This Game Needs Change

• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-11-08 23:55

  Quote from Syliara;1289642:

  Have you ever actually used magic besides random bolts or random int/adv magic? If you had then youd know how false this statement is. Inspiration is nowhere near an infinite mp hack and is nothing more than a random 50% boost to your mp whenever off cd. If you actually used magic you'd know that you would still be chugging mp pots even with inspiration if you used magic more than just a random snap casted fb or a random lightning rod/meteor strike.

  
  
  I've maged before Renovation, and I've never used mana potions. With only Meditation, Enduring Melody, and Fantastic Chorus, I still have a quarter to a half bar of MP by the time I finish a Hard Shadow Mission.
  
  Also, raising your wand for two seconds and getting a truckload of mana from nowhere seems like a big middle finger to Ladeca, the holy god of Erinn's mana. My point is, you're just getting MP back from simply pressing a single button, like how an MP hack operates, only that it can't be done in rapid succession.
  
  

  Quote from Hatsunechan;1289649:

  That is not how to properly balance a mmo. You dont ignore all your old content and refuse to fix them no matter what your players say.

  
  
  MapleStory 1 is a lot older than Mabinogi, yet their game has been completely revamped multiple times (e.g. Big Bang). Really goes to show how DevCAT is lazy.
• Syliara wrote on 2015-11-08 23:59

  Quote from Nekoarious;1289657:

  If that's the hardest dungeon in the game, should it even be soloable?

  
  
  It is realistically not soloable technically. If you want to spend hours on end and tons of pots and potentially tons of nao soul stones to solo it multiple times then go ahead but thats dumb to do. The ONLY reason people tend to solo it is once for the title that was put in the game specifically for achieving something ridiculous (Limit Breaker). People still wipe to alban heroic in a full party quite often and thats with good gear and decent stats. It's not ridiculously easy to solo, if anything its a super pain in the ass (took me 8 hours to solo) and I would not do it ever again unless i was sure I could cut that time down to like 2 hours somehow. Technically you can solo almost anything given enough nao's however it would be dumb at some point to continue throwing naos at ur screen when you could simply make a party and not waste any.
  
  @Darkboy
  
  I doubt that you did the entire SM with only magic before renovation unless you just sat there and waited for mana to replenish or it was a ridiculously easy HM SM. Try going through alban heroic without using a single mana potion while using magic as your primary skillset and then tell me how "broken inspiration is". On my solo I used inspiration off cooldown, while having a eweca and palala spell book on when i used firebolt and using demigod when I could and I still burned through easily 30 stacks of mp 100's. If you truly maged and I mean truly maged (which im almost certain you dont based on your responses) then your statement would sound stupid to you coming out of your own mouth.
  
  Also, hitting a button and getting a truckload of mana back? You realize that that is literally the exact same thing as hitting the mp potion button a couple times? This is super tame in comparison due to how long the cooldown on inspiration is and how many mana potions it is in comparison. If you truly want to be annoyed at something like that, you should get mad at RE, SE pots and potion lore because of how it encourages spamming potions.
• Nekoarious wrote on 2015-11-09 00:24
  Soloing a dragon would be satisfying I'll admit that. This is an mmo, so everything shouldn't be based on what you can solo. A mission allowing 8 people in should be hard as holy hell to solo at max difficulty, so not being able to do SS/the other harder missions solo at 2k isn't valid. Buy a few bone dragons and gg any agroo though. Naos/guardians are free now. Dying has no repercussions, short or long term.
  
  Royal knight armor is good period, along with all other heavy armor. You don't even need enchants for 99% of the content in game any more because you level up so fast. Gacha kills production skills, and releases stuff better than the majority of equipment you could get yourself. Basic Avenger armors(an older example), and other crap that render enchant hunting useless. Though I haven't seen the gacha in ages so I don't know how valid this still is.
  
  Rainbows are great, there are better weapons sure. 150+ attack beatsicks that buff up your base damage, and render the majority of the melee equipment in the game useless is still an issue though. CRK is better yes, especially enchanted. The seals are bullshit because you can bypass little snags in skills. The last 10% in some life skill ranks are an example. You can also shit all over the shock pages with them, though I haven't personally tried this to confirm. Sure you can get the Ice spear pages through dungeons, and it may be faster, but the seal method shouldn't even be an option in the first place. You can obtain all this crap from dailies. It makes everything outside of that even more obsolete. Sure I COULD go run fiohd or rundal, but why? There is almost no possible reason why I would want to do that. It's not just those, it's a giant chunk of the current game. SO many things serve a purpose for a quest or two, then you will never have any reason to go there again. It's like almost everything is Iria G11. Nobody goes there to do anything unless it's part of Gwhateverinthefuck, and serves no real purpose because there is some broken way to do it better and faster.
  
