Let's look at Mabinogi's "map efficiency".

• Kiru wrote on 2015-04-07 17:01
  :blood:o love the logo in the floor <3
  
  yey. alos woah whats with the coding in the elf and giant areas?!:srsly?:
• Kouki wrote on 2015-04-08 07:00
  This is interesting. I always thought it was due to higher resolution textures that I would lag in the newer maps, but I guess it's the terrain? I do wish they'd make the newer maps more efficient for those things we won't see. Surely even just flattening it instead of making it look all bumpy would help, from having lower vertex count? >.<
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-08 07:49
  I'm curious to see the inside of Filia's wedding hall.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-04-08 11:43

  Quote from Fran;1270427:

  This is interesting. I always thought it was due to higher resolution textures that I would lag in the newer maps, but I guess it's the terrain? I do wish they'd make the newer maps more efficient for those things we won't see. Surely even just flattening it instead of making it look all bumpy would help, from having lower vertex count? >.<

  Mabi's maps are of a fixed complexity, polycount doesn't vary by height difference. Here's the herbs north of Ciar, for example.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/12LUQJ6m.png]

  
  
  The slowdown from newer areas ia all the constructed terrain pieced together.
  
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1270431:

  I'm curious to see the inside of Filia's wedding hall.

  Well if somebody on Ruairi wants to get married...
• Kiru wrote on 2015-04-09 13:33

  Quote from Rydian;1270437:

  
  Well if somebody on Ruairi wants to get married...

  
  
  My elf is avaleble :P
• Elleanior wrote on 2015-04-09 13:49

  Quote from Darkboy132;1270259:

  I'd rather have eyecandy than something to get drunk on. :awesome:

  
  
  Well, you'll get drunk on one or the other.
  
  :llama_cool:
• Gaby5011 wrote on 2015-04-10 05:03

  Quote from Rydian;1270437:

  [QUOTE=Kiru;1270571]Well if somebody on Ruairi wants to get married...

  
  
  My elf is avaleble :P[/QUOTE]
  
  Pls. I'd be interested too.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-04-14 05:35
  More wireframe shenanigans.
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/GBQpDZEm.png]

  
  
  
  
  And here's the Forest of Souls map overview.
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/kqcJ9BHm.jpg]

  
  
  The lakes don't have water on this chopped copy of Tir.
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/XXSTmlLm.jpg]

  
  
  Also I made a vid 'cause there's multiple interesting bits.
  [video=youtube;A0c65MM-2ds]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0c65MM-2ds[/video]
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-14 06:19
  What... Forest of Soul is actually the fork to Alby and Sidhe, not the locked gate behind the church? Wtf?
  
  Also IIRC that cutscene after character creation makes your character walk into the square from the western side, aka where the church is.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-04-14 08:09
  I kind of want them to merge the two maps now. . .
• Rydian wrote on 2015-04-22 10:18
  Alright, I'm finally going through with more G16 and it's taking me various places so I've gotten more shots and vids.
  
  First up, Falias.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/K1igPPWm.jpg]

  
  Pretty place.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/iaLx29Xm.jpg]

  
  Has another floating island up in the sky...
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/kgPfhjcm.jpg]

  
  And the higher smaller floating island is actually modeled out and everything.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/zNQ7yuHm.jpg]

  
  It even has proper stairs, which leads me to believe it was used in a gen quest cutscene or something and I forgot about it...
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/PBx9SEpm.jpg]

  
  The underside of the main landmass isn't looking so hot though.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/J7h4hzAm.jpg]

  
  In wireframe mode you can see alllll the additional polygons for all the smoke, light, and cloud layer effects moving around, spawning, and despawning. I should probably have made a little gif or something to show how much there is, but if people lag in Falias it's probably due to all this crap. Some of which is underneath the main landmass so you can't even see it normally.
  
  
  
  And next is Scathach Caverns. It turns out that, for some reason, Mabi uses a second type of render distance limitation in newer "inside" areas. This value is kept outside the normal camera structure so I had to find and patch the code relating to that, but once I did I could get huge draw distances on newer internal maps.
  
  [video=youtube;sz_3COWAouA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz_3COWAouA[/video]
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-04-22 17:22
  I believe that small floating island of Falias is where you actually do the G12 Final and fight Nuadha.
  
  Could you do Nemeton? Dian Cecht's chamber, Saga episode 6 area, etc.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-22 20:15

  Quote from Kapra;1270287:

  Oh that's really cool actually. I'd ask about the other soul stream stage too but I'm not sure if there's any easy way to get there.

  
  
  Bash quest makes you go to the soul stream.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-04-27 14:22
  Seems one of the new mana tunnel locations is artificial terrain.
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/7mkfIRlm.jpg]

  
  Which is weird 'cause other newer Iria areas like Silva Forest aren't.
  
  
  
  Anyways onto Saga II.
  
  The entrance hallway...
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/ri6jZzsm.jpg]

  
  
  Training rooms...
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/47HAwSdm.jpg]

  
  
  Main room...
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/QLJRzZhm.jpg]

  
  
  Her chamber...
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/1Wo8Gjym.jpg]

  
  
  Nothing really interesting. Unfortunately some debug stuff is still broken after the update so I can't get too much info, but as far as modeling and stuff is concerned I can't find anything interesting hidden away, at least in those areas.
  
  I'd show more, but uh...
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/9Xculni.gif]

  
  
  Uh. Okay game.
  
  
  
  Bonus: Shyllien District 2.
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/4quqe2Qm.jpg]
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-28 00:08

  Quote from Rydian;1272558:

  I'd show more, but uh...
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/9Xculni.gif]

  
  
  Uh. Okay game.

  
  
  Had that happen during my Magic Shield training, no idea why the fuck that's a thing.