[KR] Changes to Renovation Updates and Alban Knight's Camp // 9th of April, 2015

• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-09 23:01

  Quote from Kaeporo;1270637:

  Smash = Slow/Very-Slow weapons
  Bash = Very Fast, Fast, Normal weapons
  
  Bash may be of some use to the former. Smash is of no use to the latter, with the possible exception of axes/blunts.

  
  
  Well that seems fair, but honestly I'd rather they just get rid of Smash's i-frames rather than make another 1:1 skill.
  
  Now, Bash greatly affects slow/very slow weapons. Even though it only hits once, its damage is still on par with a single Smash, plus it stuns for a very long time and doesn't even affect the knockdown gauge (correct me if I'm wrong on that part), and doesn't even cause i-frames so it doesn't interfere with party play. IIRC, it ignores Defense skill and even Counterattack, the latter which Smash can't pierce.
  
  Overall Bash just replaced Smash for good.
• Twin wrote on 2015-04-09 23:11
  How does Bash look for humans while using a 2h? I know dual-wielding doesn't physically hit twice with both weapons. Just twice with the same weapon. Unless Nexon changed that
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-09 23:27

  Quote from Twin;1270642:

  How does Bash look for humans while using a 2h? I know dual-wielding doesn't physically hit twice with both weapons. Just twice with the same weapon. Unless Nexon changed that

  
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1270639:

  Now, Bash greatly affects slow/very slow weapons. Even though it only hits once, its damage is still on par with a single Smash, plus it stuns for a very long time and doesn't even affect the knockdown gauge (correct me if I'm wrong on that part), and doesn't even cause i-frames so it doesn't interfere with party play. IIRC, it ignores Defense skill and even Counterattack, the latter which Smash can't pierce.
  
  Overall Bash just replaced Smash for good.

  
  
  This is just my hypothesis. I doubt they changed the animation so it still looks like you're hitting twice with the same weapon.
• Twin wrote on 2015-04-09 23:48

  Quote from Darkboy132;1270646:

  This is just my hypothesis. I doubt they changed the animation so it still looks like you're hitting twice with the same weapon.

  
  That was one of my biggest issues with the skill. It made Bash feel cheap, like Nexon didn't even put care to put that much quality in it. I'm honestly hoping that changed because it's just gross. If someone could link meh to a video for two-handed, that'd be nice =O
• wallrocha wrote on 2015-04-10 00:11
  Can you guys make a post about the new event pleeeeease? :3
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-10 00:13

  Quote from wallrocha;1270659:

  Can you guys make a post about the new event pleeeeease? :3

  
  
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/h7RRD/ff13158ced.jpg]
• Kapra wrote on 2015-04-10 01:08

  Quote from Twin;1270559:

  Anyways, I doubt Nexon will revamp Elves properly. They'd probably just make their Magic and Range grossly overpowered, then call it a day ignoring quality. But hey, that's my opinion

  
  Yea, I worry about that too. It's one of the main reasons why I'd rather we just drop the concept of races having anything to do with anything nonaesthetic (though not the only or the most important reasons).
  
  

  Quote from willcaster;1270617:

  skills shared
  archery: critical hit
  close: smash, wm, counter, assault slash
  magic: fb, ib, lb
  fighter: none
  puppet: none
  gunner: none
  ninja: none
  hidden: is a mess. . . this should be removed and added to its class skill tab and changed to universal skills (even archery and gunner should be able to hit with smash with a penalty on dmg or a proper meele boots, pretty much staff kick smash animation)
  
  Close combat has few skills focused on swords, blunts and axes.

  
  I actually did want something like this. When G17~Enlightenment first came out, the way I actually wanted it to be organized:
  [SPOILER="Rant, mostly talking about life skills, not as wellthought/organized as an actual idea post"]Everything that is currently in the Close Combat talent except for Smash, Charge, and Weapon Masteries gets moved to a "Basics" talent and is the only talent marked as recommended for beginners. Those skills go into its own tab and aren't in other talents (makes no sense why Critical Hit is only in Melee and Archery but not in any other combat based talent). That being said, they should actually add a real Melee skillset to compensate for there not being a Close Combat talent, and a place to put Smash and the Weapon Masteries. (Hidden skills should also be moved to other skills tabs with that tab being deleted, don't waste light gray skill icons on "hidden" skills. . .)
  
