Request & Question Thread

• Rydian wrote on 2015-07-13 18:49
  Back when the client had overbearing security that lagged it so bad that Tara wouldn't load for most players, I got in via reducing all the game's textures to 16x16.
  
  http://mabination.com/threads/49229-Dr.-Texturehate-or-How-I-Learned-to-Stop-Crashing-and-Love-the-Tara
  
  It actually ran quite well.
• X wrote on 2015-07-14 01:02

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1281655:

  What do these do and how do they work?

  
  
  As near as I can tell, without access to server binaries, they're nothing more than places you can target the monster.
  
  The red dragon AI contains no references to it, and is actually a pretty boring AI. It's basically "Randomly choose dash, meteor, roar, thunder, etc". It contains no special reactions for anything. Rumors about "X skill doing Y against it" are untrue.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-07-14 18:46
  Is there any way to discover the exact effect of luck on gold drops/lucky finishes by using the g13 files or otherwise?
  
  The following wall of text is only for the inevitable person who will kindly redirect me to a wiki page stating that luck has 0 effect on lucky finishes, gold or any drop related activities:
  
  [SPOILER="clickme"]
  Let's say that people are using mods to allow doll bags to pick up marbles in 90 minute saga 4 sessions.
  For 3 weeks out of the event, they consistently got the same gold:marble distribution (1 marble is picked up every ~6.3k gold) without fail using 1 doll bag and ~80 luck at age 17 doing several sessions a day.
  
  For the last week of the event, they rebirth age 10 and switch to luck accessories and obtain 300+ luck. Since then, the distribution suddenly shifted to 1 marble per ~9.3k gold and continue getting consistent results still using only one doll bag. There are no CP changes relevant to the enemies in the mission or any other condition that has changed besides luck stat.
  
  Also, doll bags are limited in pickup speed and marble detection so they are not able to pick up nearly everything that drops but their limitations also make their pickup distribution very consistent. Actual drop rate of marbles is unchanged, since reverting to low luck via enchants gave the same results as before.
  
  Now, the above should be enough to show that luck does have some sort of effect, and due to dollbag limitations it would be safest to assume that there is just more gold being dropped so doll bags will spend more time going towards it rather than marbles. Whether the extra piles of gold are created via lucky finish or just by making normal gold drops larger amounts is unknown to me.
  [/SPOILER]
• Rydian wrote on 2015-07-14 19:58
  That would be related to actual stats and number calculations, which would be compiled into the client (or rather the old DLLs), but it's in machine code, which I have a limited understanding of.
• SozenCratosFocker wrote on 2015-07-14 20:15
  Back when most wiki editors cared about getting the information right, it said that luck determines the rate of lucky finish(but has no effect on normal gold amounts or other drops).
  
  Currently, the lucky finish page states that luck has no effect on lucky finish, and they prove luck has nothing to do with lucky finish by linking to a JP wiki article that gives the formula for how luck controls lucky finish.
  [SPOILER="copypaste"]

  Quote from JP wiki, http://mabinogi.wikiwiki.jp/index.php?%A5%B9%A5%C6%A1%BC%A5%BF%A5%B9#d0f70fab:

  Luck
  
  クリティカル率　ラッキーフィニッシュ、ラッキーボーナスの確率に影響
  
  Luck5あたりクリティカル率+1.0％
  ※クリティカル率計算式
  　　クリティカル率＝(Will-10)/10+(Luck-10)/5+武器・エンチャント補正
  
  Luck1あたりラッキーフィニッシュ発生率0.005倍ずつ上昇
  この効果はLuck180が上限 (Luck0の1.9倍)
  Luck10の時の発生確率：Lucky1/66　Big Lucky1/200　Huge Lucky1/1000
  
  採集時のラッキーボーナス発生率上昇
  ラッキーボーナスはラッキーフィニッシュと違い、Luck0では全く発生しない
  暫定計算式：Lucky=1/(2000/Luck)　Huge=1/(50000/Luck)
  180以上も効果有り。上限なし？
  
  低確率で遠隔攻撃を無効化
  非常に分かり辛い効果だが、PvPでエルフのレンジアタックやデュアルガンが1発だけ外れる事から確認できる
  計算式不明
  モンスター側にも発動する事がある。大半の敵はLuckが低いため超低確率
  
  ※2013/9/12アップデートで遠距離攻撃の完全回避追加

  
  

  Quote from Google translate:

  Luck
  
  Critical rate lucky finish, and impact on the probability of Lucky bonus
  
  Per Luck5 critical rate + 1.0%
  ※ critical rate formula
  Critical rate = (Will-10) / 10 + (Luck-10) / 5 + Weapons and Enchanted correction
  
  Rise by Lucky finish incidence 0.005 times per Luck1
  This effect Luck180 is an upper limit (1.9 times of Luck0)
  The probability of occurrence of the time of Luck10: Lucky1 / 66 Big Lucky1 / 200 Huge Lucky1 / 1000
  
  Lucky bonus increased incidence during collection
  Lucky bonus Unlike lucky finish, it is not at all occur in Luck0
  Interim formula: Lucky = 1 / (2000 / Luck) Huge = 1 / (50000 / Luck)
  There is also the effect of more than 180. No upper limit?
  
  To disable the remote attack at a low probability
  It is very to understand painful effect, Elf range attack and dual gun in PvP can be confirmed from the fact that deviate only 1 shot
  Formula Unknown
  There are things to be triggered even in the monster side. Ultra-low probability for the majority of the enemy is low Luck
  
  Complete avoidance additional long-range attack in the ※ 2013/9/12 update

  [/SPOILER]
  I guess whoever made that edit to our wiki is pretty sure you're supposed to multiply everything by 0 after the calculations.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-07-14 21:03
  @Rydian
  That's a shame, all the good stuff always hidden away.
  
