[KR] Shop: Sealed Skill Training Seal (1+1) // 31st of August, 2015

• Homin wrote on 2015-09-03 10:09

  Quote from Ghostmonkey;1285684:

  Well they finally made this game a pay to win game officially. No time to grind because of your overpowered job? Spend in the cash shop and become overpowered overnight... = 3=

  
  
  Why did you called Mabinogi Pay to Win? Win against what? Friends? Rivals? If it was to win against Friends. Why? You and your friends suppose to co-operate in Mabinogi. It's not like if your friend was overpowered your reward from mission will be deducted. If it was Rivals... Why? IIRC, Mabinogi didn't have a system that required you to become better then everyone else to complete crucial quest or story. And most of competitive event, status wasn't matter anyway.
  
  And again, why did you called paid to get better is not right? They paid so that Nexon would have money to run the server for us who just Play for free. We should be thanks them.
• Intimacy wrote on 2015-09-03 10:40
  I'm going to have to side with kingofrunes here, i work a full time job, i get home with time for like 4-5 hours to myself on average, i'd rather throw money at my screen and be lazy and enjoy myself than come home and grind further.
  
  I value my dollar less than i do my time, i know not everyones lucky enough to think that way, or as financially stable but that's how it is for me. Spending 10 dollars to cut 35% of a skill out for something like, iunno blacksmith, tailor, anything on the ninja tab far outweighs the 10 hours grinding i'd do otherwise.
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-09-03 12:05

  Quote from Ghostmonkey;1285684:

  Well they finally made this game a pay to win game officially. No time to grind because of your overpowered job? Spend in the cash shop and become overpowered overnight... = 3=

  
  
  Well, too bad. Get a job, stop being a fucking hikkiNEET. Worse come to worse, go beg for money from your parents. Mabinogi is not a competition.
  
  Cry me a river.
  
  Just because I don't see the point in playing the game YOUR way, it does not entitles you to insult the way I choose to play the game.
  
  Suck it.
  
  

  Quote from Intimacy;1285706:

  I'm going to have to side with kingofrunes here, i work a full time job, i get home with time for like 4-5 hours to myself on average, i'd rather throw money at my screen and be lazy and enjoy myself than come home and grind further.
  
  I value my dollar less than i do my time, i know not everyones lucky enough to think that way, or as financially stable but that's how it is for me. Spending 10 dollars to cut 35% of a skill out for something like, iunno blacksmith, tailor, anything on the ninja tab far outweighs the 10 hours grinding i'd do otherwise.

  
  
  Hi, I brought it up first :D
  
  I have a 4K++ a month job. I am more than justified enough to throw money at the screen. As long as you are making enough, just go throw money into the fire or something. If it makes your life better, why not?
  
  I repeat, I do not play Mabinogi for the grind. If you feel that you are justified to spend 8 hours in a game grinding when you can be spending that same 8 hours in a part time job making 14 dollars an hour, then clearly you have your piorities set wrongly.
  
  Do the math.
  
  14 dollars = 14k NX.
  
  Seals est. Rounded up 5K NX.
  
  Every 5 hours you spend working is 70 dollars.
  
  70K NX can get you 28 seals
  
  If you spend the 8 hours working, you make 112 dollars
  
  112K NX is equal to 44 skill seals.
  
  Each seal gives you 35 points
  
  Which is the smarter way of spending time?
• Twin wrote on 2015-09-03 12:17

  Quote from ＣＩＲＮＯ;1285709:

  Well, too bad. Get a job, stop being a fucking hikkiNEET. Worse come to worse, go beg for money from your parents. Mabinogi is not a competition.
  
  Cry me a river.
  
  Just because I don't see the point in playing the game YOUR way, it does not entitles you to insult the way I choose to play the game.
  
  Suck it.
  
  
  
  Hi, I brought it up first :D
  
  I have a 4K++ a month job. I am more than justified enough to throw money at the screen. As long as you are making enough, just go throw money into the fire or something. If it makes your life better, why not?
  
  I repeat, I do not play Mabinogi for the grind. If you feel that you are justified to spend 8 hours in a game grinding when you can be spending that same 8 hours in a part time job making 14 dollars an hour, then clearly you have your piorities set wrongly.
  
  Do the math.
  
  14 dollars = 14k NX.
  
  Seals est. Rounded up 5K NX.
  
  Every 5 hours you spend working is 70 dollars.
  
  70K NX can get you 28 seals
  
  If you spend the 8 hours working, you make 112 dollars
  
  112K NX is equal to 44 skill seals.
  
  Each seal gives you 35 points
  
  Which is the smarter way of spending time?

  
  
  I believe the smart thing to do is question why its so grindy in the first place. Ninja for example being unreasonably grindy o3o [S]cough did i mention ninja is grindy?[/S]
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-09-03 12:20

  Quote from Twin;1285710:

  I believe the smart thing to do is question why its so grindy in the first place. Ninja for example being unreasonably grindy o3o [S]cough did i mention ninja is grindy?[/S]

  
  
  Yes, but it's not going to make it less grindy complaining to Nexon. Time and time again they have ignored our suggestions and refuse to do anything about these issues so at this point I see no hope in that regard.
  
  Easier to just throw money at it.
• Qnjo wrote on 2015-09-03 12:28
  I have a question to you guys. If money was not an issue and there was a cash shop item that caps EVERYTHING (including your stats), would you buy it? I mean, that pretty much amounts to finishing the game...
• Twin wrote on 2015-09-03 12:29

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1285711:

  Yes, but it's not going to make it less grindy complaining to Nexon. Time and time again they have ignored our suggestions and refuse to do anything about these issues so at this point I see no hope in that regard.
  
