[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Magic // 15th of January, 2015

• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-17 20:47

  Quote from Juno;1261730:

  You do realize that they can heal 1.1k MP only during trans and only once, since it has a cooldown...making that scenario happen once every 36 minutes, not 3? In other words, it is 12 times not as bad as you're saying it is.

  
  
  You realize Transformations can be extended via rebirths and aging to 10 right? I'm pretty sure there's lots of Falcons that lasts over 10 minutes.
  
  Also Dark Knights trans last really long if they can outheal their drain. The max MP they can get is 2.1k MP, allowing them to heal 1,050 MP. That's still a lot.
• Kelvas wrote on 2015-01-17 21:08

  Quote from Darkboy132;1261731:

  You realize Transformations can be extended via rebirths and aging to 10 right? I'm pretty sure there's lots of Falcons that lasts over 10 minutes.
  
  Also Dark Knights trans last really long if they can outheal their drain. The max MP they can get is 2.1k MP, allowing them to heal 1,050 MP. That's still a lot.

  
  
  Don't worry, no sane end-game or near end game mage would want to stay transformed. Magic damage is lower in trans since you can't gain enough int to cover 90 matk from titles. Plus, some mages have so much int that trans is completely obsolete unless they're hybriding for something, in which case, having mana isn't a big deal.
• Juno wrote on 2015-01-17 21:17
  Even with rebirths and being young, transformations are not going to last for 10 minutes for the average player. For age 10 falcons, the formula is 219s + Min(Rebirths, 10) * 8 + Max(Rebirths - 10, 0) * 2. For that to equal 600 seconds (10 minutes) they would have to rebirth 200 times. Assuming weekly rebirths, that's a minimum of 4 years to reach a 10 minute transformation.
  
  So, I rather doubt there're going to be falcons restoring 1.1k mana left and right. Even if they do pull it off and get to use 3 restores in 1 transformation, it doesn't seem like a huge issue given the massive investment involved. Remember, we're assuming they've maximized out-of-trans mana as well.
  
  Dark Knights have the same transformation length formula, though they can extend it like you said. Still seems like a good return on investment, though, rather than flat out free mana for everyone.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-17 21:30

  Quote from Kelvas;1261733:

  Don't worry, no sane end-game or near end game mage would want to stay transformed. Magic damage is lower in trans since you can't gain enough int to cover 90 matk from titles. Plus, some mages have so much int that trans is completely obsolete unless they're hybriding for something, in which case, having mana isn't a big deal.

  
  
  Oh yeah...
  
  Point is, that much MP restoration is too massive.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-01-17 22:22

  Quote from Juno;1261734:

  Even with rebirths and being young, transformations are not going to last for 10 minutes for the average player. For age 10 falcons, the formula is 219s + Min(Rebirths, 10) * 8 + Max(Rebirths - 10, 0) * 2. For that to equal 600 seconds (10 minutes) they would have to rebirth 200 times. Assuming weekly rebirths, that's a minimum of 4 years to reach a 10 minute transformation.
  
  So, I rather doubt there're going to be falcons restoring 1.1k mana left and right. Even if they do pull it off and get to use 3 restores in 1 transformation, it doesn't seem like a huge issue given the massive investment involved. Remember, we're assuming they've maximized out-of-trans mana as well.
  
  Dark Knights have the same transformation length formula, though they can extend it like you said. Still seems like a good return on investment, though, rather than flat out free mana for everyone.

  
  
  Where the hell did you get that formula. Curiosity.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-17 22:42

  Quote from Aubog007;1261743:

  Where the hell did you get that formula. Curiosity.

  
  
  Pretty sure Wiki...
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-17 22:45

  Quote from Juno;1261734:

  Even with rebirths and being young, transformations are not going to last for 10 minutes for the average player. For age 10 falcons, the formula is 219s + Min(Rebirths, 10) * 8 + Max(Rebirths - 10, 0) * 2. For that to equal 600 seconds (10 minutes) they would have to rebirth 200 times. Assuming weekly rebirths, that's a minimum of 4 years to reach a 10 minute transformation.
  
  So, I rather doubt there're going to be falcons restoring 1.1k mana left and right. Even if they do pull it off and get to use 3 restores in 1 transformation, it doesn't seem like a huge issue given the massive investment involved. Remember, we're assuming they've maximized out-of-trans mana as well.
  
  Dark Knights have the same transformation length formula, though they can extend it like you said. Still seems like a good return on investment, though, rather than flat out free mana for everyone.

  
  
  Transformations are capped at five in-game hours or seven minutes and 30 seconds (real-time). The only way to extend past that cap is through reforges (+4 min, champ/+3 min, all others) and disarm (ad infintium).
• Juno wrote on 2015-01-18 05:58
  Yeah, I got the formula right from the wiki.
  
  

  Quote from Kaeporo:

  Transformations are capped at five in-game hours or seven minutes and 30 seconds (real-time). The only way to extend past that cap is through reforges (+4 min, champ/+3 min, all others) and disarm (ad infintium).

  
  
  Thanks, I thought there was a cap but saw no mention of it on the wiki.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-18 06:48

  Quote from Juno;1261770:

  Thanks, I thought there was a cap but saw no mention of it on the wiki.

  
  
  There's always things that select players more know about than the wiki...
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-01-18 08:47

  Quote from Darkboy132;1261746:

  Pretty sure Wiki...

  
  
  I asked because i scoured for that formula and I was the one who tried to make a formula for the Wiki. I guess i have been away far too long.
  
  
  ... Or not. Seems the person who made that formula put it on a different page than the one where i put my formula (Paladin vs Transformation). Huh. Oh well, someone kept changing mine over and over anyway.
  Both the same, although i quit before doing further testing on it... Glad to see definitive answers. Since i put a footnote that mine seemed to cap out at 7.5 minutes
  
  

  Quote from Juno;1261770:

  Yeah, I got the formula right from the wiki.
  
  
  
  Thanks, I thought there was a cap but saw no mention of it on the wiki.

  
  
  Tiny tiny footnote in the history section. I never definitively said so though, since i always did extensive testing. Kinda felt bad about not finishing that before i quit. Sorry.
• Zekkii wrote on 2015-01-18 10:21

  Quote from Kapra;1261689:

  Actually the new effects of ice and lightning bolt do not apply in fusion bolt. At least not in the first update, not sure if they changed it by now.

  
  Well I guess icebolt could be useful against some extremely high health mobs if they aren't immune like dragons down to MA final mobs. Might as well just final hit those though.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-01-18 10:27
  Are there certain mobs that have immunity to this "drain" of MP?
• Zekkii wrote on 2015-01-18 10:46

  Quote from Aubog007;1261799:

  Are there certain mobs that have immunity to this "drain" of MP?

  
  I doubt it actually drains MP, and thus doubt any do.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-18 10:57

  Quote from Aubog007;1261799:

  Are there certain mobs that have immunity to this "drain" of MP?

  
  
  Ive been asking around if it actually drains mp but I hadn't gotten any response for it. A lot of questions asked here weren't really addressed.
  
  Does Lightning Rod damage scale with range like Shockwave and Meteor Strike?
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-18 10:59

  Quote from Darkboy132;1261809:

  Ive been asking around if it actually drains mp but I hadn't gotten any response for it. A lot of questions asked here weren't really addressed.
  
  Does Lightning Rod damage scale with range like Shockwave and Meteor Strike?

  
  
  - 4 MP per hit
  - No