[Mabinogi-KR] Send your ideas to DevCat - Summer Edition!

• Zeo wrote on 2015-07-06 16:08

  Quote from Code2008;1281073:

  I took that into consideration when I wrote this last year. The reason for making it restricted by titles is simply to help negate power creep. However, if there is a way to make it so it's not flat out power-creep from it, then I'm all for it.

  
  
  Hmm... Since you do spend AP for the DAN ranks... It'd help if the skill get a small boost... Even if it is really tiny. For example... R1 smash get you 500%... Maybe having DAN rank 5 (assuming it's the final rank) to make smash do 550% damage instead with a reduced cooldown of like... Maybe 0.5 second shorter?
• Kapra wrote on 2015-07-06 19:59
  @Code, you forgot Fighter.
• Eos wrote on 2015-07-06 20:48

  Quote from Zeo;1281076:

  Hmm... Since you do spend AP for the DAN ranks... It'd help if the skill get a small boost... Even if it is really tiny. For example... R1 smash get you 500%... Maybe having DAN rank 5 (assuming it's the final rank) to make smash do 550% damage instead with a reduced cooldown of like... Maybe 0.5 second shorter?

  
  
  This, but frankly if the Dans are exponentially harder to get they should actually give better skill boosts than you can get from the standard ranking system so they're actually worth the effort of acquiring, especially since each dan rank is already an actual rank of the skill its attached to. May as well make it count for something.
• Kenero wrote on 2015-07-07 00:01
  Alright guys, we're closing up.
  
  It'll be a few days before we get a decision, however most likely due to the small amounts of request, we may just translate almost all suggestions (with the exception of non detail ones such as asking for change without detailing how or why).
  
  We'll make another topic in a few days about our decision.
  
  Thanks.
• Code2008 wrote on 2015-07-07 01:41

  Quote from Kapra;1281099:

  @Code, you forgot Fighter.

  
  
  Ah, whoops. Sorry about that. I think I forgot about it when I copy/pasted from word. Should be fixed shortly.
  
  
  As in, I have to make a 3rd post since I reached the character limit again...
  
  =====Fighter=====
  
  [SPOILER="Fighter"]1st Dan:
  Prefix Title - "the _____"
  Title Bonus: While wearing the Dan Prefix title, fighter skills increased by 2%.
  Special Bonuses: None unlocked.
  
  2nd Dan:
  Prefix Title - "the _____"
  Title Bonus: While wearing the Dan Prefix title, fighter skills increased by 4%.
  Special Bonuses: None unlocked.
  
  3rd Dan:
  Prefix Title - "the Champion"
  Title Bonus: While wearing the Dan Prefix title, fighter skills increased by 6%.
  Special Bonuses:
  

  
  
  • Secret Fighter Part-Time Job
    
  • [Placeholder]
    

  
  
  4th Dan:
  Prefix Title - "the Dragon"
  Title Bonus: While wearing the Dan Prefix title, fighter skills increased by 8%.
  Special Bonuses:
  

  
  
  • Secret Fighter Part-Time Job
    
  • [Placeholder]
    

  
  
  
  5th Dan:
  Prefix Title - "the Fighter Grand"
  Title Bonus: While wearing the Dan Prefix title, fighter skills increased by 10%.
  Special Bonuses:
  

  
  
  • Secret Fighter Part-Time Job
    
  • [Placeholder]
    

  [/SPOILER]
• Ghostmonkey wrote on 2015-07-07 08:30
  i'd like new race exclusive skills
  
  there isn't any race exclusive skills for elven mages. how about a nice elf only magic skill called reflex! :D reflex any projectile skill back at others
  
  giants should have more combo fun with fighter just to be fair like a step 1 giant only AoE?
  
  humans... uhh pshh idk give them goku skills or something cause they already too strong =3=;
  
  -Folicacid
  -Alexia server
• Drizzit wrote on 2015-07-07 16:00
  Fix the monster AI and skills to make them competitive with the new combat system.
• Twin wrote on 2015-07-07 20:48

  Quote from Ghostmonkey;1281154:

  i'd like new race exclusive skills
  
  there isn't any race exclusive skills for elven mages. how about a nice elf only magic skill called reflex! :D reflex any projectile skill back at others
  
  giants should have more combo fun with fighter just to be fair like a step 1 giant only AoE?
  
