General durability loss testing (requests encouraged).

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Rydian wrote on 2015-06-10 20:36

There's still a lot of rumors and questions going around about durability loss in Mabi.

What affects it, what doesn't, what skills may or may not use it, what actions do, what modifiers there are, etc. With patch mods, packet logging, and RAM viewing now it's simple enough to test since we can see the true values... but not everybody is willing or tech-savvy enough to do that that themselves.

So here you can request tests to be done.

Notes...
- Durability is kept in thousandths and rounded up.
13500/14000 shows up as "14/14"
02345/14000 shows up as "3/14"
00001/14000 shows up as "1/14", though the next hit will cause that item to hit "0/14".

- Standard melee attacks with items cause 1-30 (0.001-0.030) durability loss, half that blessed, for comparison.

As an opener, the wiki mentioned that critical hits use extra durability. After testing both magic and melee, I found no correlation between durability loss and critical hits (or splash damage for that matter).

[spoiler="Blessed Hermit Staff, Icebolt"]
28426
28421 -5
28416 -5 (crit)
28411 -5
28407 -4
28403 -4
28398 -5 (crit)
28393 -5 (crit)
28385 -8
28380 -5
28375 -5
28368 -8 (crit)
28360 -8
28354 -6 (crit)
28346 -8 (crit)
28342 -4
28336 -6
28328 -8
28320 -8 (crit)
28312 -8
28304 -8[/spoiler]
[spoiler="Blessed Celtic Warrior Axe, Normal Attacks"]
13603
13600 -3
13595 -5 (crit)
13589 -6
13583 -6
13568 -15
13561 -7
13559 -2 (2 hit)
13551 -8
13543 -8
13529 -14
13524 -5
13519 -5 (crit, 2 hit)
13514 -5 (2 hit)
13505 -9
13499 -6
13489 -10 (5 hit)
13488 -1 (crit)
13478 -10
13467 -11[/spoiler]
Poshwosh wrote on 2015-06-10 21:48

Good stuff! I'd love to know why my savage fire wand breaks so quickly. Does it consume 5 times the durability with chain cast or it's just my imagination?

And since I'm going frugal here, does Rock Throw consume durability? What about Shockwave?
callback wrote on 2015-06-10 22:04

I had someone do a bit of testing before too, to confirm a few details. It's 50% for bless, 25% reduced for VIP, and 33% reduced for CRK swords. All 3 bonuses are multiplicative, for 75% reduction total. (1/2*2/3*3/4 = 1/4).

I sadly lost contact before I could ask about testing on armor while CRKs were equipped to see if the bonus extends beyond the swords themselves.

It also appears dura loss values are truncated instead of rounded when applying these to an attack. For example, bash which uses a fixed 30, after applying full 75% reduction, always consumes 7, not 8.
Willi0966 wrote on 2015-06-10 23:26

Can you check if durability really does go down if you AFK? I want to know for weapons and clothing alike. If you need specific ones, try a battle sword, Leather Shoes, and Slender Robe.
Poshwosh wrote on 2015-06-11 00:07

It definitely goes down for clothes, my robe breaks constantly at 1 durability without fighting anything.
I'm not sure about weapons though.
Rydian wrote on 2015-06-11 09:33

Quote from Poshwosh;1277873:
Good stuff! I'd love to know why my savage fire wand breaks so quickly. Does it consume 5 times the durability with chain cast or it's just my imagination?
[spoiler="Blessed Savage Lightning Wand, Firebolt"]
16856
16848 -8
16844 -4
16839 -5
16831 -8
16823 -8[/spoiler][spoiler="Blessed Savage Fire Wand, Firebolt CC +4"]
15869
15832 -37
15798 -34
15772 -26
15743 -29
15706 -37[/spoiler]
Yup, CC +4 eats up 5x durability as if you cast it all yourself.

Quote from Poshwosh;1277873:
And since I'm going frugal here, does Rock Throw consume durability? What about Shockwave?
[spoiler="Blessed Celtic Warrior Axe, Rock Throw (Attacking)"]
13384
13384 -0
13384 -0
13384 -0
13384 -0
13384 -0[/spoiler][spoiler="Blessed Krkrirjurkjrijr Half-Plate Armor, Rock Throw (Getting Hit)"]
19324
19317 -7
19307 -10
19302 -5
19295 -7
19289 -6[/spoiler][spoiler="Blessed Krkrirjurkjrijr Half-Plate Armor, Normal Attacks (Getting Hit)"]
19249
19243 -6
19235 -8
19228 -7
19219 -9
19209 -10[/spoiler]
Getting hit with Rock Throw uses dura on your stuff. The normal attack test is for comparison to show it's around the same dura (and not tons more like an older rumor).

