucking hell did Tarlach learn Gods were a bunch of B.S.?
- How do people know of Tarlach's existence, when he isolated himself into Sidhe Sneachta?
- How was Tarlach able to get to the Soul Stream and fuck it up?
- How the fuck did Tarlach/Ruairi meet the Cessair?
Saga 1 Episode 9:
- What's this Tree of Life and Golden Apple thingy that Tarlach is talking about?
- The thing with Ruairi confronting Gael... it just abruptly ends. What happened after? He clearly aged in that Episode 6 RP so he must have left, gone to the soul stream, and came back?
- What the fuck did Ruairi do to Adniel?
- How does Tarlach have Lia Fail in his possession?
Saga 1 Episode 10:
- How did Macha get resurrected, when the ritual was interrupted?
- What the hell did Tarlach meant by "stop the demons" when we attack Lia Fail?
- The hell did Tarlach "understand" before defeating Macha?
- ... Why does Macha look a lot like Heart?
- Is the Soul Stream still a hellhole?
Saga 2 Prologue:
- ...
Saga 2 Episode 1:
- Where the fuck did Culinary Artist disappear to?
- Why the fuck is there a Possessed Neid? It looked nothing like the "demons" that the Cessair controlled, especially with the weird symbol on its back.
- Didn't J clearly say he was going to carry the church donations? How the fuck are they blaming Merlin when his grubby hands weren't near them?
- How the fuck does Aodhan FORGET US when he clearly remember us in G16?
Saga 2 Episode 2:
- Where the fuck did Starlet and J disappear to?
- J says he owes us a favor, but will that ever get repaid?
- Exactly what the fuck was Tarlach having nightmares about?
- What's with the very crude drawing that Tarlach had after he disappeared?
- Why the fuck is there a Possessed Crumena, especially after he DIED in G8?
Saga 2 Episode 3:
- Whatever happened to the Fomor Bandits, Languhiris, etc.?
- Just what reason did the Cessair have to kill the Spanish mafia?
- What's with the connection between TH and Shamala?
- How did the Book of Bith react to Millia and what the hell was she referring to?
- Weren't the Cessair at Renes? How are they taking off from Sulfur Pits?
Saga 2 Episode 4:
- What was the point of disguising Pinky when it did literally nothing but confuse Merlin?
- Why is there a portal placed in Metus?
- Just what was that labyrinth before Nemeton?
Saga 2 Episode 5:
- Just what is Nemeton?
- How the fuck did Cessair knock us unconscious, when we HAVE THE FUCKING CHARM?!
- Why did Neamhain banish the Cessair?
- What the hell happened to Pincara, where the Cessair exiled themselves to?
- Who was the "savior of prophecy" the Cessair found when returning to Erinn?
- How did Birren get into Pincara?
- How does Merlin know of a God Fragment?
- How did Tarlach get the "God Fragment" inside him?
- So if Dian's magic doesn't affect Milletians, how is it that her minion's magic does?
Saga 2 Episode 6:
- Milletian: "The child will be sacrificed either way." How in the world do we know the contents of the ritual, and why would we still be pushing forward if we knew that would happen?
- So... is Merlin part of the Alban Knights or not? If he is, he clearly broke one of their oaths and I hope the knights send him down to hell.
Generation 19:
- Didn't they say Marcan was captured by the Alban Knights? How is he with the other Prophets then?
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Kaeporo wrote on 2014-12-29 11:16

I can't think of any specific plot holes but I question the massive number of characters who once stood in the spotlight only to fade away entirely.

I don't remember a whole lot about the Shakespeare/Bella parts of G16. Saga 1/2 also made very close to zero sense.

