[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Magic // 15th of January, 2015

• Daakun wrote on 2015-01-16 21:38

  Quote from JoeyDee9;1261603:

  Magic min/Magic max and spell percents ideally.

  
  
  That's pretty much what we already have, though.
  MA is our "max", spell coefficient is our "percent", and we get some base damage to help us out in the early game.
  You can look at +100 Str as +200 max Smash damage the same as you can look at +100 Int as +162 cc4 Firebolt damage.
  
  The problem isn't how the stats are represented, it's how the devs keep thinking we're going to praise Lymilark for 6 MA and a doubled repair fee.
• Juno wrote on 2015-01-16 21:47
  Either they have to power-creep certain skillsets or nerf others. They seem to be very nerf-averse, so it's no surprise that their renovation consists of adding power here and there. I imagine that the players would be even more up in arms if they took the other route.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-01-16 21:57

  Quote from Juno;1261616:

  Either they have to power-creep certain skillsets or nerf others. They seem to be very nerf-averse, so it's no surprise that their renovation consists of adding power here and there. I imagine that the players would be even more up in arms if they took the other route.

  
  
  If that's the case, this entire revamp overall failed to me sadly.Mabi really doesn't* need more power buffs and op things.
  
  Edit/ please tell meh that Nexon fixed the basic bolt animations at least..It's been broken since g13 x__x
• Tyskiyomy wrote on 2015-01-16 22:43

  Quote from Kelvas;1261411:

  I bet it has a small AoE just like that skill!

  
  
  

  Quote from Zekkii;1261412:

  Elven magic missile perhaps? I like it, but the cooldown seems a bit much for such an.... underwhelming skill. Maybe there's some magic in the formula/stats.

  
  
  
  Actually I should of used a better emote, but I was trying to say it reminded me of something from the past, which I now remmember. It reminds me of Oblivion, and just zapping people with staffs :>
  
  Also, for me, I see a lot of potential with this new skill given these cirumstances:
  - It has an AoE[Most likely]
  - I can hit over 7k with it
  
  If both are true, then I will enjoy using this in such things as TDB, where I can just crisis and the instantly start charging it to then release. It'd be like a 'weaker', non-knock back dependent, more flashy blaze.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-01-17 01:35
  Consider that the majority of this discussion is incredibly high leveled. The power of people is fine, it's the content.
  
  
  Which due to how mabi is, there's no way to make good endgame content without excluding a large part of the playerbase or massively nerfing everything into dust
  
  Mabi was never meant for fast acceleration. It was meant to be the journey, but due to all of the complaints about AP. Well. Here we are.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-17 01:41
  I'm pretty happy with the update overall. They didn't do anything to nerf Firebolt, which is unfortunate, but aside from near-permanent mana they refrained from buffing it. I would love for them to nerf Magic Weapon Mastery and further buff Fusion Bolt.
  
  The only other thing that I would like to see would be a buff to all existing magic attack enchants. Mages are still the only "class" that can steamroll everything in Mabinogi with zero equipment items save weapons. A x4~5 buff to magic attack values in enchants would be very appropriate. To offset the damage potential, it should be coupled with a nerf to some other asset that directly contributes to magic offensive strength.
  
  

  Quote from Aubog007;1261638:

  Consider that the majority of this discussion is incredibly high leveled. The power of people is fine, it's the content.
  
  
  Which due to how mabi is, there's no way to make good endgame content without excluding a large part of the playerbase or massively nerfing everything into dust
  
  Mabi was never meant for fast acceleration. It was meant to be the journey, but due to all of the complaints about AP. Well. Here we are.

  
  
  Yep.
  
  This game hasn't had decent end-game content for a long time. With the changes made to the leveling system, everyone can now race to end-game, where nothing is waiting for them; cue arguments.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-17 02:21

  Quote from Elvensky;1261511:

  Since no one as answered this yet I think, I will. Tri-Bolt wand DOES have a chain casting upgrade that works on all 3 elements, and the other upgrades will speed up the wand. But, you can not use fusion bolt with the wand AND you can't use int magic.

  
  But I did answer this, if you went back one page you could've seen my post.
  

  Quote from Kapra;1261474:

  Cetlic Guardian can use Party Heal but the other two weapons cannot.
  
  The Wand can chaincast all three bolts, but cannot use intermediate magic, but can use blaze. It cannot chaincast fusion bolt, as soon as you upgrade it to chaincast it loses the ability to use fusion bolt. The wand's chaincast upgrade accounts for all three elements. You don't have to like, do three separate upgrades for each element.

  
  Also unlike other wands, the Tri-Bolt wand cannot use Elven Magic Missile.
  
  

  Quote from Iyasenu;1261554:

  I wonder if those new magical weapons will be made via Blacksmithing (like other celtic weapons) or Magic Craft (like most recent magical weapons).
  
  It's nice to see a staff that allows the use of Adv Magic as well as party healing.
  Wonder what the upgrades will be like on it.

  
  In file there is data of three new crafting ingredients that look like these new weapons, but there is no data added for crafting at all. There's no update to the manual file, or the production files. But Duncan sells two versions of each of the three weapons. One with a low stat roll and one with a high stat roll, which makes me think it's probably Magic Craft or Engineering, and not Blacksmithing.
• revdb wrote on 2015-01-17 03:31
  So the tri-bolt wand can chaincast all bolts, guardian staff can cast party heal, what's special about the druid staff?
  