  Easier to just throw money at it.

  
  
  Because Mabi players barely come together and say'' wait, why isn't this like that'' So Nexon would normally take it apon themselves to roll with it.KR Nexon only really reacts when there is a large level of feedback really
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-09-03 12:36

  Quote from Qnjo;1285712:

  I have a question to you guys. If money was not an issue and there was a cash shop item that caps EVERYTHING (including your stats), would you buy it? I mean, that pretty much amounts to finishing the game...

  
  
  That's a tricky question. At this point in time I've gotten Master all but 2 talents (which are Wise atm). After that, it would be a real grind to "finish" the game by hitting all the more annoying skills that I haven't r1'd. Of course once I did cap everything that would be it for me and Mabinogi as from there, only boredom awaits.
  
  So I guess the answer to that would be no. There are some skills I'd like to rank on my own, however there are skills that I can't stand ranking whatsoever.
  
  Metallurgy, Smokescreen, Sakuya Abyss are the top 3 on my list that I would use seals on without a doubt. Other skills are a lot more questionable on if I would use it on them or not.
  
  Also if such an item existed, it would need to be extremely costly. Like 300k nx +
  
  Also keep in mind I've been grinding away at this game for over 7 years. Next year will be my 8th year. I think with all that time, effort, and grinding. I should be able to toss some money to cheap shot at least 10 super grindy skills.
• Homin wrote on 2015-09-03 13:46

  Quote from Qnjo;1285712:

  I have a question to you guys. If money was not an issue and there was a cash shop item that caps EVERYTHING (including your stats), would you buy it? I mean, that pretty much amounts to finishing the game...

  
  
  You'll have new issue with that item. How can you keep the paid player to still play the game? How can the game still be fun? What the purpose of the game? Is the item one time use? Is it like buff that you have to paid every month? Is having full skill/capped status really make player having fun?
  
  But if you ask me I would be answer 'NO'. Why? Because it would be just social network. Not a game anymore. If you can win everything in the game easily. What fun do you get? It would be like having capped status character in 'Dark Soul' and fight without ng+ element. Dark soul is fun because it's hard. When you fight something and win it feel like you've achieve something.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-09-04 00:22
  So many people bitching about how Mabinogi is turning into 'pay2win' game... It's getting ridiculous considering KR, JP, CN, and TW Mabinogi have been pulling this kind of stuff off for few years now.
  
  It's not even close to being pay2win yet... Once Mabinogi sell something like... 50 permanent base damage added to all your skills including magic at 25k NX a pop, you can start to call that pay2win.
  
  But I do hope NA Mabinogi does throw us some sales with skill seals few times a year, and it'd help Nexon earn some money too, and it'd help us finish up a certain skill we are having trouble with. It's a win-win situation and I don't see how skill seals are immoral.
  
  

  Quote from Qnjo;1285630:

  inb4 next update is "skill training renovation" and everything is much easier to train. Nexon loves doing that.

  
  
  That would actually make me happy because some skills have some absurd training requirements and I can't do much about it without having to rely on skill seals.
  
  

  Quote from Qnjo;1285712:

  I have a question to you guys. If money was not an issue and there was a cash shop item that caps EVERYTHING (including your stats), would you buy it? I mean, that pretty much amounts to finishing the game...

  
  
  If I can use that on a new character instead of my main... Then yes, I would, to be honest... But how is this question relevant? There's so MUCH difference in this and buying some skill seals to help rank your skill... It's like comparing an apple to five-hundred apples.
• Invisible wrote on 2015-09-04 01:49

  Quote from callback;1285633:

  The only thing we lack are good bladers, mostly because the people strong enough to BE our good bladers are uninterested in raids and don't feel like grinding the skills up to BECOME bladers. VHM scoreboard forever blank, with the occasional WM cheese run popping up. Hopefully g20's relaxed crusader training requirements will improve that.

  
  
  I want to rank crusader skills, but I can never find a party that'll help me skill train. I'm probably going to have to use skill seals because of that.
  
  I don't see a problem with having skill seals in the cash shop. We can already farm them with adventurer seals, so it's not like they're game breaking.
• Qnjo wrote on 2015-09-04 02:33

  Quote from Zeo;1285750:

  But how is this question relevant?

  
  It isn't. I just wanted to find out what would people do if there was no way of progressing any further.
• Homin wrote on 2015-09-04 03:14

  Quote from Qnjo;1285767:

  It isn't. I just wanted to find out what would people do if there was no way of progressing any further.

  
  
  It's not a question player would answer. It's a question to ask developer.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-09-04 04:56

  Quote from Qnjo;1285767:

  It isn't. I just wanted to find out what would people do if there was no way of progressing any further.

  
  
  Understandable. I wouldn't use that thing to max out my main but I'd use that for a new character instead so if in the emergency that my main was lost, I have a backup character.
  
  But like Kingofrunes states, I'd to train some skills on my own and there's like 15 skills I can't stand to train so I'd like to buy some of my way to help get those skills up.
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-09-04 06:18

  Quote from Qnjo;1285767:

  It isn't. I just wanted to find out what would people do if there was no way of progressing any further.

  
  
  Fashionogi.
  Merchantnogi.
  Facebooknogi.
  
  Youtube, my life as a pro.
  
  Etc.
  
  Stream shit, I dunno.