  @Sozen
  Thanks for the info. Google translate isn't the most readable of things, but am I right to assume that it confirms luck DOES have an effect in lucky finish and that its contribution is capped at 180 (like dex for production success and so on)?
  
  Edit: I think the person who made the edit saying luck has no bearing frequents these forums so maybe they can explain their reasoning. -stares at mr132
• Second wrote on 2015-07-14 21:23
  Can you list all the items in Lucas's secret shop, what days of the week each appears, and if possible the % chance it will appear?
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-07-14 21:43

  Quote from Rynn;1281788:

  Edit: I think the person who made the edit saying luck has no bearing frequents these forums so maybe they can explain their reasoning. -stares at mr132

  
  
  ... I feel a very uneasy vibe from this. Next time could you please phrase it in a less "blaming" kind of a way? :cold:
  
  I did not make the first edit (February 9th 2014 vs Februrary 19th 2014, it's only appropriate a similar page has similar details, yes?). I did question the person who made said edit and she referred to JP wiki. Then I asked the wiki admins and they accepted the reference.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-07-14 21:49
  I wasn't really blaming, more like nudging for information lol.
  
  Though I was only going on the lucky finish page edit.
  
  Edit: Either way a human translation would probably help clear misunderstandings.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-07-14 22:34

  Quote from Rynn;1281795:

  I wasn't really blaming, more like nudging for information lol.
  
  Though I was only going on the lucky finish page edit.
  
  Edit: Either way a human translation would probably help clear misunderstandings.

  
  
  Sorry I feel so intimidated at times.
  
  

  Oh, it's that guy. No wonder.

  
  
  

  Pretty much.
  Was going to comment on how wrong that info is and then i checked who posted it...

  
  
  ... When things like this ends up being the outcome (which is on the Lucky Finish talk page that mentions a Mabination thread). :sigh:
• Ami wrote on 2015-07-15 14:08

  Quote from Rynn;1281795:

  Edit: Either way a human translation would probably help clear misunderstandings.

  
  I was slightly uncertain on a few points, but this should be pretty accurate:
  
  [SPOILER="JP wiki text translation"]Affects probability of Critical rate, Lucky Finish, Lucky Bonus
  
  - Each 5 Luck, critical rate + 1.0%
  -- Critical rate calculation formula:
  -- Critical rate = (will - 10)/10 + (luck - 10)/5 + Weapon/Enchant adjustment
  - Each 1 Luck, Lucky Finish occurence rate multiplier increases by 0.005
  - The upper limit of this effect is at 180 luck (1.9x the amount at luck 0)
  Occurence probabilities at 10 luck: Lucky 1/66, Big lucky 1/200, Huge lucky 1/1000
  
  - Increased occurence of lucky bonus when gathering
  -- Lucky bonus, unlike Lucky finish, never occurs at 0 luck
  -- Tentative calculation: Lucky = 1/(2000/luck) Huge = 1/(50000/luck)
  -- Still has an effect above 180. No upper limit?
  - At a low probability, avoids ranged attacks
  
  -- Effectiveness is extremely hard to ascertain, however via pvp it has been confirmed that only one shot of elf ranged attack or dual gun shots will be avoided.
  -- Calculation formula is unknown.
  -- This was applied to monsters too. As the majority of enemies have low luck, the chance of it triggering is extremely improbable.
  
  -- Ranged attack evasion added in 12th september 2013 update[/SPOILER]
  
  In short, JP wiki states that luck affects both lucky finishes and gathers. NA wiki seems to have mixed that in with info from 'Japanese dataminers who wish to remain anonymous', but with the dollbag data mentioned in a previous post I'd rather believe the Japanese wiki's claim.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-07-15 14:29
  Thanks! that's very helpful.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-07-15 22:20
  The JP wiki has info from the JP G13 server leak (which was a few years ago) and some of that info was actually copied onto the NA wiki using the JP wiki as a source, with the NA wiki not realizing that some of it came from the server leak. I've noticed when using the NA wiki for making sure the leak data was what I thought it was (item lists and junk to make sure they're what we get in NA) that a lot of the data is formatted specifically as in the server leak, instead of being alphabetical or whatever would have made more sense for that sort of list.
  
  Anyways, where data miners supposedly got that info, Idunno'. I've tried searching for info on lucky finishes and references to the luck stat in both the leaked scripts/XMLs and the NA client's functions and can't seem to find what would even hold that info other than general drop and skill functions which I'm too inexperienced to read.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-07-15 23:40
  Could you look into monster skills?
  
  Like you know, scaling per rank (if there is one), official icons, etc.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-07-16 00:19

  Quote from ironwoman;1281877:

  Could you look into monster skills?
  
  Like you know, scaling per rank (if there is one), official icons, etc.

  I can add the skills to my character in Aura and see what the icons and client-side display stuff it pulls up are, and as far as rank data that can be pulled out of the XMLs easily enough.
  
  However, as far as which skills to look into... the game actually has data for about 17 Metric Craploadsâ„¢ of skills (~600 including revisions as of this post), including a number of totally unused ones like Fury of Bard and oh-god-you-mean-that's-actually-a-skill ones like Continent Warp, in addition to lots of skills intended for monsters not having proper names.
  
  I can definitely spend some time adding and checking out various skills, but as usual there's a ton of crap and I can't go over all of it at once, so if you have some skills that you want to make sure I don't pass over, list them and I'll see if I can't find them and pull up whatever.