  In addition, I thought production based life skills should be grouped into three talents Labor, Magic, and Science, rather than one for Blacksmithing, one for Tailoring, one for Magic Craft, one for Alchemy, and Enchant being in the Magic talent for god knows why. I also wish they didn't just dump a bunch of active alchemy skills into the construction alchemy talent just to justify it as a talent.
  
  To be honest, I wasn't fond of G15's Merchant Destiny at all, I wish they never added 2x for life skills, and just rebalanced the skill requirements to be balanced at 1x. And when talents came out, add talents for most life skills, but only level up the talent/get bonuses from it, everything like a regular talent but you can't select it as your active.
  
  Lets count how many sills each talent has if Production Mastery does not count:
  

  
  
  • Carpentry
    
    
    • 1 Carpentry
      
    • 2 Handicraft (Handicraft itself is a huge mess to begin with)
      
    
    
  • Blacksmith
    
    
    • 1 Blacksmithing
      
    • 2 Refining
      
    • 3 Mining
      
    • 4 Metallurgy
      
    • This talent is decent, not great.
      
    
    
  • Apothecary
    
    
    • 1 Potion Making
      
    • 2 Herbalism
      
    
    
  • Merchant
    
    
    • 1 Commerce Mastery
      
    • 2 Gold Strike
      
    • I feel like the only reason this talent exists is because they didn't know where they should put Gold Strike and they didn't want to just dump it into Adventure.
      
    
    
  • Tailoring
    
    
    • 1 Tailoring
      
    • 2 Weaving
      
    • 3 Sheep Shearing
      
    
    
  • Construct Alchemy/Transmutation
    
    
    • 1 Mana Crystallization
      
    • 2 Fragmentation
      
    • 3 Synthesis
      
    • 4 Metal Conversion
      
    • 5 Transmutation (The fact that this exists bothers me.)
      
    • 6 Alchemy Mastery (This really shouldn't have effected transmutation, they should've made Production mastery effect them since G9. . .)
      
    • The rest of the skills are only in here because A: they vaguely have a theme of making stuff but not really, B: there are way too many alchemy skilsl and they didn't want to dump them all into combat alchemy.
      
    
    

  
  
  Chef Talent I think is a good example of what is the right way to go. Adventure talent is also a mess. I would've exported out adventure's skills to other talents. Rest and Campfire should go into the "Basics" talent. Fishing should've gone to the Chef talent. Taming Wild animals should've gone to the Cleric talent. And I don't really think Transformation (or Gold Strike) should've gone anywhere.
  
  Here is how I would group life skills:
  
  

  
  
  • Labor Talent
    
    
    • Carpentry, Blacksmithing, and Tailoring talent merged into one. It has production mastery in it.
      
    
    
  • Thaumaturgy Talent
    
    
    • Apothecary talent plus the skills Enchant, Magic Craft, and Shyllien Ecology. It has production mastery in it.
      
    
    
  • Science Talent (very vague)
    
    
    • Construct alchemy (the production skills only, the other skills should shoo, go away), Engineering, and Rare Mineralogy. It has production mastery in it.
      
    
    
  • Cooking Talent
    
    
    • Same as current talent but with Fishing.
      
    
    

  
  
  Commerce Mastery, Gold Strike, and Transformation Mastery would just be talentless.[/SPOILER]
  Anyways, almost all of these changes I would not like to actually be done unless it were in a private server, or if it was like that from the start (as in in the test server, can't just change things that are already out).
  
  
  A little bit back on topic, I really like that they made the Alban Dungeon easier without actually making the monsters weaker.
• gundamweed wrote on 2015-04-10 01:34
  This bash stuff seems more human orientated. I mean, a giant's souped up 828% thames piercing lance smash is pretty hard to outdo. Doesn't feel like it'll replace smash by a long shot, at least not for giants. Still, I'm interested in seeing how it'll play out and how the melee meta's gonna change.
• Twin wrote on 2015-04-10 05:24

  Quote from Kapra;120777:

  Yea, I worry about that too. It's one of the main reasons why I'd rather we just drop the concept of races having anything to do with anything nonaesthetic (though not the only or the most important reasons).

