Thoughts on Renovation?

• Kapra wrote on 2015-05-19 21:05

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1275627:

  Frankly I have 0 faith in Nexon. I don't trust that someone will pick up NA Mabinogi so frankly I'm going to enjoy what enjoyment I do get out of Mabinogi while I can. I already vowed that Mabinogi was the last Nexon game I would play. It's why I've already wrote off Tree of Savior.

  
  Tree of Savior's contract with Nexon KR doesn't restrict them to Nexon for other regions. It may still use a different publisher in the US, or unlikely but possibly be self-published.
• Blissfulkill wrote on 2015-05-19 21:28

  Quote from Nui;1275609:

  Just so you know, the NA branch of nexon has absolutely NO sway when it comes to actual content being changed from kr. By this I mean if you want a big change it has to most likely happen in KR or on other servers first or it wont happen, simply because KR doesnt give a shit about NA branch and would rather close it than deal with customers trying to push them around by not buying NX anymore. You may not realize how powerless the NA branch is but I've witnessed it on vindictus before and I was pretty disappointed by it. Long story short, NA wanted an Avatar set to be released as a "buy it now" option instead of being put in gacha like the other servers and the NA team went to great lengths to try and make it happen, sadly the KR branch shot it down quite vehemently and forced them to put it in the gacha (or at least thats wat was told to us by the CM). When it comes to these games, nexon KR only cares about profits and how to capitalize on them more than how their playerbase feels even if its only a slight loss in profit to make the community feel better....
  
  Also another thing Id like to add, this may be a bit blunt but companies like Nexon make content and games that pander to the lowest common denominator of the gaming community. This means they are only looking at the ones that dont care about playing a game that requires thought or skill, they care about making a game that has people willing to spend tons of money to make themselves feel like gods so that all they have to do is look in the general direction of the enemy they are fighting to destroy them. Any "difficult" content that Nexon releases is quickly overcome by insane amounts of gear and transformed into an extremely trivial piece of content meant only to be farmed in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of thought required. Nexon has neither the resources nor the motivation to make challenging content that might potentially make them lose a huge chunk of their community who cant simply "buy" their ways through it with overwhelming power due to extremely expensive gear.
  
  tl;dr Wasting time and energy complaining about content difficulty and what nexon can and cant do in the NA branch will only give u a massive headache and I recommend you just sit back and enjoy the view however you can instead of getting angry at everything that turns out to be the next "OP-OMG-GODMODE" skill thats added.

  
  Did that really happen? Vindictus doesn't have the same gatcha culture as Mabinogi. Whatever's in the Gatcha is whatever obtainable in the game.
• Bunny wrote on 2015-05-19 22:24

  Quote from Kelvas;1275630:

  I bet we're all disappointed in the archer renovation. I highly doubt this, but I'm still hoping for an archery renovation part 2.

  
  
  As a full time archer, I can definitely say that I feel quite neutral about the renovation. I'm surprised they're even renovating it at all, really.
  At this stage of the game, archery stinks for most team plays and investing in it now wouldn't be that great. If they nerf something, oh well! By the time I finish loading up crash shot with a group of people, most of the mobs are dead anyways (that's bad enough). Urgent shot seems pretty cool though.
• Fracture wrote on 2015-05-19 23:49
  Considering how old archery is and how badly it needed some updates to bring it in line with newer content (especially the wtfOP melee update) the announcements for the range update were... lackluster.
  
  Here, have piercing crossbows (sort of), a better piercing crossbow (sort of), some QOL stuff, and the Archery version of Bullet Slide.
  
  ...Come on, really? Nothing else?
• Bunny wrote on 2015-05-19 23:51

  Quote from Fracture;1275660:

  Considering how old archery is and how badly it needed some updates to bring it in line with newer content (especially the wtfOP melee update) the announcements for the range update were... lackluster.
  
  Here, have piercing crossbows (sort of), a better piercing crossbow (sort of), some QOL stuff, and the Archery version of Bullet Slide.
  
  ...Come on, really? Nothing else?

  
  
  Yeah, I have pretty low expectations and almost no hope for anything super awesome coming for archery =(
• Kenero wrote on 2015-05-20 00:02

  Quote from Bunny;1275662:

  Yeah, I have pretty low expectations and almost no hope for anything super awesome coming for archery =(

  
  
  The thing I dislike about Archery is that it's really reforge reliant.
  
  I mean, when it is reforged, it is amazing! But for it to be so reforge reliant is a problem.
  
  Something that needs to be address.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-05-20 00:05
  the thing is that archery is still god tier in korea because archery only has downsides in NA
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2015-05-20 00:06

  Quote from Kenero;1275665:

  The thing I dislike about Archery is that it's really reforge reliant.
  
  I mean, when it is reforged, it is amazing! But for it to be so reforge reliant is a problem.
  