  My point is, shit is majorly out of balance. Every time things take a step forward, we take two steps back. They do a bunch of cool shit to make exploration and Iria dungeon better, Arc Lich. Everything in game too easy, release Alban and ignore everything else. Combat skills out of wack? Over power final hit and release broken skills. Magic sucks? Low cooldown burst skill Lightning rod. Alchemy suck? Hydra and play dead or raincast, then your god. The last good skill decision they made was nerfing golem. It's like the developers haven't played the game.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-11-09 00:57

  Quote from Nekoarious;1289661:

  Soloing a dragon would be satisfying I'll admit that. This is an mmo, so everything shouldn't be based on what you can solo. A mission allowing 8 people in should be hard as holy hell to solo at max difficulty, so not being able to do SS/the other harder missions solo at 2k isn't valid. Buy a few bone dragons and gg any agroo though. Naos/guardians are free now. Dying has no repercussions, short or long term.
  
  Royal knight armor is good period, along with all other heavy armor. You don't even need enchants for 99% of the content in game any more because you level up so fast. Gacha kills production skills, and releases stuff better than the majority of equipment you could get yourself. Basic Avenger armors(an older example), and other crap that render enchant hunting useless. Though I haven't seen the gacha in ages so I don't know how valid this still is.
  
  Rainbows are great, there are better weapons sure. 150+ attack beatsicks that buff up your base damage, and render the majority of the melee equipment in the game useless is still an issue though. CRK is better yes, especially enchanted. The seals are bullshit because you can bypass little snags in skills. The last 10% in some life skill ranks are an example. You can also shit all over the shock pages with them, though I haven't personally tried this to confirm. Sure you can get the Ice spear pages through dungeons, and it may be faster, but the seal method shouldn't even be an option in the first place. You can obtain all this crap from dailies. It makes everything outside of that even more obsolete. Sure I COULD go run fiohd or rundal, but why? There is almost no possible reason why I would want to do that. It's not just those, it's a giant chunk of the current game. SO many things serve a purpose for a quest or two, then you will never have any reason to go there again. It's like almost everything is Iria G11. Nobody goes there to do anything unless it's part of Gwhateverinthefuck, and serves no real purpose because there is some broken way to do it better and faster.
  
  My point is, shit is majorly out of balance. Every time things take a step forward, we take two steps back. They do a bunch of cool shit to make exploration and Iria dungeon better, Arc Lich. Everything in game too easy, release Alban and ignore everything else. Combat skills out of wack? Over power final hit and release broken skills. Magic sucks? Low cooldown burst skill Lightning rod. Alchemy suck? Hydra and play dead or raincast, then your god. The last good skill decision they made was nerfing golem. It's like the developers haven't played the game.

  
  
  But you did say "But what is there you can't do at around 2k or even 1k if your ap fed?" while making an exception of Alban, Abyss, Peaca int. The other elite missions definitely fall under your category, so yes, it is valid. You also can't just say spam Bone Dragons, because not everyone will have them, and quite many are actually reluctant to have multiple Bone Dragons, nor can you expect lower tier players to have multiple of them. Nao is free is invaild, as only the event ones are free and they're not infinite. As for guardian stones, yes you can get them with seals, but I also assume you have better uses for your seals.
  
  If you don't need enchant like you said, then again, try soloing the contents I mentioned with no enchant at 2k level. Don't need it, right? So no, it's not "Royal Knight Armor is good period". To complete higher level contents in this game, you do need enchants, and if you want an efficient runs in elite missions, enchants are very highly suggested.
  
  For "Gacha kills production skills", it depends on Gacha, but you're not gonna get Bhafel Combo just out of Gacha, nor would you be getting the dragon armors, as well as the shurikens. Oh, and also, guns. Cross empire guns don't count because they're mid roll dowras. Basic Avenger is an outdated enchant combo to use as we all know the effectiveness of blood master title, and enchant hunting is not useless, when you can't get enchants like champion, long-lasting, steel needle, solo, from Gacha.
  
  Rainbow is still shit because with enough damage, someone in nation created a chart, and I remember it saying that even R6 battle swords will outperform beams. Also, 490 seals just to get rF shock is ridiculous (yes, you can rank shock from novice to F with seals, but definitely not worth). I would rather just get a RKA and sell it to buy the pages and still have money left over. Why would you run Fiodh or Rundal? Because you can get materials for weapons you might be looking for like radiant string for CRC, and enchants for your CRK (Nightmare and Black Fog). I agree with the fact that many places are really purpose for one or two items. So what do you propose then, to make them more relevant, at least to your standard? This game, when it was first created, was designed, as time went on, to have these elevating contents of each difficulty. The older contents are merely lower tier contents right now, where you won't be getting much, because well, it's "easy" content.
  