  I thought it would be cool if the tri-bolt wand fired all 3 elements for Elven Magic Missle xD
• willcaster wrote on 2015-01-17 03:45

  Quote from Aubog007;1261638:

  Consider that the majority of this discussion is incredibly high leveled. The power of people is fine, it's the content.
  
  
  Which due to how mabi is, there's no way to make good endgame content without excluding a large part of the playerbase or massively nerfing everything into dust
  
  Mabi was never meant for fast acceleration. It was meant to be the journey, but due to all of the complaints about AP. Well. Here we are.

  
  True.
  
  It's near imposible in this game to develop correct end game content. Other games have a generic stat/dmg and LVL; weapons and gear that 90-100% of the players can get. In mabi "end-game" gear would be something reforged lvl 20 and 3 lines, special upgrades that can blow up ur gear, enchants to blow up ur gear, repairs that can screw your gear, all skills maxed and total lvl 20-30k?
  
  
  There is no way to make a good "end-game" since mabi is near imposible to tank or heal correctly. The best solution is the brick wall. Also this game is so dependant of lag: Archery, magic, alchemy, warrior, fighter, gunner and probably ninja die from a bad lag spike while puppets get destroyed and repaired.
  
  Back to topic.
  
  Magic is becoming faster but in my personal opinion it lost its best quality: Heavy burst damage, it used to be the only skill set with 3 diff AoE skills and heavy/slow attacks. Few ppl like magic nowdays because: puppets have 3 AoE skills and pays a small stanmina cost. Guns have 2 AoE skills that are fast and let you move and kill faster than magic, Ninja has only 1.5 AoE skills that are faster than magic and gives 1-3 extra skills to help with control.
  
  Magic has fb spam, blaze and hailstorm. Everything else is slow and time/mp cost is weaker, expensive and slower.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2015-01-17 03:55
  Wow, those are pretty nice magic-updates. I am looking forward for more updates.
  
  

  Quote from willcaster;1261665:

  
  There is no way to make a good "end-game" since mabi is near imposible to tank or heal correctly. The best solution is the brick wall. Also this game is so dependant of lag: Archery, magic, alchemy, warrior, fighter, gunner and probably ninja die from a bad lag spike while puppets get destroyed and repaired.

  
  
  Why would you even need that much tanking/healing power anyways? There are clouds, full recovery pots, countless pots from event rewards, and etc.
  Most online games are dependent on lag unless it is like a single player game, or you are hosting the game where you feel no lag.
  
  A large part of the player base will never reach end-game with everything maxed. It is not like it is hard, but the time required is just ridiculously huge compared to most MMORPGs out there. Most people would rather quit, and play other games. There are plenty of other MMORPGs that has a better combat system than Mabinogi.
  
  Mabinogi combat system is very slow pace, one-sided/linear, and boring system. You do not need "skills/knowledge/reflexes" to survive. Compare this to like Tera's end-game dungeons, which requires skills/reflexes, not to mention, not lagging.
  
  Even if you are like the most insane player, can keep up 200 AP per week, and RB every week, it still take like 3 years to get that 30k AP or so.
  
  Then, there are some skills that feels like it will take years to grind up to max levels... especially some of those Crusader related stuff.
  
  The most relevant end-game content right now is probably Apostle spam to do the Daily Orders because you will hit a point where you just have too much AP to do anything except repair Broniac all the time.
• Zekkii wrote on 2015-01-17 07:23

  Quote from Kaeporo;1261640:

  I'm pretty happy with the update overall. They didn't do anything to nerf Firebolt, which is unfortunate, but aside from near-permanent mana they refrained from buffing it. I would love for them to nerf Magic Weapon Mastery and further buff Fusion Bolt.

  
  I don't know what devCAT was thinking when the released a completely additive formula for modifiers and magic weapon mastery at the same time. Fusion bolt damage increase is effectively 3.44% at best. Now using ice fusion should be safer due to slow, and using fire fusion would be heavily damaging. Why why someone use lightning fusion though? It needs something.
  
  Anyways, I'd like to point out more reasons why IS would be OP. You can now force enemies to low health while frozen so you can guarantee a chain, and you can use blaze on frozen enemies; using after chaining will provide a full knockback gauge. It should also give you enough time to load hailstorm, or a group. Using it after thunder can control the knockback. I'm not sure how much damage reduction is, but I'm sure skills like knockback blaze or hail will do more than enough damage regardless.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-17 08:11

  Quote from Zekkii;1261685:

  I don't know what devCAT was thinking when the released a completely additive formula for modifiers and magic weapon mastery at the same time. Fusion bolt damage increase is effectively 3.44% at best. Now using ice fusion should be safer due to slow, and using fire fusion would be heavily damaging. Why why someone use lightning fusion though? It needs something.

  
  Actually the new effects of ice and lightning bolt do not apply in fusion bolt. At least not in the first update, not sure if they changed it by now.
• Qyll wrote on 2015-01-17 13:06
  Finally an Advanced Lightning skill~
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-17 19:57
  The soft cap of MP is 1.5k, and IIRC Falcons have the highest MP of the four Transformations, giving them 2.2k MP.
  
  Healing 1.1k MP every 3 minutes is incredibly ridiculous. Meditation comes nowhere near that, and neither do MP pots or Fantastic Chorus.
• Juno wrote on 2015-01-17 20:40
  You do realize that they can heal 1.1k MP only during trans and only once, since it has a cooldown...making that scenario happen once every 36 minutes, not 3? In other words, it is 12 times not as bad as you're saying it is.