[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Magic // 15th of January, 2015

• Osayidan wrote on 2015-01-16 16:32

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1261543:

  Honestly most of the "advanced" magics are lacking. Their charging time, cooldowns, and mana costs don't match up to what they should be in terms of power imo. The 15min cooldown of Meteor Strike helps it a little but it's still rather meh. Hailstorm is pretty decent and the changes to it make it more useful for sure but ya....
  
  I have yet to test the new lightning skill so I have no strong opinion on the matter currently.

  
  Hailstorm could be better but is pretty good already and the damage output is reasonable for a skill with no cooldown.
  
  Meteor is extremely situational but the damage potential is nice.
  
  This lightning this doesn't even let you aim, and from the limited videos I seen a cc4 firebolt outperforms it, even a smash can do better. All it has going for it is stats and it looks cool.
  
  I'll wait to see it on a full mage character with r1 but don't have high hopes.
  
  
  -- sent via mobile
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-01-16 16:35
  Well, hopefully devcat will adjust it. Keep in mind it is the test server so things are highly likely to change. Bash and Rage Impact had a couple of changes done to it while it was on test to make them better than their original implementations.
• Tetosan wrote on 2015-01-16 16:41

  Quote from Osayidan;1261546:

  Hailstorm could be better but is pretty good already and the damage output is reasonable for a skill with no cooldown.
  
  Meteor is extremely situational but the damage potential is nice.
  
  This lightning this doesn't even let you aim, and from the limited videos I seen a cc4 firebolt outperforms it, even a smash can do better. All it has going for it is stats and it looks cool.
  
  I'll wait to see it on a full mage character with r1 but don't have high hopes.
  
  
  -- sent via mobile

  
  
  The thing about "not letting you aim" is a common misception by people
  
  The skill can ACTUALLY track an enemy if you target it before using the skill.
  
  --- Merged Double Post ---
  
  

  Quote from Citrusjuice;1261534:

  info on how to obtain new skills out yet?
  what's the difference between 2 staves?
  
  my only rail[s]gun[/s] staff o3o

  
  
  The only difference i noticed are that one can use Party healing while the other can't
• Iyasenu wrote on 2015-01-16 16:56
  I wonder if those new magical weapons will be made via Blacksmithing (like other celtic weapons) or Magic Craft (like most recent magical weapons).
  
  It's nice to see a staff that allows the use of Adv Magic as well as party healing.
  Wonder what the upgrades will be like on it.
• JoeyDee9 wrote on 2015-01-16 17:39

  Quote from Rixx;1261468:

  Source: http://www.mabinogi.pe.kr/bbs/zboard.php?id=report&page=1&sn1=&divpage=4&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=29300
  
  I skipped parts that seemed unnecessary.
  So in conclusion, Magic Coefficient for Lightning Rod is around 7.1

  
  
  Assuming this I think it should be a wee bit higher. Then again it is only a 2 second cast time.
• Zekkii wrote on 2015-01-16 18:32
  So we're looking at (365 + (600 * 7.1)) * 2 for full charge * 1.15+ for lightning mastery = 10637.5
  
  That would be decent but considering the cooldown and width, I don't see it being of much use other than fun. They should do something cool like give it instant charge after thunder use.
  
  As for thunder itself, I do like the benefits. My main issue with Thunder remains though; thunder has a small radius, especially for a charging skill. The hailstorm benefits are absolutely superb, I'm sure it'll see some use now but it's not overpowered.
• JoeyDee9 wrote on 2015-01-16 18:35
  The width of lightning rod is definitely less than r1 ice spear. I can't tell if it's closer to rF or r5.
  
  That's probably the two changes this skill needs. Longer range and wider width.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-16 19:07
  Inb4 they don't buff Respite.
• JoeyDee9 wrote on 2015-01-16 19:12
  Personally I feel the new mana recovery skill isn't needed. It's not like mana management was hard. The new skill just makes it anyone with half a brain has infinite mana.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-16 19:19

  Quote from JoeyDee9;1261564:

  The width of lightning rod is definitely less than r1 ice spear. I can't tell if it's closer to rF or r5.
  