  In general, the game still does have levels of varying difficulties that players of different experience/stats can interact with. Think elite missions are too easy? You have an option of soloing them, or go do Alban, abyss, lord. My only problem with the high tier contents is that I think there needs to be more variety. There is only three lord missions, and while I praise what they tried to do with convoy or Belvast rescue, would be nice to have more interactive higher level contents like the two mentioned. I'm personally a fan of Alban due to the rewards and the customization of difficulties available. As for lower tier contents, I'd think that offering lower tier enchants (like 6-8 max damage enchants that are low risk) would do a decent job for running as you can run those missions to get started on your gear making and be more efficient in battles while not having to worry about using high risk enchants yet.
• Chihaya wrote on 2015-11-09 00:57

  Quote from ironwoman;1289656:

  Actually, few SMs, dungeons, and life skills have proven to be useful. Need to enchant Chord? Go run SS elite or Red Dragon HM and get Rhythm or Sweet. Need Nightmare or Black Fog? Go spam Barri adv or Fiodh adv. Need to make some spare money on the side? Get R1 Blacksmithing and mass produce shurikens, or get a Druid Robe pattern from TMs and mass produce those too to sell to robe hoarders. Sadly, Handicraft still needs work as its only purpose right now is dex filler and making dragon bones.
  
  As for Alban, if you're saying the stats are the only thing, that's a huge understatement. For one thing, there is the insta aggro. You can also adjust the difficulty of your run, which is a new concept in Mabinogi since only way you could change was by having levels or elite passes. The golem's seldomly unpredictable behavior makes the runs elongated sometimes as well.

  
  
  To be fair, I'm just going to state how most of your miscellaneous enchants or equipment are easily bypassed with alternates and heavily geared to those who wants to maximize their damage outputs/efficiency. As surprising as it is, I'm doing just fine with Shadow Hunter Spike Beholder Swords achieved from a gacha a while ago and come close to par with FH/Bash damage outputs as those using CRKs. Considering how the former cost me 200k while the latter is easily 12m per sword plus more for enchant protections and the enchants, telling anyone to "just get a CRK" is not something you want to say bluntly.
  
  In addition, rather than pouring money down the drain achieving r1 blacksmithing just so they can make some shurikens, there are life-skill services all over the servers which not only eliminates that need, but in reality, Dragon Raids are easier with the right group of people (28k per dragon * 7 channels * 4 dragons [PD/DD]) which totals to over 3-quarters of a million in pure gold each day. All you need to do is use bash with NPC daggers. High-end Anju shurikens go for roughly 300k on my server, and tell me that's "good profit".
  
  Though I'll have to also point out that Conflict is still a good way to earn gold.... except that's the only good thing about it. No materials or rare items from it.
  
  Alban's instant aggro is easily remedied by a fast mount and Crisis Escape. You make it sound if instant multiaggro is a dangerous thing, but with the plethora of skills and AoE pets we've received, it's become a nuisance than a threat. I would have agreed with your concept of Alban being "challenging" if we didn't have said skills like Crisis. As you know, it's theoretically possible for a low-leveled elf to solo Alban Heroic with Magnum Shot spam and Urgent Shot with a bit of help from pets. Although he may have some challenges at the boss, this makes Alban Heroic "not end-game content". You might remember how a while back, people were Gods for being able to solo Rabbie Normal while others were dying on the first floor. Now, I can solo the dungeon with a fresh level 1 character with an NPC claymore. (tl;dr, Power Creeping is a thing, but it's not the universal explanation)
  
  On the other hand, if the developers can only think of "instant multiaggro + super high HP/Defense/Attack" instead of a more complex AI as "Challenging", then I think I may have room for criticism. Some people actually fought Glas pre-G1-nerf as total level under 100 with only a claymore in hand.
  
  Lastly, I'm semi-proud to state that I don't match your description of a "high-leveled player with end-game equipment". The best I do is r1 reforges that aren't even good, and even then I do well against Raid/Elites/Other-supposedly-difficult monsters. If at all, I've defeated many of the players in my server in that Tail Chase event, which makes some suggestions about their level of expertise on beginner combat in this game and how they can't "win" unless they have their "P2W" gear.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1289658:

  
  MapleStory 1 is a lot older than Mabinogi, yet their game has been completely revamped multiple times (e.g. Big Bang). Really goes to show how DevCAT is lazy.

  
  
  The moment you implied that Big Bang for Maplestory was a "decent revamp", I lost faith in your words.
  
  Big Bang started the downfall of Maplestory with its P2W features (as reforges did with Mabinogi) and classes that were completely unbalanced. Granted, I'll give the fact that Wizet made attempts to "rebalance" said classes, but that still doesn't make them any better than DevCat and their worthlessness.
  
  If you want a comparison, you just said "Reforge and Dual Skills were a good addition to Mabinogi" to the Old-School players who were used to The Combat Triangle, Ranged Attack, and pre-revamp magic. That's a bitch slap to us.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-11-09 01:13

  Quote from Chihaya;1289665:

  To be fair, I'm just going to state how most of your miscellaneous enchants or equipment are easily bypassed with alternates and heavily geared to those who wants to maximize their damage outputs/efficiency. As surprising as it is, I'm doing just fine with Shadow Hunter Spike Beholder Swords achieved from a gacha a while ago and come close to par with FH/Bash damage outputs as those using CRKs. Considering how the former cost me 200k while the latter is easily 12m per sword, telling anyone to "just get a CRK" is not something you want to say bluntly.
  
  In addition, rather than pouring money down the drain achieving r1 blacksmithing just so they can make some shurikens, there are life-skill services all over the servers which not only eliminates that need, but in reality, Dragon Raids are easier with the right group of people (28k per dragon * 7 channels * 4 dragons [PD/DD]) which totals to over 3-quarters of a million in pure gold each day. All you need to do is use bash with NPC daggers. Anju shurikens go for roughly 300k on my server, and tell me that's "good profit".
  
  Though I'll have to also point out that Conflict is still a good way to earn gold.... except that's the only good thing about it. No materials or rare items from it.
  
  Alban's instant aggro is easily remedied by a fast mount and Crisis Escape. You make it sound if instant multiaggro is a dangerous thing, but with the plethora of skills and AoE pets we've received, it's become a nuisance than a threat. I would have agreed with your concept of Alban being "challenging" if we didn't have said skills like Crisis.
  
  On the other hand, if the developers can only think of "instant multiaggro + super high HP/Defense/Attack" instead of a more complex AI as "Challenging", then I think I may have room for criticism. Some people actually fought Glas pre-G1-nerf as total level under 100 with only a claymore in hand.

  
  
  Doing fine is a term of subjectivity and same with "on par". I mean if you're satisfied with that, you do you, but I'm not going to recommend Shadow Hunter's Spike beholder's to those who do want maximum efficiency. That being said, those swords damages are definitely not on par with CRK, and currently with how much CRK outclasses other melee weapons except Demonic Swords and Demonic Lance because of Judgement Blade (and maybe high roll Bone Breaker with Siege 67th floor's). All the benefits you receive from the cost difference isn't something you can make up by other means, so I'm not just saying it bluntly, I do have good reasons for telling people to get CRKs. If you don't want to maximize your options, that's fine, but to say beholer's swords are good substitutes is a false statement.
  
  As for blacksmithing statement, remember that there are other goods you can make too, like CRK, Thames pieces, etc. And shuriken is actually a pretty good source of money when you can make multiple of them. 300k by itself isn't much but when you make 10, and then 20, and so on, it accumulates. Also, ranking the skill is essential for those who do want to max out on archery or magic, and the similar can be said about other life skills.
  
  As for Alban being challening, perhaps you can try getting the Limit Breaker title yourself? Tell me if the content is as easy as you said, even with crisis escape and pets. By the way, on third and fourth floors, there are things called mummies, which have advanced heavy standers. With group, yeah Alban isn't very challenging, but soloing heroic? That's another story. There is an option of rain cast, but once it becomes harder to one shot mobs, the skill isn't as safe. Plus the Gremlins have such a fast aggro that even with rain cast, they'll still be able to attack you one before being calmed down by the cloud.
• Kenero wrote on 2015-11-09 01:16
  There was once class lock in kr test where if you rebirth lets say in a mage class... You couldn't use other skillsets with the exception of few.
• Chihaya wrote on 2015-11-09 01:25

  Quote from ironwoman;1289666:

  Tell me if the content is as easy as you said, even with crisis escape and pets. By the way, on third and fourth floors, there are things called mummies, which have advanced heavy standers. With group, yeah Alban isn't very challenging, but soloing heroic? That's another story.

