[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Ranged Combat // 12th of Feburary, 2015

• ironwoman wrote on 2015-02-11 00:30

  Quote from Jake;1264665:

  It's because the average NA mabi player runs around in npc bought gear
  
  As such, they can't appreciate its benefits as much. End game equipped final shot tears things apart.

  
  
  Agreed. In fact, if I were given a choice of Wotg or Final Shot, I'd choose Final Shot anyday.
  And yeah, most NA players run around in npc bought gears, or gacha items, not really ideal for true end game. And that's why they don't get their damage off, they simply don't have the will to hunt the materials. It's funny, I see people with Bhafel Combo with no enchanted gears, so they do like half my damage. Simply put, most NA players are lazy.
• Ghostmonkey wrote on 2015-02-11 02:05
  i can't seem to find any youtube videos of this urgent shot skill :<
  
  also I hope support shot gets a little more help then these buffs. when I try and use support shot how it's suppose to be used. I end up breaking the enemies knockdown stage and it either gets back up too quick and smacks the warrior or comes after me. i'd like support shot to be more of a passive skill then stunning it or stopping the warriors flow. I hope that makes since >_<
  
  if not then whatever, i'm in love with archery until the end
• Rydian wrote on 2015-02-11 02:27
  This thread is like one big game of "spot the elf", just look for the most rage!
  
  
  
  On a more serious note, yeah this seems really lackluster compared to the previous changes. Almost seems like the people behind the changes don't fully understand what holds ranged back... though they did successfully touch most of the issues with magic (barring the high gold costs) so it might just be a personal playstyle thing.
• Jake wrote on 2015-02-11 02:32

  Quote from Ghostmonkey;1264673:

  i can't seem to find any youtube videos of this urgent shot skill :<
  

  
  
  because it's not in the game yet
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-02-11 02:39

  Quote from ironwoman;1264666:

  Agreed. In fact, if I were given a choice of Wotg or Final Shot, I'd choose Final Shot anyday.
  And yeah, most NA players run around in npc bought gears, or gacha items, not really ideal for true end game. And that's why they don't get their damage off, they simply don't have the will to hunt the materials. It's funny, I see people with Bhafel Combo with no enchanted gears, so they do like half my damage. Simply put, most NA players are lazy.

  
  
  we're lazy largely because we can still ragestomp everything while being lazy and we don't (with a few exceptions) care about building damage JUST for the sake of damage
  
  why should i spend ANOTHER 30m for bigger numbers when my already big numbers are murdering everything
• Jake wrote on 2015-02-11 02:44

  Quote from koishi-sempai;1264677:

  
  why should i spend ANOTHER 30m for bigger numbers when my already big numbers are murdering everything

  
  
  My reasoning is "what else would I spend it on?"
  
  No point in having it accumulate and get nothing out of it
• Bunny wrote on 2015-02-11 02:49

  Quote from Ghostmonkey;1264673:

  i'm in love with archery until the end

  
  
  [FONT="Arial"]RIGHT THERE WITH YOU, BUDDY!
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• Ghostmonkey wrote on 2015-02-11 02:59
  Ohhh, my idiot self strikes again li'l
  Thank you senpai :D
• Kaon wrote on 2015-02-11 03:08

  Quote from Darkboy132;1264278:

  Huh... I heard Celestial Spike does though? Either way it needs to be fixed.
  
  
  
  Kiting with normal shots doesn't seem even remotely possible for a human, even with an attack speed set, though I could be wrong. You are an elf, after all.
  
  Grapple Shot and Bullet Slide do have some use, but that use is very hard to pull off effectively due to the massive flaws they have, most notably the small range. Every gunner skill is easily overshadowed by Shooting Rush and Way of the Gun.
  
  Almost every gunner skill has some long animation that locks your character until the animation is complete. This makes it hard to attack and chain effectively while also increasing vulnerability to multi-aggro. That is one of the sole problems that close combat has.

  
  
  Responding a bit late but uh..;
  
  I do gunner mainly on my human char on ruairi. So I don't have elf speed for that statement.. or even a wavesweeper or fleet feet. (I mean I have fleet feet but I don't fight in them.
  Grapple shot range isn't that bad imo, it's really useful to setup combos. Bullet slide is for creating space.. so for it to be longer range doesn't make any sense. And most of the long animations basically have heavy stander on them so... also not an issue.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-02-11 03:28
  Nice to know that we get labeled as "dumb as hell" when elves are actually quite lackluster to begin with and giants are overpowered as well. You don't need elemental to overrun everything as well, lol, so of course, I still think Throwing Attack is overpowered after this update.
  
