[KR] GM Beilet's Review on Milletian Q&A Session, "Secret, Talk" // 6th of November,

• TheDarkPaladin wrote on 2015-12-04 00:15
  raising the stat cap might not be smart, even with our current cap players are complaining of a lack of anything challenging before they even hit the cap in their main stat, and for the same reason giving more of a stat to anyone would be relatively pointless (outside of str for elves, dex for giants, and maybe will for everyone, especially elves, since its the lowest of the stats generally used for dmg)
• Kapra wrote on 2015-12-04 03:49

  Quote from Froon;1291152:

  I don't mean Elves shouldn't complain, they definitely should LOL. I just mean at the VERY LEAST, they remained strongest in the area they were supposed to be, but it is now a very weak area. Also I'm not sure how much giving extra stats to races compared to others will change anything "end game", unless they raise the stat cap of 1500. I'm hoping they plan on doing something bigger.

  
  Evne that is highly subjective. Elves have only 14 more dex than humans and only 9 more int (that's only 1 magic attack). The only actual advantage Elves have in archery is lower Magnum shot cooldown, not stronger archery. Not saying Elves are weak or underpowered, I'm saying Humans shouldn't be so close behind to Elves, or being an Elf is meaningless if Elves' are far behind in everything else Humans are ahead in. Either Elves should be closer behind in things like Melee, Fighter, etc; or Humans should be much further behind in Magic and/or Archery. (I played an Elf for years and switched to a Human, I personally think Human archery is noticeably better. There is no unanimous agreement that one race is better at Archery than the other, THAT is the problem. It's too vague for that.)
  
  Giants are also flawed, but at least up until recently there has been at least a significant gap between Giants and Humans. Humans need to calm the fuck down, they're getting too strong.
  

  Quote from TheDarkPaladin;1291166:

  raising the stat cap might not be smart, even with our current cap players are complaining of a lack of anything challenging before they even hit the cap in their main stat, and for the same reason giving more of a stat to anyone would be relatively pointless (outside of str for elves, dex for giants, and maybe will for everyone, especially elves, since its the lowest of the stats generally used for dmg)

  
  I purpose actually lowering the stats skills give, but making them more widespread (an archer skill that gives str, a melee skill that gives int), and rebalance skills for races (like Magic Mastery might give Elves more MP than it does for humans). We don't need to raise the stat cap, and people are asking for nerfs anyways.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-12-04 11:00
  To be honest... I don't see the point of stat cap in first place for a long time now.
  
  Only thing I can see being a problem with no stat cap is that some people might would use a "mod" to make their stats go up to 9999... but otherwise, I would just remove the stat cap themselves from the game.
  
  I do have to agree that humans are getting way too powerful, especially with the last few updates they have been doing. Plus... they need to stop having a hard-on for making every talent base off Str plus another stat because that only hurt elves a lot. Knowing DevCat though... watch them do a next talent based off Strength and Luck which would only hurt the elves even further since they're behind on str.
  
  Giants does need some "buff" of some sort, yes... but if you ask me, elves need it the most at the moment.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-12-04 11:00
  why would you ask for nerfs when most of the players that are asking sunk way more than a year into their character, which is more than enough time to do all content in any MMO. Power creep exists, and it's probably never going to change.
  
  
  Racial balance is irrelevant when after hitting total level 10k, you can roflstomp everything with mechanic exploits and sheer strength.
  
  I mean we can all be special snowflakes in regards to racial abilities, but without content to challenge those racial abilities... Sounds like a waste of development time
• TheDarkPaladin wrote on 2015-12-04 14:06

  Quote from Zeo;1291181:

  To be honest... I don't see the point of stat cap in first place for a long time now.
  
  Only thing I can see being a problem with no stat cap is that some people might would use a "mod" to make their stats go up to 9999... but otherwise, I would just remove the stat cap themselves from the game.
  
  I do have to agree that humans are getting way too powerful, especially with the last few updates they have been doing. Plus... they need to stop having a hard-on for making every talent base off Str plus another stat because that only hurt elves a lot. Knowing DevCat though... watch them do a next talent based off Strength and Luck which would only hurt the elves even further since they're behind on str.
  
  Giants does need some "buff" of some sort, yes... but if you ask me, elves need it the most at the moment.

  
  a lack of a stat cap would just force them to have to keep making mobs stronger and stronger in order to even be able to stay alive longer than a few seconds against players, you'd end up with common mobs having like 50k hp, or maybe even more, and players would definitely complain about things being too easy then. honestly by the time you hit more than a few hundred in a single stat most things can already be done, 1k+ and not really anything is a challenge
  
  

  Quote from Aubog007;1291182:

  why would you ask for nerfs when most of the players that are asking sunk way more than a year into their character, which is more than enough time to do all content in any MMO. Power creep exists, and it's probably never going to change.
  
  
  Racial balance is irrelevant when after hitting total level 10k, you can roflstomp everything with mechanic exploits and sheer strength.
  
  I mean we can all be special snowflakes in regards to racial abilities, but without content to challenge those racial abilities... Sounds like a waste of development time

  
  
  perhaps because many, many players are tired of the lack of challenging content, especially with how quickly a char can grow these days
  honestly they need to expand on the racial differences, as they stand now elves are basically ignored, giants are falling behind, and humans are just flat out overpowering both of them
  you claim that doesn't matter since by 10k most mobs will die in 1-2 hits, but thats not the whole issue here
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-12-04 23:33

  Quote from Aubog007;1291182:

  
  Racial balance is irrelevant when after hitting total level 10k, you can roflstomp everything with mechanic exploits and sheer strength.