[spoiler="Blessed Hermit Staff, Shockwave"]
25841
25832 -9
25821 -11
25813 -8
25799 -14 (2 hit)
25788 -11 (2 hit)[/spoiler]
Yup it uses dura, slightly more than a single bolt?

Quote from callback;1277875:
I sadly lost contact before I could ask about testing on armor while CRKs were equipped to see if the bonus extends beyond the swords themselves.
I'd test combos and stuff but I lack CRKs and service.

Quote from callback;1277875:
It also appears dura loss values are truncated instead of rounded when applying these to an attack. For example, bash which uses a fixed 30, after applying full 75% reduction, always consumes 7, not 8.
It's an integer, so yeah that makes sense.

Quote from Willi0966;1277899:
Can you check if durability really does go down if you AFK? I want to know for weapons and clothing alike. If you need specific ones, try a battle sword, Leather Shoes, and Slender Robe.
[spoiler="Blessed Hermit Staff, AFKing 5 minutes at a time"]
25788
25785 -3
25782 -3
25779 -3
25776 -3
25773 -3[/spoiler][spoiler="Blessed Krkrirjurkjrijr Half-Plate Armor, AFKing 5 minutes at a time"]
18438
18430 -8
18422 -8
18414 -8
18406 -8
18398 -8[/spoiler][spoiler="Blessed Lirina's Cap, AFking 5 minutes at a time"]
14439
14437 -2
14434 -3
14431 -3
14428 -3
14425 -3[/spoiler]
So it does, at a different rate for different types of equipment.

So at the rate observed, it would take 10 hours AFK to lose 1 dura point on (blessed) armor.
Weapons and other slots are slower, ~28 hours AFK to lose 1 dura point on them (blessed).
ironwoman wrote on 2015-06-11 09:44

Can you test out bows?

I mean as a main archer, I strongly feel that I lose durability pretty damn quick. Would also be interesting to test out on Elves as well because double arrows, though I'm pretty sure the answer is that it does consume twice the durability.
Osayidan wrote on 2015-06-11 11:21

Another thing I've heard (and sometimes feel is true) is durability loss is spread across equipment (head/hands/body/acc) when afk or being hit. So if you wear a single piece it goes down faster than wearing a full set. In the same way that people used to say to prof your armor, take off everything except your armor and afk when you sleep.
Rydian wrote on 2015-06-11 11:47

Quote from ironwoman;1277937:
Can you test out bows?

I mean as a main archer, I strongly feel that I lose durability pretty damn quick. Would also be interesting to test out on Elves as well because double arrows, though I'm pretty sure the answer is that it does consume twice the durability.
Human...
[spoiler="Blessed Black Dragon Knight's Bow, Normal Hits"]
19319
19312 -7
19298 -4
19288 -10
19288 -0
19283 -5
19282 -2
19277 -5
19269 -8
19259 -10
19257 -2
19248 -9
19224 -24
19219 -5
19211 -8
19197 -14
19194 -3
19192 -2
19186 -6
19169 -17?
19159 -10[/spoiler][spoiler="Blessed Black Dragon Knight's Bow, Normal (Missing)"]
19152
19150 -2
19143 -7
19129 -14
19116 -13
19106 -10
19106 -0
19094 -12
19084 -10
19073 -11
19070 -3
19063 -7
19053 -10
19050 (dura tick)
19040 -10
19032 -8
19030 -2
19022 -8
19007 -15
19002 -5
19000 -2
18989 -11
18974 -15
18969 -5
18969 -0
18965 -4
18964 -1
18957 -7[/spoiler]

Elf...
[spoiler="Blessed Elven Long Bow, Normal On Raccoons (1 Arrow Hit)"]
5932
5917 -15
5916 -1
5904 -12
5889 -15
5887 -2
5880 -3
5874 -6
5863 -11
5853 -10
5842 -11 (miss)
5841 -1
5837 -4
5833 -4
5824 -9
5819 -5
5809 -10
5799 -10
5787 -12
5773 -14
5763 -10[/spoiler][spoiler="Blessed Elven Long Bow, Normal On Bears/Wisps (2 Arrows Hit)"]
5741
5735 -6
5720 -15
5706 -14
5703 -3 (damage tick)
5700 -3
5689 -11
5674 -15
5666 -8
5653 -13
5643 -10
5629 -14
5620 -9 (crit one-shot)
5610 -10 (crit one-shot)
5605 -5
5593 -12
5582 -11
5581 -1 (crit one-shot)
5567 -14
5562 -5
5559 -3 (damage tick)
5557 -2
5541 -16?
5525 -16?
5524 -1 (crit one-shot)
5518 -6
5499 -19?[/spoiler]

The double arrow shot does not appear to impact durability use, which is surprising. Also it seems that the base durability loss on bows might be a higher range than other items. Grabbed an unblessed fresh one to test.