  That's probably the two changes this skill needs. Longer range and wider width.

  
  
  Maybe it should also chain into nearby enemies just like LB and Thunder.
  
  

  Quote from JoeyDee9;1261575:

  Personally I feel the new mana recovery skill isn't needed. It's not like mana management was hard. The new skill just makes it anyone with half a brain has infinite mana.

  
  
  Amen. It's just making meditation and mp pots irrelevant.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-01-16 19:28

  Quote from JoeyDee9;1261575:

  Personally I feel the new mana recovery skill isn't needed. It's not like mana management was hard. The new skill just makes it anyone with half a brain has infinite mana.

  
  
  [S] plus Ice bolt mana vamp ability[/S]
• Zeo wrote on 2015-01-16 19:54

  Quote from JoeyDee9;1261575:

  Personally I feel the new mana recovery skill isn't needed. It's not like mana management was hard. The new skill just makes it anyone with half a brain has infinite mana.

  
  
  Pretty much how some of us felt, and would rather see some changes be put into Meditation and uncapping it to r1 instead of slapping in a new skill.
  
  Few users came in and mocked our opinions on those though, sadly.
• Osayidan wrote on 2015-01-16 20:05

  Quote from Zeo;1261585:

  Pretty much how some of us felt, and would rather see some changes be put into Meditation and uncapping it to r1 instead of slapping in a new skill.
  
  Few users came in and mocked our opinions on those though, sadly.

  
  I'm not going to make fun of opinions but for those who think the skill makes their gameplay too easy they can just not rank it.
  
  I personally welcome the ability to spam elemental doom on everything that moves and not care about mana, not have care if it's night for faster meditation...
  
  
  -- sent via mobile
• JoeyDee9 wrote on 2015-01-16 20:08
  As of now, I'm still not exactly happy with these renovation changes.
  
  Close combat did not get faster and they did not remove i-frames.
  
  Magic got marginally faster and is still overall unsatisfactory. In fact they added to the AP bloat of the magic tab even more.
  
  I don't particular see much hope for the range renovation. Maybe a new AOE skill and some new celtic weapons that don't even come close to bhafel+huntress. Call me a pessimist but these changes did nothing but power creep the renovated tabs. They did nothing to actually fix their core problems. Not to mention FH wasn't nerfed for live release, how did that slip though?
  
  

  Quote from Osayidan;1261588:

  I'm not going to make fun of opinions but for those who think the skill makes their gameplay too easy they can just not rank it.
  
  I personally welcome the ability to spam elemental doom on everything that moves and not care about mana, not have care if it's night for faster meditation...
  
  
  -- sent via mobile

  
  
  Osay, not ranking a skill is just ludicrous. This is an Massively Multiplier Online Role Playing Game. Many players play games like this for the sense of character progression and empowerment. Telling players to not rank a skill because they think it's overpowered is basically telling them not to take a job promotion even if they don't like the new position.
  
  Many players encourage power creep and don't look at overall game balance. And to be honest devkitty is doing nothing for game balance with these updates. Final hit is another balance breaker and people will still use lances aside from that skill. Magic is still slow and will be used by a niche group of players. Overall these updates have not changed the balance of the game.
  
  I bet they wont adjust archery base percents to make early game archery more viable. As it stands archery's biggest problems is the fact that without the correct reforges you just aren't able to output as much as other skill sets. I've said it before in places but base archery percents need to go up and percents on the reforges need to go down. This way current reforged archers are just as strong but the skills themselves are a bigger contribution to the damage.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-01-16 20:08

  Quote from Osayidan;1261588:

  I'm not going to make fun of opinions but for those who think the skill makes their gameplay too easy they can just not rank it.
  
  I personally welcome the ability to spam elemental doom on everything that moves and not care about mana, not have care if it's night for faster meditation...
  
  
  -- sent via mobile

  
  
  ^
  
  Pretty much this. I also will enjoy all that extra mana. Means I can do that don't use pots requirement for solo raids a lot easier without murdering myself once.