Also, obligatory "Millia is a fucking bitch."
Slayerj wrote on 2014-12-29 11:22

With G19, I guess they either meant to bring it up, or will explain in the next part, or they just broke him out on his way back. Those three together aren't exactly pushovers.
Chiyuri wrote on 2014-12-29 11:45

For G9, originaly speaking some parts of the storyline were ment for human who had gone through G1-2-3 while other parts where ment for elves/giants who did G7-8. But in the end the developers just put all the parts togeter and let any race do them all.. of course a few holes remain...
Zeo wrote on 2014-12-29 14:59

I remember they was originally going to have four type of Guardian of Avons, why did they only show three? in Chapter 4 (G13 to G16?).
Elleanior wrote on 2014-12-30 01:56

G9:
-Why on earth was Andras (an ELF) in Uladh before Iria was discovered?
-Also, what's with that picture of her, Castanea, and Hagel?
-How on earth does power transferring work through alchemy cylinders? It makes no fucking sense. I call bullshit on that g9 ending.

G10:
-Elatha's apparent father's race is up for debate, but most likely human (in some way or another), and his mother is a goddess. How on earth is he an incubus?
-Is Elatha actually Morgant's son, or no? Some 100% clarification would be useful, since not everybody understands his speaking style very well, and as such, it has been left under debate.
-Neamhain's Prophecy spoke of the "ill-fortuned twin", and it doesn't take a genius to figure out one of the people it refers to. Then who's the other? Triona, Lebbaeus, or someone else?
-Is Elatha left-handed? Every illustrated image depicts him left-handed, but the game does not explicitly say, and there are no left-handed animations (see Taunes, who is stated to be a lefty, but the ingame animations are all righty)
Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-12-30 02:11

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G9:
-Why on earth was Andras (an ELF) in Uladh before Iria was discovered?
-Also, what's with that picture of her, Castanea, and Hagel?

Some shit about Castanea wanting her daughter Andras to have a better life because of the memory tower and sent her to Uladh, and then somehow cut Andras's ties from the tower.
Elleanior wrote on 2014-12-30 02:13

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Some shit about Castanea wanting her daughter Andras to have a better life because of the memory tower and sent her to Uladh, and then somehow cut Andras's ties from the tower.

Was that explicitly stated anywhere? I saw it nowhere.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-12-30 02:17

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Was that explicitly stated anywhere? I saw it nowhere.

Might have said it during the sidequest? I haven't done it in a really long time so I don't remember.
Kapra wrote on 2014-12-30 03:30
Not going to bother putting this all in spoilers since this entire thread is a spoiler anyways. I also did not finish Saga 2 yet so my responses to some of these aren't taking those into account right now.
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- If Cromm Cruaich was depicted as EVIL, why is he helping us?
History is written by the victors.
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- How did the Memory Tower affect Kelpie, a human, when it's supposed to affect Tuatha de Danann ELVES ONLY?
The Memory Tower isn't actually necessary for Tuatha Elves to have, and it's not necessarily only usable on Elves. Early story describes the Memory Tower as a database of information and emotions that all the Tuatha Elves use to counter their rapid memory loss. In reality, the Memory Tower is a mind control device. Also, leaving the Memory Tower does not turn you into a Desert Ghost, the Fanatics and Castanae do. I don't remember where this all was said, maybe some of it was G7, some was G8, idr.
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- Why the hell does our character forget who Cichol is?
Elves and Giants could not do G1-3 at the time and so G9 was catering to them. Better to cater to two races than just one (as much as I hate to admit it. . .).
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- What's with the connection between Elatha and Morgant?
See below.
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Generation 12:
- None.
In G12 it was confirmed there were Four Vates of Aliech. One was Dorren, one was Lennox, one was Helveticus (Idr his spelling), and the fourth, in the images, was just a shadowy figure of a generic corrupt alchemist. It was never explained who the fourth Vate was, and no there is no confirmation that Professor J has anything to do with them.
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- Weren't Tara folks possessed before Lugh kicked Eirawen out of Tara? Why aren't they possessed anymore in Secret Meeting?
What, where did you hear that? I don't remember anything like that happening.
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- Who the fuck is Bella, where the fuck did she come from, does she even have a proper backstory BEFORE meeting Shakespeare? All I got from Cichol was that she's some bitch whose power rivals the Milletian's.
Bella was one of the artifacts that Aton Cimeni created when he created Partholon, Erinn, and the other "gods".