  Yes, elves can wreck everything fine along with other two races, but the gap on elves are bit behind the humans and the reason you see most elves QQ is because they want their gap increased a bit to be on par with the humans. Like I've pointed out, some KR players are complaining about this update because elves get the short end of the stick once again. Final Shot are still crap because well... No, it's not because elves are using it improperly like some of you guys tried to claim, but basically, because it's crap.
  
  I also love how some of you guys tried to make it seem like Final Shot are OP because of reforges.. If a skill is crap but became OP with reforge, then you know there is something wrong.
  
  Nice to know that some of the forumers here are 'real' mature here, and started to call us names just because some opinions doesn't mesh with each others well.
• Daakun wrote on 2015-02-11 03:47
  If nothing else, I want the aim meter to stop lying to me.
  100%? Sure it is, Mabi, sure it is.
• Avino wrote on 2015-02-11 03:52
  My 10k throwing Attk dmge with buffs ain't op!!!!
• Kapra wrote on 2015-02-11 04:42

  Quote from Ghostmonkey;1264673:

  i can't seem to find any youtube videos of this urgent shot skill :<

  
  It's not out yet, the devs just told us about the skill early to build hype/discussion.
  
  

  Quote from Aeribella;1264664:

  Agreed.. This update seems very lackluster compared to the previous 2, and I ADORE mirage missle. I'd like them to fix life skills AKA Add a talent for magic craft/engineering, and either make tailoring/smithing easier to get mats/manuals, OR increase the training given when crafting something.

  
  Well "fixing" life skills depends on what you define the problem as. I don't think availability of ingredients is the issue. And I may be an extreme minority but I never really liked the idea of the Merchant Destiny coming out at all. I'd rather there not be a 2x exp rebirth for life skills, but they rebalance skills with insane training (mainly Enchant, even though that's not considered life).
  
  The problem we need "fixed" for life skills is subjective. I think the most important issue is, people don't use/support these skills because their rewards aren't usually worth it. By this I of course mean Blacksmithing, Carpentry, and especially Tailoring. One possible update that can potentially mend this is the upgrading suggestion I linked to in my signature. Of course that's assuming you think it has the same problem I do. An update to the blacksmithing/tailoring interface/UI/process would be nice too but not mandatory.
  
  Cooking already has great products, especially after the master chef update. The only real problem I see with it is that it's really boring/hassle to use, especially more than once in a row.
  
  Handicraft and Campfire needs some reimagining and repurposing.
  
  

  Quote from Daakun;1264687:

  If nothing else, I want the aim meter to stop lying to me.
  100%? Sure it is, Mabi, sure it is.

  
  Unfortunately that can't be fixed. Initially aim rate was client sided, meaning people could mod to always get 100% aim. They said things like "I have skill, using shot of god". Although I never confirmed if shot of god exists, and I kind of think it does, that's not how they did it. (And I'm still not convinced shot of god was an intended feature.)
  
  So they made it server sided. And the server and client are constantly communicating (a little too much most of the time), meaning your client's aim rate is increasing at normal rate, but the server is looking at your connection speed and even though it may say 100%, you may still be at 65% because you're lagging. There is no way for Nexon to fix this without dropping aim completely, which I'm not saying they should or shouldn't.
  
  
  
  Also, everyone is saying wait for the race update as if it is a matter of fact. They didn't say there is going to a be a racial update later, they said there may be one. As in how there may have been a race update for the past two years. Better to do what they can now than put off for later. Don't use the promise of a possible elusive racial patch as an excuse for "temporary" racial imbalance.
• nandattebayo wrote on 2015-02-11 04:55

  Quote from Kapra;1264692:

  Although I never confirmed if shot of god exists

  
  
  It did. I don't know if it's been patched yet though.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-02-11 05:57

  Quote from Kapra;1264692:

  Also, everyone is saying wait for the race update as if it is a matter of fact. They didn't say there is going to a be a racial update later, they said there may be one. As in how there may have been a race update for the past two years. Better to do what they can now than put off for later. Don't use the promise of a possible elusive racial patch as an excuse for "temporary" racial imbalance.

  
  
  My god, thank you for stating this. I seriously don't see how people think elves are fine but humans and giants aren't... lol.
  
  Plus knowing devCat, they'll probably leave elves alone like usual for their "racial" update if they ever did it, and give humans and giants even more of an unnecessary attentions, like what they did for all three renovation updates.