Request & Question Thread

• Roflorz wrote on 2015-09-07 23:22

  Quote from Darkboy132;1285998:

  Is there a way to code Barrier Spikes, Ice Mines, Arat Berry, etc. to be useable outside of dungeons and shadow/theatre missions?

  
  
  Sure. If you have access to the official server source code and client source code (or mod it).
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-09-08 00:17
  Is it possible to find out via the code what the possible colors for an item can be in an NPC shop. i.e., Wood items such as ladles, cooking tables, and fire wands ever not being their browns and what would be the chance of it?
• Roflorz wrote on 2015-09-08 05:27

  Quote from Esileruf;1286008:

  Is it possible to find out via the code what the possible colors for an item can be in an NPC shop. i.e., Wood items such as ladles, cooking tables, and fire wands ever not being their browns and what would be the chance of it?

  
  
  Colors are randomized based on all of the possible color for each part of the item's palettes.
  If an item has 2 parts that are leather and 1 part that is cloth, the color will be randomized to pick two colors from the leather palette and one color from the cloth palette the respective parts of the item.
• Juno wrote on 2015-09-08 18:17
  Is it possible to find out what, exactly, Finest Fabric/Silk weaving gloves actually do? Also, does rain have any effect on the quality of fabric/silk? Does Alban Eiler (monday)?
  
  Also, how can I leverage my massive favor with Walter into making him give me his daughter. For sacrifice.
• Roflorz wrote on 2015-09-08 19:29

  Quote from Juno;1286083:

  Is it possible to find out what, exactly, Finest Fabric/Silk weaving gloves actually do?

  
  
  Increases chance of getting those items by 5% of the base chance.
  Only the fine and finest gloves. Other ones are just for durability.
  
  AFAIK, rain doesn't affect quality of any production skill, only success rate.
• Juno wrote on 2015-09-08 20:44
  When it increases the chance of finest, where is it pulling that from? Is there a lower chance to make every other quality, or just one?
  
  Also, do we know the mechanics of White Spiders dropping webs or the drop chances of apples and berries?
• X wrote on 2015-09-08 23:18

  Quote from Juno;1286102:

  Also, do we know the mechanics of White Spiders dropping webs or the drop chances of apples and berries?

  
  
  A spider dropping webs is controlled by its AI. Basically, when the spider is wandering, it has a 22% chance to drop webs. If it decides to drop a web, it rolls another random. This time, it checks for 0.001%, or one out of a thousand. If you're that lucky 1/1,000, and if the spider has more than 200mp, it will drop 20~25 webs in the same place roughly half a second apart. Otherwise, it drops one web.
  
  Then, it waits 2~5 seconds and does it again.
  
  Trees et al. are defined in prodb.xml, where you'll find a "dropitemtyped" specification, which tells the game what category of items to drop. This references another file, which has actual chances in it. I don't remember which file it is off-hand, but I know it wasn't human-readable. So, here's a subset of the file, used in Aura: https://github.com/aura-project/aura/blob/master/system/db/prop_drops.txt
• Rydian wrote on 2015-09-10 08:59

  Quote from Esileruf;1286008:

  Is it possible to find out via the code what the possible colors for an item can be in an NPC shop. i.e., Wood items such as ladles, cooking tables, and fire wands ever not being their browns and what would be the chance of it?

  Palettes are in /data/color/ in the client and generally named properly.
  
  For example here's cloth.raw which is the normal cloth junk.
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/4CGTBcb.png]

  
  
  And cloth_bright.raw for whatever else, or "Northern Lights" as people call it?
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/wqhxvi7.png]

  
  
  I think silk.raw is used for nylon stuff?
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/HtzhsQr.png]

  
  
  Obvious what leather.raw is for.
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/jZGbGFP.png]

  
  
  They're 24-bit and most of them are 256x256 (if you want to open them in Irfanview and see for yourself), though some of them are just a few pixels, things like gold and bread. Older things that always have a fixed color on them tend to pull from a fixed palette, like there's a separate palette for meat items so they always look red no matter what they're dyed.
  
  Like these examples, the colors are just the leftmost pixels.
  