[Image: http://ft.trillian.im/d8946682d6c7da7bef24121282783a3ada1b2a88/6vcj3x6yCgiBhzCzoZtJJkSXncE5H.jpg]

The known artifacts so far are the Caliburn, Bella, the Heart of Courcle, and Lia Fail/Tree of Life. Not sure if all the artifacts are alive, but the Caliburn is alive and so is Bella, and it's possible the Lia Fail is also alive since it is described as a Tree.

Edit: Not related to the question but popular theory is that Shamala is a Panther that turns into a Human, not a Human that turns into a Panther, and that she is the feline artifact on that list. Though that is all speculation.
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- Who's the fourth Guardian of Avon?
Same deal as the Vates. =\ We actually don't know who the third Guardian is either. The best assumption we can make is that it is Merrow, since she also has that Avon tattoo on her leg, though we can't be sure, and better not to assume.
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- So if Tuatha de Danann get rapid aging by coming into contact with the Soul Stream, why didn't Cai show any difference in age and appearance?
No solid evidence, but some people say it is implied that the Tuahta de Danann came to Erinn from Another World, and when they came to this world, they stopped aging, wheras they did reproduce and age in the other world, and have functioning memory. Though this explanation has plenty of plot holes itself.
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- How do people know of Tarlach's existence, when he isolated himself into Sidhe Sneachta?
We told people, remember. And after news got out, Ruairi and perhaps others brought research from other places like Taillteann, so he can learn things like Alchemy. Though him learning Alchemy never seemed to be relevant later on.
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- What the fuck did Ruairi do to Adniel?
What do you mean?

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-Why on earth was Andras (an ELF) in Uladh before Iria was discovered?

I don't know how she ended up in Uladh, but Iria was known long before it was discovered. Do the Morva Aisle sidequest, they talk about how merchants kept the existence of Iria a secret to the public so they can have exclusive access to wares. The very beginning part of the Morva Aisle sidequest should still be on the wiki's page for Morva Aisle, last I checked. Though some NPCs were removed so you can't 100% it anymore.

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-Also, what's with that picture of her, Castanea, and Hagel?

I recall Hagel being Andras's father, not sure if that was actually true or a rumor. But never heard any rumors of any other Elf being Hagel's wife or baby mama.

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-Is Elatha actually Morgant's son, or no? Some 100% clarification would be useful, since not everybody understands his speaking style very well, and as such, it has been left under debate.

Morgant said he took a part in Elatha's creation. Some people take this to mean he is his father, it doesn't have to be. It could very well be a god father, or he could have performed the surgery, he could have cut the chord, he could have taken care of Neamhain. It's foolish to say "Yes, he is for sure the father" or "Yes, it means he cut the chord" if you don't know for sure. So sorry, can't really help on that hole. =\
Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-12-30 03:43

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In G12 it was confirmed there were Four Vates of Aliech. One was Dorren, one was Lennox, one was Helveticus (Idr his spelling), and the fourth, in the images, was just a shadowy figure of a generic corrupt alchemist. It was never explained who the fourth Vate was, and no there is no confirmation that Professor J has anything to do with them.

Bleh I forgot that existed.

... Wait, the fourth Vate was corrupt?

What, where did you hear that? I don't remember anything like that happening.

The scene where Lugh kicks you in the face and then exiles Eirawen. Sinead, Padan, etc. etc. say "Lugh is the only true king blah blah blah".

Bella was one of the artifacts that Aton Cimeni created when he created Partholon, Erinn, and the other "gods".

[Image: http://ft.trillian.im/d8946682d6c7da7bef24121282783a3ada1b2a88/6vcj3x6yCgiBhzCzoZtJJkSXncE5H.jpg]

The known artifacts so far are the Caliburn, Bella, the Heart of Courcle, and Lia Fail/Tree of Life. Not sure if all the artifacts are alive, but the Caliburn is alive and so is Bella, and it's possible the Lia Fail is also alive since it is described as a Tree.