  
  
  After soloing Advanced at least (Can't find a Heroic Stone seller to save my life), I agree that the mummies are the hardest mob out there.
  
  But in reality, it's the same as fighting this guy solo, which I've done multiple times for GM Bard; hit and run (aka, Magnum Shot and Run). This is why it takes everyone so long to clear Heroic; there's just no fast way to clear it. AHS is only scary because you can't use normal tactics against it. Use a cheap one like this and it's cleared in several hours. I wouldn't say that this fact makes the achievement "difficult". Either you have trouble using said Hit-and-run Tactic, or you've been doing something else and thinking it was hard.
  
  And if I'm not high right now, I do believe Skill-Locking is still a thing.
  
  

  Quote from Kenero;1289667:

  There was once class lock in kr test where if you rebirth lets say in a mage class... You couldn't use other skillsets with the exception of few.

  
  
  Destinies? Fun stuff. I saw with my own eyes the gigantic protests and thought it was a shame for them to remove the "lock-in" features. At least if we had that, we'd have a need for parties.
• Nekoarious wrote on 2015-11-09 01:27

  Quote from ironwoman;1289664:

  But you did say "But what is there you can't do at around 2k or even 1k if your ap fed?" while making an exception of Alban, Abyss, Peaca int. The other elite missions definitely fall under your category, so yes, it is valid.
  
  If you don't need enchant like you said, then again, try soloing the contents I mentioned with no enchant at 2k level. Don't need it, right? So no, it's not "Royal Knight Armor is good period". To complete higher level contents in this game, you do need enchants, and if you want an efficient runs in elite missions, enchants are very highly suggested.
  
  For "Gacha kills production skills", it depends on Gacha, but you're not gonna get Bhafel Combo just out of Gacha, nor would you be getting the dragon armors, as well as the shurikens. Oh, and also, guns. Cross empire guns don't count because they're mid roll dowras. Basic Avenger is an outdated enchant combo to use as we all know the effectiveness of blood master title, and enchant hunting is not useless, when you can't get enchants like champion, long-lasting, steel needle, solo, from Gacha.
  
  Rainbow is still shit because with enough damage, someone in nation created a chart, and I remember it saying that even R6 battle swords will outperform beams. Also, 490 seals just to get rF shock is ridiculous (yes, you can rank shock from novice to F with seals, but definitely not worth). I would rather just get a RKA and sell it to buy the pages and still have money left over. Why would you run Fiodh or Rundal? Because you can get materials for weapons you might be looking for like radiant string for CRC, and enchants for your CRK (Nightmare and Black Fog). I agree with the fact that many places are really purpose for one or two items. So what do you propose then, to make them more relevant, at least to your standard? This game, when it was first created, was designed, as time went on, to have these elevating contents of each difficulty. The older contents are merely lower tier contents right now, where you won't be getting much, because well, it's "easy" content.
  
  In general, the game still does have levels of varying difficulties that players of different experience/stats can interact with. Think elite missions are too easy? You have an option of soloing them, or go do Alban, abyss, lord. My only problem with the high tier contents is that I think there needs to be more variety. There is only three lord missions, and while I praise what they tried to do with convoy or Belvast rescue, would be nice to have more interactive higher level contents like the two mentioned. I'm personally a fan of Alban due to the rewards and the customization of difficulties available. As for lower tier contents, I'd think that offering lower tier enchants (like 6-8 max damage enchants that are low risk) would do a decent job for running as you can run those missions to get started on your gear making and be more efficient in battles while not having to worry about using high risk enchants yet.

  
  
  If you spend your ap right you can do elites easy at like 1.5k. You only need the meat and potatoes of one skill tree to function in a party. If I could do elites at around 2k when they first came out, anybody around that level these days should have no issue at all as long as they have a party of equal level to back them up. The issue with the older content is that it's fallen to neglect. Many other mmos have balanced their older content. They don't have a problem changing the generation quests, or shadow mission rewards. Why can't they rework a few of the old ones. Give xp rewards at the end, or maybe ad some kind of gimmick. Make everything have one lv 3 passive so you have to tackle it from a different angle, then nerf hydra so you can't solo it by playing dead the whole damn time. I know they can't make things perfect, but they could sure as hell do better than they are doing. It's not like the basic difficulties pose a threat to anyone at any level now. Everything in the old dungeons is so squishy a first day noob could go in and start 1h the majority of mobs. HM and peaca excluded. They gave exploration rewards to iria dungeons, I thought that was great! Dragon and Arc Lich shits all over it though. Why run a dungeon when I can do an sm or sketch something with 10x the reward in 1/10 the time.
  