  Meat...
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/Fu2F4e0.png]

  
  
  Cheese...
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/phSJGoS.png]

  
  
  Wood...
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/PtaKQ6K.png]

  
  Looks like there's really only 4 pixels or so for wood, so items that use this palette will never show up with any other colors under normal generation rules. Only ones that come from events and gachas and other scripts that actively choose to generate them with specific colors or something.
  
  Note that this is a different concept from items that happen to be generated with specific colors every time. Like "Black Angel Wings" and "White Angel Wings" are actually recolorable and use the cloth palette, they can be generated with different colors on Aura for example. But all of the methods that generate them in-game in NA set them to specific colors and they can't have dye items used on them so the only ones you'll see on NA servers are black/white unless a GM manually generates a special pair (like those pink tiny guardian wings).
  
  So anyways the main answer for how common it'll be for items to come out with rare colors depends on the color palette they use, assuming you're only talking about ones generated from normal drops and NPCs.
  
  (Some dungeons can generate items with specific colors not normally obtainable but people haven't cared about that stuff since like G7.)
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-09-10 09:26
  
  
  • How does the spawn and despawn thing of Iria's artifacts work? Some can't be uncovered again in the same spot as soon as they despawn (except for Eye of the Suns), and artifacts tend to despawn in a relatively short time or almost immediately as soon as they're uncovered.
    
  • What do the mines have to say about Courcle artifact's stars affecting restoration success rate and value?
    
• Rydian wrote on 2015-09-10 15:23
  1 - Last time I looked at the artifact data files I laughed and closed them. I then burned them down down along with my computer, the house, and the rest of the block just to be sure. On a more serious note, artifacts are categorized by... something, probably their type/location in the world. Each category has a period specified. So assuming milliseconds it means that groups of artifacts are on timers (well duh) and some of the values I saw were 300, 270, 90, 360, 180, 60, 120, things like that. Sounds like it's their respawn timer, so to speak. Not sure on the vanish timer, that's probably a server engine thing.
  
  I'm not willing to go match up respawn timers to specific groups though. That'd involve cross-referencing coordinates and groups across multiple files, the main one literally being over 12,000 lines large. It'd actually be easier and more tolerable to measure the respawn time in-game.
  
  
  2 - Dunno', the current restoration function definitions aren't known to us. I haven't seen anything specific anywhere noting that success rate could be tied to that though, I think it's just the value. The inability to easily make both low-star and high-star items makes testing hard.
• KaibaYuuki wrote on 2015-09-11 22:50
  When i was running Math Adv for 3 with 2 girls i know we ran upon something interesting. Another girl whom none of us knew b4 this was in Iria in Karu Forest Dungeon(the one in Saga 1 ep 2) and she d/c and when she reconnected she found herself in math dungeon with us but outside of the walls. I managed to pull her thru the wall and she finished the dungeon with us, while it only gave us 3 chests. Im Curious as to how this could even be possible.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-09-12 20:14
  Is there anything in the mines related to Bookstore, Gallery, and Wine Shop in Tara marked on its minimap? Perhaps some npc, prop, or whatever related to them was scrapped?
• Rydian wrote on 2015-09-13 06:47
  Cliona, Colm, Corentin, Eluned, Finola, Guard Merchant, Hans, heledd, Ilsa, Keith, Lezard, Lileas, Nessa, Padan, Pencast, Tara_Guard, and Tara_Guard1 are the NPC scripts that exist for Tara.
  
  In the subnpc section it's like, gen NPCs and jousting things.
  
  And there's no maps for those areas that I can remember seeing either.
• KaibaYuuki wrote on 2015-09-14 16:38
  When i was running Math Adv for 3 with 2 girls i know we ran upon something interesting. Another girl whom none of us knew b4 this was in Iria in Karu Forest Dungeon(the one in Saga 1 ep 2) and she d/c and when she reconnected she found herself in math dungeon with us but outside of the walls. I managed to pull her thru the wall and she finished the dungeon with us, while it only gave us 3 chests. Im Curious as to how this could even be possible.
• Roflorz wrote on 2015-09-14 19:44

  Quote from KaibaYuuki;1286513:

  stuff.

  
  
  The first post was more than enough.