  
  
  Racial imbalance and skillset imbalance only really comes into play with bosses.
  Otherwise, it only really comes down to a matter of how fast you're cleaning clock.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-12-05 05:24

  Quote from Zeo;1291181:

  To be honest... I don't see the point of stat cap in first place for a long time now.

  
  Uncooked food effects are till a thing, and last I checked there is no hard cap on them. Instead, they opted to cap stats in general, in case other unforseeable sources arise.
  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Food_Effects_(Long_Term)
  There was quite a famous player in Ruairi who stopped rebirthing sometime around G9 cuz he managed to get semipermanent 999 dex from food.
  
  

  Quote from Zeo;1291181:

  I do have to agree that humans are getting way too powerful, especially with the last few updates they have been doing. Plus... they need to stop having a hard-on for making every talent base off Str plus another stat because that only hurt elves a lot. Knowing DevCat though... watch them do a next talent based off Strength and Luck which would only hurt the elves even further since they're behind on str.

  
  Also, Humans have more Luck than Elves and Giants, so everyone will be pissed.
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2015-12-05 06:30

  Quote from Kapra;1291207:

  Uncooked food effects are till a thing, and last I checked there is no hard cap on them. Instead, they opted to cap stats in general, in case other unforseeable sources arise.
  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Food_Effects_(Long_Term)
  There was quite a famous player in Ruairi who stopped rebirthing sometime around G9 cuz he managed to get semipermanent 999 dex from food.
  
  
  Also, Humans have more Luck than Elves and Giants, so everyone will be pissed.

  
  
  everyone except humans RIP
• bob wrote on 2015-12-05 07:06

  Quote from Rynn;1290783:

  Difference on enemies with actual prot is not -that- large.
  
  Endgame non-ele you're looking at like ~1400 raw dmg +10% bash with dual-CRK vs ~1200 raw dmg with -20 prot or something like that. Ele 6 vs ele 3 + 3 balances it out a little, but ele these days is for raccoons and barrier spikes yeah...
  

  
  
  Where do these calculations come from? Does it factor in equips? I always get the impression that giants have better max since they blade so well with pot? :/
• Tiwo wrote on 2015-12-05 08:53
  "The maximum stat point change is 100 points." 4th line on the page
• Zeo wrote on 2015-12-05 14:06

  Quote from Tiwo;1291213:

  "The maximum stat point change is 100 points." 4th line on the page

  
  
  Yup, I caught that too. They can't exactly abuse the semi-permanent bonus stats from food if the stats get uncapped.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-12-05 15:21

  Quote from bob;1291212:

  Where do these calculations come from? Does it factor in equips? I always get the impression that giants have better max since they blade so well with pot? :/

  
  
  Yes. Dual swords just have a LOT of raw damage and they get 84% critical dmg bonus (91% if CRK) instead of 62%, 2x the mastery bonus, etc. They are definitely crazy better than a giant with fanatic endgame, but the difference is just not as large as posted earlier in the thread (someone said 2x as much, and it's not really anywhere near that, more so against things that actually have protection).
  
  As for blade, giants can have exactly 52 more max damage than humans (so like 1200 ish with lance endgame vs 1150 ish for human). If I had access to cooking pot as a human, I'd be somewhere in the 1180s. Oblivion Swarming lv 18 max cooking pot and +2 max from a better Combat mastery skill makes up 52 max. Giants don't have play dead though, which is a bit of an inconvenience when quickly spamming VHM for gold/exp...
• bob wrote on 2015-12-05 17:32

  Quote from Rynn;1291218:

  Yes. Dual swords just have a LOT of raw damage and they get 84% critical dmg bonus (91% if CRK) instead of 62%, 2x the mastery bonus, etc. They are definitely crazy better than a giant with fanatic endgame, but the difference is just not as large as posted earlier in the thread (someone said 2x as much, and it's not really anywhere near that, more so against things that actually have protection).
  
  As for blade, giants can have exactly 52 more max damage than humans (so like 1200 ish with lance endgame vs 1150 ish for human). If I had access to cooking pot as a human, I'd be somewhere in the 1180s. Oblivion Swarming lv 18 max cooking pot and +2 max from a better Combat mastery skill makes up 52 max. Giants don't have play dead though, which is a bit of an inconvenience when quickly spamming VHM for gold/exp...

  
  what does play dead do? I've never ran a raid once using play dead
• Rynn wrote on 2015-12-05 18:34
  The most commonly used method to run VHM is to glitch girgashiy's AI upon entry.
  
  Play dead is used by most players before entering VHM, so they don't draw aggro while a "lure" glitches girgashiy's AI so that it swings its staff in place and flies quickly.
  
  Since giants have no play dead and rely on crisis escape, it can be inconvenient because VHM ends in 25~30s but crisis escape's cooldown is longer than that. Also, sometimes the aggro glitch may not work and the party may end up waiting for the giant's CD to be up before re-entry.
  
  tl;dr: please give our giants play dead.
• bob wrote on 2015-12-05 18:46

  Quote from Rynn;1291223:

  The most commonly used method to run VHM is to glitch girgashiy's AI upon entry.
  
  Play dead is used by most players before entering VHM, so they don't draw aggro while a "lure" glitches girgashiy's AI so that it swings its staff in place and flies quickly.
  
  Since giants have no play dead and rely on crisis escape, it can be inconvenient because VHM ends in 25~30s but crisis escape's cooldown is longer than that. Also, sometimes the aggro glitch may not work and the party may end up waiting for the giant's CD to be up before re-entry.
  
  tl;dr: please give our giants play dead.

  
  
  i see... ruairi parties are much too unorganized so we just stand near the tree while the lurer do their thing :skip: