[KR] GM Beilet's Review on Milletian Q&A Session, "Secret, Talk" // 6th of November,

• Kapra wrote on 2015-11-12 00:07

  Quote from TheDarkPaladin;1289825:

  unfortunately it'd be hard to directly make elves stronger without annoying players that main other races, however, thats kinda how elf mains feel already! Make those humans and giants feel what the elves have felt for years!

  
  I don't really think Elves Vs Giants is that imbalanced, it's mainly Elves Vs Humans that has issues (and to a much lesser extent, Humans Vs Giants).
  
  Just improving skill multipliers for Elven Archery and Magic will only improve their Archery and Magic, give them no extra potential in future Int and Dex skillsets to come, an Int and Dex surplus would be preferable.
  
  
  If you really are concerned with pissing players off by buffing a race, how bout we just get rid of races? Affirmative action is only half a solution to a world distraught by discrimination, you need to set the past aside and just make things ideal for now, now is what matters.
• Syliara wrote on 2015-11-12 00:11

  Quote from TheDarkPaladin;1289827:

  not exactly what i meant, i meant that most skill revamp and new skills are better for humans and giants than elves, so we need one thats better for elves to balance it out some

  
  
  They could buff final shot and make it similar to how they buffed final hit. But then what would giants get? They have no "final" skill so theres nothing to buff for them.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-11-12 00:26

  Quote from Syliara;1289857:

  They could buff final shot and make it similar to how they buffed final hit. But then what would giants get? They have no "final" skill so theres nothing to buff for them.

  
  Buffing one skill won't make much of a difference if entire skillsets are better as a Human than an Elf, arguably even Archery is. Elves barely are better at Magic by 1 Magic Attack and slightly less MP used on Ice Spear (although more AP spent on the same skills as humans).
  
  What needs to be changed is something that'd effect multiple existing skills, like Int or Dex, not just skill multipliers or a handful of skill alterations.
• TheDarkPaladin wrote on 2015-11-12 01:31
  and thus the big question comes into play: how to balance things in a way that actually balances them
  
  personally id rather keep races, getting rid of them would ultimately be detrimental in what i can foresee, not to mention it'd cause more issues than it would fix
  
  archery is rather broken, and not in the same ways as LR and bash are, Magic is good, but elves have almost no advantage in it(and the same could be said for archery)
  
  perhaps the best way to balance things would actually be to nerf humans enough to make elves better than them at archery/magic or to add a new skill set that clearly elves are better at, just not too much better at
• Qnjo wrote on 2015-11-12 01:36

  Quote from Syliara;1289857:

  They could buff final shot and make it similar to how they buffed final hit. But then what would giants get? They have no "final" skill so theres nothing to buff for them.

  
  A similar quest chain (involving special versions of Karu/Maiz dungeons) is required for Wind Guard. I think that turning it into monster version of AHS is almost OP enough to match Final Hit.
• Syliara wrote on 2015-11-12 01:40

  Quote from Qnjo;1289866:

  A similar quest chain (involving special versions of Karu/Maiz dungeons) is required for Wind Guard. I think that turning it into monster version of AHS is almost OP enough to match Final Hit.

  
  
  Considering the current game's meta (and has been the meta for years) kill or be killed, buffing a skill to increase defensive capability rather than offensive capability is not as drastic an increase in the overall class as fh was for humans. It may make it really convenient for soloing, but in a party its not nearly as effective. The current game has it set up to where overwhelming offense>overwhelming defense.
• Eloner wrote on 2015-11-14 03:16
  Still nothign about healing
• KINGZZ wrote on 2015-11-22 19:57
  LF> egos that are better then special upgrade weapons. Seriously with all the time we put into egos it should be 3x stronger and better then special upgraded weapons imho. I can't wait to see the new ego revamp in place next year hopefully we get it early next year.
• TheDarkPaladin wrote on 2015-11-22 21:22
  yea ego revamp will hopefully make egos actually usefull
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-11-22 22:25

  Quote from TheDarkPaladin;1290569:

  yea ego revamp will hopefully make egos* actually usefull

  
  
  *Other than fire wands.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-11-23 03:30
  Only way I would care about spirit weapons: http://mabination.com/threads/53737-New-weapon-skills-items-and-tweaks-you-d-like-to-see!?p=1262914#post1262914
  
  That update won't make spirit weapons stronger, it'd make them more useful, which is what we need. (If anything, they can stand to be nerfed a bit then have this implemented to avoid power creep.)
• Daakun wrote on 2015-11-23 06:53
  I kinda want spirit weapons to stop having durability. Feeding them to maintain stats is annoying enough without needing to keep a spare around.
• Brandonsmall wrote on 2015-11-25 22:38

  Quote from Kapra;1289855:

  I don't really think Elves Vs Giants is that imbalanced, it's mainly Elves Vs Humans that has issues (and to a much lesser extent, Humans Vs Giants).