  Something that needs to be address.

  
  
  even when reforged it's quite lackluster since you actually have to load the skill, then aim
  
  by the time you do that, most of the time over 80% of the stuff is already dead
  
  archery execution is too slow compared to other skillsets and reforges don't change that
• Blissfulkill wrote on 2015-05-20 00:10

  Quote from Kazusa Touma;1275667:

  even when reforged it's quite lackluster since you actually have to load the skill, then aim
  
  by the time you do that, most of the time over 80% of the stuff is already dead
  
  archery execution is too slow compared to other skillsets and reforges don't change that

  
  
  I don't know if I mind archery being the sniper burst damage class of Mabinogi.
• Yai wrote on 2015-05-20 00:12
  I'm waiting for the magic update to hit NA before I express my full opinion on that part but honestly I'm really excited for it.
  
  Even ignoring the new skills just having a better snapcast and faster charge times sounds like a godsend.
• Bunny wrote on 2015-05-20 00:54

  Quote from Blissfulkill;1275669:

  I don't know if I mind archery being the sniper burst damage class of Mabinogi.

  
  
  Except when everything is already dead when you're running with a group so there's no damage to burst
  =( ETERNAL STRUGGLES
• Blissfulkill wrote on 2015-05-20 01:25

  Quote from Bunny;1275675:

  Except when everything is already dead when you're running with a group so there's no damage to burst
  =( ETERNAL STRUGGLES

  
  
  I guess no one likes being useless. *I forgot all about those poor clerics.
• Kelvas wrote on 2015-05-20 01:44

  Quote from Blissfulkill;1275678:

  I forgot all about those poor clerics.

  
  
  Lol what are those? Never heard of them.
  Closest thing I can think of are the personal cloud army that everyone these days seem to have.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-05-20 03:26

  Quote from Kazusa Touma;1275667:

  even when reforged it's quite lackluster since you actually have to load the skill, then aim
  
  by the time you do that, most of the time over 80% of the stuff is already dead
  
  archery execution is too slow compared to other skillsets and reforges don't change that

  
  
  Archery has tons of issues.
  
  - Elves have latency issues with light ranged skills
  - Heavily reforge reliant
  - Accuracy system
  -- Adds up to 8 seconds to each skill's execution
  -- Discourages use of the talent at greater distances
  - Skills are divided between races, reduced versatility
  - Comparatively low multipliers
  
  The biggest problem with archery is that everything else is way too fucking fast and strong. Crash Shot isn't all that impressive now that we have AOE skills which deal anywhere from 400~1100% damage, with full accuracy and comparable cooldowns. Magnum Shot's DPS, while still the potential highest in Mabinogi, drops significantly against elemental-immune targets and accuracy issues hold it back.
  
  The joke of an archery renovation changed pretty much nothing. Final Shot and Mirage Missile are functionally the same as they were before. Magic Missile's cooldown wasn't reduced. The majority of archery skills and mechanics are exactly the same.
  
  The only noticeable changes were to Support Shot (making it easier to use) and crossbows (allowing the player to run w/all ranged skills). Honestly, I was a big fan crossbow's mobility restriction for heavy ranged skills. It added a bit of nuance to the weapon. The only influence that this will have on the community will be the rush of new crossbow users who want a cheap alternative to the Bhafel combo. Unfortunately, these people will overlook that even with a weapon of that caliber, the talent still sucks.
• Syliara wrote on 2015-05-20 06:51

  Quote from Blissfulkill;1275647:

  Did that really happen? Vindictus doesn't have the same gatcha culture as Mabinogi. Whatever's in the Gatcha is whatever obtainable in the game.

  
  
  The gacha im referring to is a special event gacha that is released every now and then for different events having different items in them. The one in question was the royal pouch (or something like that) which had 2 very sought after Avatar sets that had previously never been released and it had a bunch of other goodies that couldnt be obtained by any other means as well. The rate at which the avatar sets that people really wanted were given out from the gacha were exceedingly low sometimes taking upwards of 500$ to even see it pop up (doesnt even mean you would be able to get it). Not only that but a female character had the chance to obtain the male variant that was perma bound to that char and completely useless at that point and vice versa for males getting the female version. This got a lot of negative feedback by the NA playerbase and they pretty much begged nexon to do something about it before putting it on the Na server. The CM and other gm's said they would try to make it a buy now option instead of something that comes in the form of gacha only, however they were shot down by KR when they proposed it to them. The only thing they were able to do about it was to "increase the rate at which it appears in the gacha" and to make them tradeable so that people could actually get what they wanted through buying and selling or trading if they got the wrong version. While NA was able to accomplish a small change from the KR version they couldnt accomplish any major change at the request of the playerbase due to the restrictions placed on them by the KR branch.