Things to know about Alban Training Center

• callback wrote on 2015-08-30 03:52
  So the 150% stones don't stack with normal 8x...
  
  Which means that either events or potions are overwriting it? Not sure which.
• Ami wrote on 2015-08-31 11:14

  Quote from callback;1285379:

  So the 150% stones don't stack with normal 8x...
  
  Which means that either events or potions are overwriting it? Not sure which.

  
  I've stacked talent + potion + 150% for 6x fighter before, so it looks like potions work fine with 150%.
  
  With which skill and talent did you observe this, though? I was caught off guard by chorus not working with music talent + badge +150% (3x rather than 4.5x), but since march song received 4.5x that implies chorus doesn't count under the music talent for alban purposes.
• callback wrote on 2015-08-31 14:08

  Quote from Ami;1285484:

  I've stacked talent + potion + 150% for 6x fighter before, so it looks like potions work fine with 150%.
  
  With which skill and talent did you observe this, though? I was caught off guard by chorus not working with music talent + badge +150% (3x rather than 4.5x), but since march song received 4.5x that implies chorus doesn't count under the music talent for alban purposes.

  
  
  Transmutation. Tested mostly on hydra, but I checked alchemy mastery and it also didn't get more than 8x. The difficulty was too low to test golem or rain based on CP.
  
  
  The stones change the COUNTS, right? talent bonus becomes 3x counts per use? You mention badge but badge is a reforge type bonus. Either way I saw no increase in points earned either, tho it wouldn't matter.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-08-31 15:11
  Stones don't change the counts nor do they change the bonus in the skill window. You have to look at exp amount in system messages, so likely it worked and you didn't notice.
  
  Also, if you're trying for master title then neither badge/reforge/stone would have done anything because master is based on counts and those are only affected by event/talent/potion.
• Kenero wrote on 2015-08-31 15:28
  You can pretty much skip rooms in certain "fields" allowing you to advance without even the need to fight monsters. You won't get the monster experience, but those just attempting it for heroic is pretty valuable.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-08-31 15:28
  The annoying thing is how its applied. Its part of a bonus that exists in only one other instance.
  You have your normal +training count multipliers. These are your events, talents, etc. Food Truck's bonus is considered here instead of multiplying the counts themselves, as the Tuan's spirit does. This means that the master chef badge/cooking exp reforge isn't rendered completely obsolete.
  Then, you have your reforge. Badges and EXP reforges, and the 1.3x from RPS for life skills. These are pretty straightforward, and the highest applies, No stacking. They directly affect the points and are not retroactive.
  Finally, you have the psuedoreforge. A complete additional bonus that doesn't show on any scale. These are the alban stones and the Tuan's Spirit. The latter fully doubles skill training in an 8m range for any in party/ownership. Then the former is a universal within the Training Center. I have little to no idea if they stack at the moment, and I am FAIRLY certain that reforge+psuedo stack. The odd thing is that it shows the bonus points in the update/system and skill window, but not in the training point value as the reforge does.
  
  When a few friends were training we came up fully correct with how much each training count was giving, I was having errors due to stupidity, but I should be able to make/break this in two days if nobody else does.
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-09-01 00:46

  Quote from Esileruf;1285508:

  blah

  
  
  You are forgetting double skill training potions.
  
  Talents are stackable with Events and skill training potions.
  
  2 x 2 x 2 = 8
  
  With Alban's release, I can potentially see 16 times training, if it stacks with all the multipliers, making a single training 16 times more efficient (Due to the 2x nature of Alban's training system).
• callback wrote on 2015-09-01 14:40

  Quote from Rynn;1285504:

  Stones don't change the counts nor do they change the bonus in the skill window. You have to look at exp amount in system messages, so likely it worked and you didn't notice.
  
  Also, if you're trying for master title then neither badge/reforge/stone would have done anything because master is based on counts and those are only affected by event/talent/potion.

  
  
  system message was 0.08 for a 0.01 exp requirement.
  
  

  other people blah blah

  
  
  I assumed because alban stone required the matching talent active and was 150% that it would just modify the talent 2x counts to 3x. If it's changing the value then that opens up a WHOLE ton of new abuse for easy ranks where reforges did not exist before.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-09-01 19:23

  Quote from ＣＩＲＮＯ;1285539:

  You are forgetting double skill training potions.
  
  Talents are stackable with Events and skill training potions.
  
  2 x 2 x 2 = 8
  
  With Alban's release, I can potentially see 16 times training, if it stacks with all the multipliers, making a single training 16 times more efficient (Due to the 2x nature of Alban's training system).

  
  
  

  Quote from Esileruf;1285508:

  You have your normal +training count multipliers. These are your events, talents, etc.
  

  
  
  Excuse me while I restrain myself from being a COMPLETE asshole.
  2(talent), x 2(2x Specific potion), x 2(2x Complete Potion), x2(2x Event)
  Leaves us with a 16x natural. Add in alban and its effectively 24x. For Bard skills, you can use Tuan and Starlet badge, 2x and 1.5x respectively and end up at 72x. For Skills with exp 10 but no badge, you can get 48x. With skills that have just a badge, it is 36x. And Just for the sake of uselessness, One can with a food truck and all bonuses, get a whopping 32 counts in(Because food truck doesn't double the exp gain, it doubles the counts done) with 96x as their amount of training. from that.
  
  Normally, with 8x (no complete training pot) and badge+alban, it is 18x. (8 x 1.5 = 12 x 1.5 = 18)
  
  I didn't bother even putting this up because I assume everybody has done 3rd grade mathematics.
• gundamweed wrote on 2015-09-07 04:29

  Quote from Kenero;1285507:

  You can pretty much skip rooms in certain "fields" allowing you to advance without even the need to fight monsters. You won't get the monster experience, but those just attempting it for heroic is pretty valuable.

  
  
  explain further
• Rynn wrote on 2015-09-07 04:34
  They probably mean those chest rooms with the $$$$ unless there's some way to cheese rooms we've all overlooked.
• Kenero wrote on 2015-09-07 05:22

  Quote from gundamweed;1285944:

  explain further

  
  
  I'll give you a hint.
  
  For fields where you have to travel in a line as oppose to fighting in a single area... there's a way around.
• gundamweed wrote on 2015-09-07 05:54

  Quote from Kenero;1285951:

  I'll give you a hint.
  
  For fields where you have to travel in a line as oppose to fighting in a single area... there's a way around.

  
  
  Why bother even mention something so vague if you're not even going to elaborate when asked? We get it, you want us to ask, now we're asking, now spill it.
• Jake wrote on 2015-09-07 06:06
  inb4 scythe
• Roflorz wrote on 2015-09-07 06:45

  Quote from Kenero;1285951:

  I'll give you a hint.
  
  For fields where you have to travel in a line as oppose to fighting in a single area... there's a way around.

  
  
  Sounds like Osna Sail.