  "Think elite missions are too easy? You have an option of soloing them" I have. I've actually done the majority of them naked/barefist. SS, FA and Ghost are the exception, but I can solo all of them with my eyes closed. I shouldn't be able to solo an 8 man mission of it's highest difficulty with relative ease. I have been able to do that since the talent system came out. That's what started making everyone stupidly overpowered. Also the MA skill revamp that fucked everything melee stood for in the ass.
  
  "To complete higher level contents in this game, you do need enchants" Only the highest levels. If you don't need enchant's for 90% of the content, there is an issue.
  
  Just because the gacha doesn't give the highest tier equips doesn't mean it doesn't cause all sorts of issues with life skills. You level up Engineering just so you can make the 1 best item. Everything thing els eis shit because Gold Dowras or whatever is out these days. Happens with every craft skill.
  
  "My only problem with the high tier contents is that I think there needs to be more variety. There is only three lord missions, and while I praise what they tried to do with convoy or Belvast rescue, would be nice to have more interactive higher level contents like the two mentioned. I'm personally a fan of Alban due to the rewards and the customization of difficulties available" I agree completely, infact that is the problem. You only have like 5 things left to do after you attain a certain level. That line get's lower and lower it seems. You progress up the ladder so fast, most things may as well not exist. Alban I like, but it's 1 thing. It's like tv, 1000 channels and only 2 good things are on.
  
  The basic avenger was just an example, I haven't looked at gacha in a long time. Though it's still not bad by any means. You don't need good equips to wreck in this game. Sure R6 Bastards are a little better than beams, but beams are so easy to get, and will auto win half the shit in game. That's my point.
  
  My point is simply, shit is very clearly broken. Too many things need to be fixed.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-11-09 01:27

  Quote from Chihaya;1289665:

  To be fair, I'm just going to state how most of your miscellaneous enchants or equipment are easily bypassed with alternates and heavily geared to those who wants to maximize their damage outputs/efficiency. As surprising as it is, I'm doing just fine with Shadow Hunter Spike Beholder Swords achieved from a gacha a while ago and come close to par with FH/Bash damage outputs as those using CRKs. Considering how the former cost me 200k while the latter is easily 12m per sword plus more for enchant protections and the enchants, telling anyone to "just get a CRK" is not something you want to say bluntly.

  
  
  You must have massively better stats then the people you see using CRKS.
  
  

  In addition, rather than pouring money down the drain achieving r1 blacksmithing just so they can make some shurikens, there are life-skill services all over the servers which not only eliminates that need, but in reality, Dragon Raids are easier with the right group of people (28k per dragon * 7 channels * 4 dragons [PD/DD]) which totals to over 3-quarters of a million in pure gold each day. All you need to do is use bash with NPC daggers. High-end Anju shurikens go for roughly 300k on my server, and tell me that's "good profit".

  
  
  Or you could just do both and make even more money, and 300k is good profit when you maybe use 50k in mats per shuriken. Maybe.
  
  

  Though I'll have to also point out that Conflict is still a good way to earn gold.... except that's the only good thing about it. No materials or rare items from it.

  
  
  Elite passes are good and they sometimes drop the lower end celtic mats.
  
  

  Alban's instant aggro is easily remedied by a fast mount and Crisis Escape. You make it sound if instant multiaggro is a dangerous thing, but with the plethora of skills and AoE pets we've received, it's become a nuisance than a threat. I would have agreed with your concept of Alban being "challenging" if we didn't have said skills like Crisis. As you know, it's theoretically possible for a low-leveled elf to solo Alban Heroic with Magnum Shot spam and Urgent Shot with a bit of help from pets. Although he may have some challenges at the boss, this makes Alban Heroic "not end-game content". You might remember how a while back, people were Gods for being able to solo Rabbie Normal while others were dying on the first floor. Now, I can solo the dungeon with a fresh level 1 character with an NPC claymore. (tl;dr, Power Creeping is a thing, but it's not the universal explanation)

  
  
  This entire paragraph is ridiculous. You in the same breath say you can "theoretically solo Alban Heroic with Magnum Shot, Urgent Shot and pets" and at the same time point out "being able to solo Rabbie Normal with a level 1 character with a claymore" as an example of power creep, not realizing that it was *always* possible to solo Rabbie Normal with a claymore, from the time the game was opened.
  
  

  On the other hand, if the developers can only think of "instant multiaggro + super high HP/Defense/Attack" instead of a more complex AI as "Challenging", then I think I may have room for criticism. Some people actually fought Glas pre-G1-nerf as total level under 100 with only a claymore in hand.
  