  If they can't balance the current three races, they might as well do this. But I do like the concept of this idea, I just think race shouldn't have certain options blocked off (elf dual-wielding and giant archery) Elves for example should be naturally better without making the other races feel obsolete. Likewise Elves should be able to dual-wield, and use Lances, but be less effective than a Human or Giant (in terms of strength) I literally have a friend who quit elf melee, and adventually mabi all together because elves lacked the weapon varity of a Human or Giant (Annnnd becausecontentisaissueforNexon).Not because Elves are weaker in melee, but because she lacked the option entirely.
  
  
  I do wish Mabinogi had the indepth option for nimble users like meh thought. I'd love too build my character for speed, and have that actually affect gameplay.
  
  [S]I just realized, I'm Sonic x__x[/S]
• Rydian wrote on 2015-04-10 05:33
  While I can appreciate diversity in games, when options are so limited for certain races that people stop playing (understandable since "a character" is tons of work in Mabi) that it becomes a problem, I wouldn't be opposed to racial differences being limited to end stats and some combat mechanics.
• Twin wrote on 2015-04-10 07:22

  Quote from Rydian;1270688:

  While I can appreciate diversity in games, when options are so limited for certain races that people stop playing (understandable since "a character" is tons of work in Mabi) that it becomes a problem, I wouldn't be opposed to racial differences being limited to end stats and some combat mechanics.

  
  
  Combat mechanics are effy. Part of the reason I never stuck with Elves is because the combat mechanic dual-wielding wasn't optional. That's my go to weapon-set for any game that has it. If my race doesn't allow that, then its a big issue. It'd be safe to just let new users know what their getting into when they pick their race, and limit all racial differences to stats and effectiveness only. Not limited skills and weapon access.So with that being said
  
  I wouldn't oppose to Human,Giant and Elf only related things were universal. Arrow revolver using giants, javelin throwing elves and blunt dual-wielding Humans wouldn't hurt at all. I'm a firm believer of ''If it's not broken, then don't fix it'' and Mabi is all broken sooo...
• Rydian wrote on 2015-04-10 07:44
  By "mechanics", I meant how some skills that can be used by each race differ.
  Like Smash having a different multiplier for giants, and with the Renovation update different proc chances.
  
  I'd be in support of removing skill and equipment restrictions and making the class differences into stat and skill effects (though not to a huge extent).
• Noctuneko wrote on 2015-04-10 07:54
  Ha, making archery overpowered seems unlikely.. seeing how they're quickly burrying it in neglection specially elven archery...
  There's so much that could be done to fix or improve it that is overwhelming, it's beyond obvious nexon doesn't cares about having balanced skillsets -.-
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-04-10 07:59

  Quote from Lukshad;1270611:

  Can someone give me the rundown on the Alban Training Hall thing? I tried looking it up, but I can't read the pages. I watched a youtube video of a giant slinging javelins to kill the boss, and in the end he got perfect training for something. I just don't really get what it is/does.

  
  
  I plan on trying to do a run with Teto tonight. I have some old footage that I have yet to upload due to laziness and just general unwillingness to really detail it.
  
  Gist is there's several floors with 4 rooms. You can modify the difficulty of it as well as a few other factors like party size with specific stones you obtain (I forget how you obtain them). Each room has several spawns once you hit the orb and get increasingly difficult each floor you go up on.
  
  Final boss of the dungeon is an Alban Golem. Some of the rewards are totems you can modify and enhance.
  
  

  Quote from wallrocha;1270659:

  Can you guys make a post about the new event pleeeeease? :3

  
  
  I'll see what I can dig up about it. An image alone probably isn't going to tell you much.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-04-10 08:05

  Quote from Rydian;1270692:

  By "mechanics", I meant how some skills that can be used by each race differ.
  Like Smash having a different multiplier for giants, and with the Renovation update different proc chances.
  
  I'd be in support of removing skill and equipment restrictions and making the class differences into stat and skill effects (though not to a huge extent).

  
  
  I made a suggestion thread similar to this but many people are against this because they don't want all races to basically be same.