  humans... uhh pshh idk give them goku skills or something cause they already too strong =3=;
  
  -Folicacid
  -Alexia server

  
  
  Your skill ideas kinda need to go into full detail >.<
  
  Humans do already have [S]Kaio-ken[/S] -I mean Final Hit and lol
• Kapra wrote on 2015-07-07 21:52
  No more suggestions here please, the entry period is over.
• TacticalNut wrote on 2015-07-09 16:00
  IGU-TacticalNut
  Server-Tarlach
  
  I believe we should have a clothing update that makes all the older clothing up to date, make some wigs also normal Hairstyles, and fix the player models.
  Clothing- The clothing recently is really nice and detailed while the clothing that has been here forever looks awful, Also it would look better if things like the alch in training outfit wasnt so stiff and clothes had a natural flow. they proved this is possible with the SAO events outfits. I think if they were to update the older clothing and make them a bit more realistic moving it would make the games clothing better and keeps the game fresh.
  Hairstyles/Wigs- The hairstyles are ok, but all the new wigs and such are so much better. I have the count cookie wig and I love the style on it but whenever i want to wear the full set on my outfits which have a head piece I just hate my old bland hair, this could help mabi because it will make people buy more pons to update their hairstyles. And the wigs like I said are wonderful but like the Asuna ALO hair if you went into a combat stance it would go right through your stomach.. i think the hair should have some physics that would make them kinda flow if they are long and keeps them from going through the player and their clothing.
  Player Models-The player models are very attractive and nice, but there is some flaws like the wrists being detached and your whole arm coming off also the legs have a strange point on them while the feet should get a touch up as-well. Also if they fix these it would make people buy the outfits that they couldn't wear because of the problem with the shoulders looking so bad (Battle School Uniform).
• Kapra wrote on 2015-07-09 21:51
  Please stop writing new idea posts or we'll have to lock the thread.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-07-09 22:20
  I don't understand why you guys haven't locked already.
• Noctuneko wrote on 2015-07-12 19:25

  Quote from ironwoman;1281063:

  I'm sorry, but your understanding of end game gear and damage is really twisted. I'm not sure which players you're comparing, but I can give you counterexample for everything you just said.
  
  You don't think I do lots of life skills? I have a lot of them ranked to support my archery. And if we are really going to implement other fashion stuff materials to drop from wild, then the wild mob system has to get reworked significantly, because right now, even my Giant alt that is total 500 can just about kill everything out in the wild right now. You want the mats, you have to work for it, kill harder mobs, etc.
  
  As for dual axes, sure, there's looks, but in terms of functionality and balancing, it doesn't bring much to the game. You could say dual wielding Franciscas and smashing might bring more damage that dual wielding CRK and smashing because of the additional R upgrade multiplier, but again, it doesn't change the fact that CRK will still out-dps through bash and FH, and humans will still use CRK.
  
  As for pet time, you said it yourself. People don't care about the summon time and summon them briefly for the short effect. However, when pets first came out though, watching the summoning time was the main message. As this isn't the case anymore, it doesn't matter if summon time exists or not, and therefore, doesn't matter if this gets updated or not. It really won't bring anything different to the game play. Also worth noting that some pets you still have to watch for summon time, most namely gathering pets, for which I'd think it's smarter to have summon time on.
  