  
  
  There's only so much the game's engine can allow AI wise, and tell me what games would you look to in terms of "challenging AI"?
  
  

  Lastly, I'm semi-proud to state that I don't match your description of a "high-leveled player with end-game equipment". The best I do is r1 reforges that aren't even good, and even then I do well against Raid/Elites/Other-supposedly-difficult monsters. If at all, I've defeated many of the players in my server in that Tail Chase event, which makes some suggestions about their level of expertise on beginner combat in this game and how they can't "win" unless they have their "P2W" gear.

  
  
  PVP is a completely different game than PVE.
  
  

  If you want a comparison, you just said "Reforge and Dual Skills were a good addition to Mabinogi" to the Old-School players who were used to The Combat Triangle, Ranged Attack, and pre-revamp magic. That's a bitch slap to us.
  

  
  
  Games change as they progress. I hate how self-proclaimed "oldschool hardcore gamers" think their voices are the only ones the developers should listen to. And honestly the classes are as balanced as they've EVER been; even fucking Fighter has its niches.
  
  I think the "old school" nostalgia people are insufferable because their nostalgia glasses prevent them from being objective about anything. Mabinogi is objectively better than it was in 2007, deal with it. And it's funny that the nostalgia glasses people throw the word "P2W" around because of reforges and ignore the 600 ton elephant in the room that was paid rebirth which actually locked players out from accessing content because they couldn't acquire the stats needed to run it (there's no content in the game that not having reforges locks you out of)
  
  There are flaws in the game that need to be addressed, yes, but those flaws need to be looked at in a balanced, reasonable way and not this juvenile "ITS NEW, THEY CHANGED SHIT, RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE" approach.
• Nekoarious wrote on 2015-11-09 01:45
  PVP I can't comment on. Was never into it.
  
  "Games change as they progress. I hate how self-proclaimed "oldschool hardcore gamers" think their voices are the only ones the developers should listen to. And honestly the classes are as balanced as they've EVER been; even fucking Fighter has its niches." Games change as they progress the same as things evolve to survive, keep in mind though people that have been around a long time know how things evolved. Combat was originally paper rock scissors. When they released new skills it was to fill in gaps between Melee/Magic/Ranged. Charge to counter AR and ranged stuff, mana shield to give extra use to mp, Crash shot for ranged aoe. Magic was really just a glass cannon nuke thing. Alchemy was.... alchemy lol. Either overpowered skills like golem or shitty shit like old sand burst. The issue is they kept on releasing new things after about G13-15 that broke the model without making a new one. Sure things are balanced... If you're idea of balance is that everything rapes everything no matter what you pick, then yes..... Old mabi wasn't super balanced. Ranged had major issues, you died very easy even with good armor, and the game could devolve into a wm frenzy *cough* peaca int *cough*. But Nothing was an auto win button, and there were no pets to save you. Unless you had that hax ai shit.
• Tropa wrote on 2015-11-09 01:49
  One thing I'd love to be changed is the AI system, the current aggro speed is pretty slow.
• Nekoarious wrote on 2015-11-09 01:51

  Quote from Tropa;1289673:

  One thing I'd love to be changed is the AI system, the current aggro speed is pretty slow.

  
  The ai has always needed some fixing. Either too slow, or abusive. Agroo two sulfer spiders then none attack you. Lot's of fixing there, but that's another issue entirely.
• Syliara wrote on 2015-11-09 02:33

  Quote from Chihaya;1289665:

  To be fair, I'm just going to state how most of your miscellaneous enchants or equipment are easily bypassed with alternates and heavily geared to those who wants to maximize their damage outputs/efficiency. As surprising as it is, I'm doing just fine with Shadow Hunter Spike Beholder Swords achieved from a gacha a while ago and come close to par with FH/Bash damage outputs as those using CRKs. Considering how the former cost me 200k while the latter is easily 12m per sword plus more for enchant protections and the enchants, telling anyone to "just get a CRK" is not something you want to say bluntly.
  
  In addition, rather than pouring money down the drain achieving r1 blacksmithing just so they can make some shurikens, there are life-skill services all over the servers which not only eliminates that need, but in reality, Dragon Raids are easier with the right group of people (28k per dragon * 7 channels * 4 dragons [PD/DD]) which totals to over 3-quarters of a million in pure gold each day. All you need to do is use bash with NPC daggers. High-end Anju shurikens go for roughly 300k on my server, and tell me that's "good profit".
  
  Though I'll have to also point out that Conflict is still a good way to earn gold.... except that's the only good thing about it. No materials or rare items from it.
  