  I think giants got shafted more than elves in the combat renovation, because at least elves remain top archers while being bad at melee(as advertised), where as giants are underwhelming in melee compared to humans, when advertisement states giants sacrifice any range/massive amounts of dex for better melee. Problem for elves is melee being far superior to range currently, that needs to be fixed. Maybe also give them AR for whatever reason. People whine that elves have always been picked on, and that's just not true. Prior to FH/Bash update, elf mag, because of speed at which you can fire at / FS, was highest single target DPS in game(keeping in mind latency issues for firebolt on NA). Elves were definitely not victims prior to combat renovation. More single target DPS than humans, and pretty much equal to giants.
  
  People who go "elves have always been so bad!! so horrible compared to both giants and humans!!" just like to play the victim, and or were not playing the race to the strength it had. It's like if I played as a giant, and I didn't use smash. then I went on to complain about how horrible my race is because I don't get any range skills.
  
  tl;dr buff range tab or nerf combat tab. nerf human combat in comparison to giant combat. everything's fixed. Or just revert the combat renovation. Bash is overkill, and 400% final hit each hit is just dumb. Maybe do something about elves having less firebolt damage. Also remove the hide skill.
• Froon wrote on 2015-11-25 22:44

  Quote from Brandonsmall;1290765:

  I think giants got shafted more than elves in the combat renovation, because at least elves remain top archers while being bad at melee(as advertised), where as giants are underwhelming in melee compared to humans, when advertisement states giants sacrifice any range/massive amounts of dex for better melee. Problem for elves is melee being far superior to range currently, that needs to be fixed. Maybe also give them AR for whatever reason. People whine that elves have always been picked on, and that's just not true. Prior to FH/Bash update, elf mag, because of speed at which you can fire at / FS, was highest single target DPS in game(keeping in mind latency issues for firebolt on NA). Elves were definitely not victims prior to combat renovation. More single target DPS than humans, and pretty much equal to giants.
  
  People who go "elves have always been so bad!! so horrible compared to both giants and humans!!" just like to play the victim, and or were not playing the race to the strength it had. It's like if I played as a giant, and I didn't use smash. then I went on to complain about how horrible my race is because I don't get any range skills.
  
  tl;dr buff range tab or nerf combat tab. nerf human combat in comparison to giant combat. everything's fixed. Or just revert the combat renovation. Bash is overkill, and 400% final hit each hit is just dumb. Maybe do something about elves having less firebolt damage. Also remove the hide skill.

  wrong account. I'd say do something about ninja for elves too, because that skill set is actually really useful. Fighter doesn't matter.
  
  Braces for the "VALES SHIELD!!! MORE HP!! DEFENSIVE STATS THAT DON'T MATTER AT ALL WITH HOW THE GAME IS! WINDGUARD!"
• TheDarkPaladin wrote on 2015-11-25 22:54

  Quote from Brandonsmall;1290765:

  I think giants got shafted more than elves in the combat renovation, because at least elves remain top archers while being bad at melee(as advertised), where as giants are underwhelming in melee compared to humans, when advertisement states giants sacrifice any range/massive amounts of dex for better melee. Problem for elves is melee being far superior to range currently, that needs to be fixed. Maybe also give them AR for whatever reason. People whine that elves have always been picked on, and that's just not true. Prior to FH/Bash update, elf mag, because of speed at which you can fire at / FS, was highest single target DPS in game(keeping in mind latency issues for firebolt on NA). Elves were definitely not victims prior to combat renovation. More single target DPS than humans, and pretty much equal to giants.
  
  People who go "elves have always been so bad!! so horrible compared to both giants and humans!!" just like to play the victim, and or were not playing the race to the strength it had. It's like if I played as a giant, and I didn't use smash. then I went on to complain about how horrible my race is because I don't get any range skills.
  
  tl;dr buff range tab or nerf combat tab. nerf human combat in comparison to giant combat. everything's fixed. Or just revert the combat renovation. Bash is overkill, and 400% final hit each hit is just dumb. Maybe do something about elves having less firebolt damage. Also remove the hide skill.

  
  
  obviously you haven't played elf, at least not nearly enough
  when you main elf you can really feel the difference in treatment compared to humans and even giants, and this is not a good thing
  
  also, removing hide would only hurt elves, especially newer ones