[spoiler="Short Bow, Normal Attacks"]
6000
6000 -0
5981 -19
5972 -9
5968 -4
5950 -18
5931 -19
5921 -10
5908 -13
5892 -16
5868 -24
5844 -24
5835 -9
5829 -6
5814 -15
5782 -32 (miss)
5757 -25
5753 -4
5721 -32 (miss)
5690 -31 (miss)
5562 -28
5550 -12
5543 -17
5528 -15(miss)
5494 -34
5494 -0
5484 -10
5480 -4
5470 -10
5454 -16
5448 -6[/spoiler]
So it looks like ranged weapons might have a slightly higher durability loss in general than weapons used to smack things.
Rydian wrote on 2015-06-11 12:54

Quote from Osayidan;1277941:
Another thing I've heard (and sometimes feel is true) is durability loss is spread across equipment (head/hands/body/acc) when afk or being hit. So if you wear a single piece it goes down faster than wearing a full set. In the same way that people used to say to prof your armor, take off everything except your armor and afk when you sleep.
Went into Alby with a hat, shoes, and armor. Spawned bats, got hit by them over 150 times. No effing way I'm typing all that out. So I recorded the values in difference mode and then normalized the frame timings so you can see each decrease instead.

Fast, so you can see the distribution...

[Image: http://i.imgur.com/RW9Lt2D.gif]

Slow, so you can see the numbers...

[Image: http://i.imgur.com/qrqKcaa.gif]

(The cuts are me repositioning myself because the bats were too stupid to figure out how to get into the corner they beat me against).

Starting...
Hat: 15170
Armor: 18026
Shoes: 9076

Ending...
Hat: 14662 (-508)
Armor: 17286 (-740)
Shoes: 8967 (-109)

Armor took the most damage, then hat, then shoes... but each hit only affected one piece at a time. It picks one piece of equipment to do durability damage to, it doesn't spread it around.

Also on the 5 minute tick, all things seem to get the dura loss regardless of what else exists.

If I can get a better spot to be whacked endlessly in (without having to pull myself out of a corner repeatedly) I might repeat this test with a full set of equipment another time.
Osayidan wrote on 2015-06-11 15:56

I think the part where it chooses one piece to affect durability on when being hit probably led to the explanation that it's spread across the equipment since it would give that impression to anyone not seeing the real numbers.

For the being afk part though I think that myth is busted *gets sued for use of mythbusters trademark*
Citrusjuice wrote on 2015-06-11 20:12

Can you go more indepth with tick? Example: if i were to have raincast cd boots and every time i need to re-rain, i equip then unequipped immediately, does that mean I'll never have to repair these boots since you lose dur only on ticks?

Also, in case you didn't know, the cd applies when the boots are on so if your raincast is on x second cd and i equip the boots, you can rain immediately.
Rydian wrote on 2015-06-11 20:44

Quote from Citrusjuice;1278022:
Can you go more indepth with tick? Example: if i were to have raincast cd boots and every time i need to re-rain, i equip then unequipped immediately, does that mean I'll never have to repair these boots since you lose dur only on ticks?

Also, in case you didn't know, the cd applies when the boots are on so if your raincast is on x second cd and i equip the boots, you can rain immediately.
If you can manage to avoid having stuff equipped on a tick (ticks control more than dur loss, they also control weight changes so they'll count down happen regardless of what's on or not on at the time) then yeah it won't lose any dur. But actually timing that seems kinda' meh when the loss is so little.
X wrote on 2015-06-11 22:08

Quote from callback;1277875:
I sadly lost contact before I could ask about testing on armor while CRKs were equipped to see if the bonus extends beyond the swords themselves.

Tanked some bear hits. Dura loss with Blessed Dustin + VIP:
[CODE]16041
16035 (-6)
16030 (-5)
16024 (-6)
16019 (-5)
16012 (-7)
16006 (-6)[/CODE]

Blessed Dustin + VIP + CRK:
[CODE]16072
16069 (-3)
16066 (-3)
16062 (-4)
16060 (-2)
16057 (-3)[/CODE]

So yes, CRK dura reduction applies to everything.

However, this data seems to point to CRK reduction as being 50%, which makes sense, as I recall the whole point of CRKs is to cater to bash. Since bash is about 2x dura loss, CRKs being 50% dura loss to rein it in makes sense.
Willi0966 wrote on 2015-06-12 06:17

How much durability does a Mining Drill(Hillwen) lose per ore gathering attempt? And thanks for testing the AFK thing.

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