  Magic easily has highest DPS? Please. Elf magnum. And even human magnum can outdamage with enough damage. Blaze CAN be used for things other than MA... doesn't mean it's the best skill to use in other places. Right now, the insta clearing mobs with Blaze is done through mainly two ways: Have a puppet act 6 -> act 4 then blaze, or IS and blaze. The first option, while good for insta clearing, doesn't really have much else left for another 20 seconds. As for IS, the change made it so that the freeze is longer, as well as the bad damage. With IS method, you're essentially lowering AoE dps, which can be easily covered by end game gunners, or even end game crash shot. A midgame mage could easily outdo an endgame ranger's mag? All right, let's see if that's true. Right now end game lightning rod is considered 60k-70k crit. So let's assume 40-50k crit for lightning rod. Let's use me as an example, even though I still have some dex skills to finish, let's consider myself "end-game", although one could argue that's not true. Right now, with my Bhafel Combo, I can do 12-14k magnum no crit with regular BFO. Now add on haunting to that, which brings upto 13-16k per mag. I could add other buffs too but I'm not going to. Why? Because that's enough to out DPS lightning rod. If my magnum crits, I can hit more than 50k. And I can bring this damage up even more because I don't have magnum 20 gloves or magnum 3 accs. There, "end game" archer is outdamaging mid game mage Lightning Rod. Oh, and what's that? Lightning Rod has 15 sec cooldown? Magnum has literally 1/10 of that on human. With other buffs, I can easily out damage end game mages too. While I agree archery is a really high cost class, reward isn't as low as you might think. As for range being in the bottom, that's highly debatable. I'm not gonna argue that it's in the top, but there are couple candidates in the lower tier area, namely alchemy and fighter, which are valued worse than ranged right now, and didn't even get a buff in renovation. Magic would honestly be below range if it weren't for Lightning Rod and Firebolt. Charge is meant to be a useful skill, but it's not meant to be a skill that works as a free gap closer. Gap closers usually have counters and charge isn't an exception.
  
  As for your argument for melee elf, you can't compare that to Giant throwing attack, because throwing attack is still grossly inferior to range, and Elf melee is actually much more viable than Giant range. I mean, we have an elf who's smashing 280k. If you're choosing a race, you're making a choice, and also have to be aware there will be costs. Elf melee is no exception.
  
  As for the gachas, if you think "end game" gears are coming from gacha, oh boy... you have a looooong way to go. If you're really thinking those Oblivion Elegant shoes that are 99% of the time used as burns, or Classic peaceful gauntlets that don't last usage of 3 months average are end game, you really gotta step up your gear game. The real "op end game gears" are made by players, although reforge is still p2w. BDK sword and BDK bow being the best? PLEASE. They were never the best when they came out, and never will be. Lances have always outclassed BDK swords at early-mid game damage, and even as of now, Lances being outdated, there are many other outclassing weapons. BDK bow the best bow? Ever heard of Bhafel hunter? Celtic Royal Crossbow? Even Highlander Long Bow R6 outclasses the BDK bow. If you're going to have a discussion about range and how bad it is (I'm not gonna say it's the best or even "good", but the points you make are really questionable from a point of experienced archer), at least have a good experience about range.

  
  
  Wow, you can find flaws in most of my ideas because you want to find them, last i checked this was a suggestion thread, but sure we can say mabi is perfectly fine as it is, there is no people complaining about it and we shouldn't change a thing about it right?.
  
  It wouldn't drop materials like gold.. it would be rare but still give hunting different animals a point.. im not saying kill 10 salamanders and get a bhafel hunter, which yes i have heard about it just happens to be hard as heck to get and even that doesn't makes archery justice the same amount of effort, time and money put into it could easily be twice as efficient put into anything else... (cept elven melee) Gl out dpsing a cc tribolt mage using firebolt with magnum "spam" when you dont miss.
  
  Anyway im not gonna bother trying to reply to each counterexample or try convince your or anyone who dislikes what i suggested cause its almost as pointless as suggesting to nexon how to fix their own game when they simply don't care. I am simply suggesting changes that in my and many other's opinion, with some work put into them, thinking and balancing could vastly improve Mabinogi gameplay, this isn't a brainstorm session, i don't work for nexon but if i did i'd more than glady polish the ideas until they worked right, i put in my 5 cents take or leave. Lots of "endgame" talk but theres more to a game than just that, specially for one that doesn't really.. ends.
  
  Also i find it funny that you assume i have a short experience on archery when i have been endlessly working on it since i started and i've been around for a long time.. to begin with i thought i didn't need to point out that i meant the Best of their class... Maybe it's you who needs to step up, maybe stop trying to bat everything i suggested and try to see it from other perspectives which you seem to be falling short on that aspect, anyway this is going nowhere, there really is no incentive for me to keep discussing it seriously any longer if i have to deal with those attitudes regardless.
• Twin wrote on 2015-07-12 20:47
  Yeeeaaaa... Should probably lock the thread now.