Err when and where was that said...?

Same deal as the Vates. =\ We actually don't know who the third Guardian is either. The best assumption we can make is that it is Merrow, since she also has that Avon tattoo on her leg, though we can't be sure, and better not to assume.

Right after you beat Merrow...

Shakespeare: The one who attacked us was Merrow, a guardian of avon.

What do you mean?

Right after Dowra beats Tarlach's minions to a pulp, there's some cutscene with Tarlach and Ruairi going into Renes and the latter using dark magic on Adniel. Adniel laments some history (Moonlight of Death most likely) and the screen fades to black.
Kapra wrote on 2014-12-30 03:57

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... Wait, the fourth Vate was corrupt?

No, I mean the fourth Vate in the pictures was personified by a generic Corrupt Alchemist/Arat Alchemist model, wheras Helvitucs was a specific model, and Lennox/Dorren, you know.

[Image: http://ft.trillian.im/d8946682d6c7da7bef24121282783a3ada1b2a88/6vclhRy5mz9A5q25oH1in1POOJSMa.jpg]
[Image: http://ft.trillian.im/d8946682d6c7da7bef24121282783a3ada1b2a88/6vcliDWlbgRNFJbi29c0N1pbxNIKV.jpg]

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The scene where Lugh kicks you in the face and then exiles Eirawen. Sinead, Padan, etc. etc. say "Lugh is the only true king blah blah blah".

Well Lugh was king of Ulaid (not Aliech though). Lugh left the thrown of Ulaid out of choice (read the books about Fiodh Forest), not being forced out. And people worship Lugh as the great Hero they would be willing to give him the throne rather than the daughter of a monarch. Why does this mean they're brain washed?

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Err when and where was that said...?

In some cutscene, I don't remember who, I think Morrighan, said something along the lines of "Just as how the Caliburn is the creator, Bella is the destroyer."
Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-12-30 04:13

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Well Lugh was king of Ulaid (not Aliech though). Lugh left the thrown of Ulaid out of choice (read the books about Fiodh Forest), not being forced out. And people worship Lugh as the great Hero they would be willing to give him the throne rather than the daughter of a monarch. Why does this mean they're brain washed?

Looking back, Lezarro and Sinead actually pledged loyalty to Eirawen before shit and shit. Then...

Eirawen: Sinead! Lezarro! What is the meaning of this?
Sinead: Lugh Lavada is the true king of Aliech.
Lezarro: The Knight of Light must be placed on the throne.
(Skip to where guards try to apprehend you)
Pencast: Cursed Milletian...
Padan: Scum!
Sinead: Are you that desperate for power?
Lezarro: You're a disgrace to the royal family!

Clearly they're brainwashed. Also Bella doesn't look pleased with what's going on.

In Secret Meeting (G16 "semifinal"), Sinead and Padan aren't brainwashed anymore.

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In some cutscene, I don't remember who, I think Morrighan, said something along the lines of "Just as how the Caliburn is the creator, Bella is the destroyer."

I think Cichol might have said that?

Somewhat off-topic but out of curiosity where did you pull those images from?
Kapra wrote on 2014-12-30 05:08

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Somewhat off-topic but out of curiosity where did you pull those images from?

I've had the Aton Cimeni artifacts datamined for years now, but I think they were originally from G10 or 11, maybe 12 though I doubt it. You should be able to datamine it, probably in data/gfx/gui. The other two I just pulled up, and almost certainly are from G12.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-12-30 05:48

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I've had the Aton Cimeni artifacts datamined for years now, but I think they were originally from G10 or 11, maybe 12 though I doubt it. You should be able to datamine it, probably in data/gfx/gui. The other two I just pulled up, and almost certainly are from G12.

I meant the website you put them on.

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