  Alban's instant aggro is easily remedied by a fast mount and Crisis Escape. You make it sound if instant multiaggro is a dangerous thing, but with the plethora of skills and AoE pets we've received, it's become a nuisance than a threat. I would have agreed with your concept of Alban being "challenging" if we didn't have said skills like Crisis. As you know, it's theoretically possible for a low-leveled elf to solo Alban Heroic with Magnum Shot spam and Urgent Shot with a bit of help from pets. Although he may have some challenges at the boss, this makes Alban Heroic "not end-game content". You might remember how a while back, people were Gods for being able to solo Rabbie Normal while others were dying on the first floor. Now, I can solo the dungeon with a fresh level 1 character with an NPC claymore. (tl;dr, Power Creeping is a thing, but it's not the universal explanation)
  
  On the other hand, if the developers can only think of "instant multiaggro + super high HP/Defense/Attack" instead of a more complex AI as "Challenging", then I think I may have room for criticism. Some people actually fought Glas pre-G1-nerf as total level under 100 with only a claymore in hand.
  
  Lastly, I'm semi-proud to state that I don't match your description of a "high-leveled player with end-game equipment". The best I do is r1 reforges that aren't even good, and even then I do well against Raid/Elites/Other-supposedly-difficult monsters. If at all, I've defeated many of the players in my server in that Tail Chase event, which makes some suggestions about their level of expertise on beginner combat in this game and how they can't "win" unless they have their "P2W" gear.
  
  
  
  The moment you implied that Big Bang for Maplestory was a "decent revamp", I lost faith in your words.
  
  Big Bang started the downfall of Maplestory with its P2W features (as reforges did with Mabinogi) and classes that were completely unbalanced. Granted, I'll give the fact that Wizet made attempts to "rebalance" said classes, but that still doesn't make them any better than DevCat and their worthlessness.
  
  If you want a comparison, you just said "Reforge and Dual Skills were a good addition to Mabinogi" to the Old-School players who were used to The Combat Triangle, Ranged Attack, and pre-revamp magic. That's a bitch slap to us.

  
  
  I just want to point out how basically all of your examples you put in this post are ridiculous.
  
  First for your FH/bash comparison to CRK's I want to say either your math is horribly off or the person you are comparing them to is just ridiculously undergeared/statted. I'm using basically the pinacle of what you can accomplish damage wise with Beam swords as they are fully reforged and have shadow hunter spike on them. Now even with these my damage is horribly low in comparison to someone with comparable stats and gear while using CRK's. I can say with 100% certainty that your beholder swords will NEVER come close to comparing to good CRK's in the hands of someone with comparable stats.
  
  For your 2nd paragraph, you realize your not like restricted to 1 anju shuriken creation per day or something right? By that logic you can do BOTH and get much more profit. Not only that but to compare to your calculations for raids, you can just make 3 shurikens which is horribly easy to accomplish.
  
  Probably by far the most ridiculous part of your post is the alban paragraph. I feel like you have never set foot into or even seen footage of heroic alban and are making these assumptions based on a much lower difficulty. While the instant multi aggro is nothing more than a lazy quick fix to difficulty in mabinogi, it is by far not something that can be bypassed by crisis escape, rain, and aoe pets alone. Sure the running away and pulling one mob at a time while kiting method can be applied to a few rooms in alban, however if you come across a very restricted room (which YOU WILL) you wont be able to do this method and you will die after you get one hit off. I can't stress enough how bad of an example your low-leveled elf spamming magnum and urgent shot is when this is NOT going to work in alban. Sure maybe you can get past floor 1 MAYBE floor 2 with that method but once you hit floor 3 you will be in for a huge rude awakening when your spending 50 naos a room or more or you just simply die and give up on the first room first spawn. Let me just reiterate how annoying and ridiculous this whole paragraph is simply because of how oblivious you are being by stating these things and basically spitting on the people who have accomplished the Limit Breaker achievement by making these horribly baseless assumptions while not truly understanding how wrong you are. It takes alot of effort, time, and resources to do alban heroic solo and to make statements like this paragraph is basically spitting on the achievements of those that went through all that effort. Please if you want to use these examples, you first need to experience it for yourself because honestly I didnt think alban heroic was going to be that difficult to solo but after I hit floor 3 it hit my like a ton of bricks how much of a serious pain it was going to be.
  
  To be honest I dont know what to make of your last paragraph and I dont feel like responding to it.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-11-09 02:50

  Quote from Chihaya;1289665:

  The moment you implied that Big Bang for Maplestory was a "decent revamp", I lost faith in your words.
  
  Big Bang started the downfall of Maplestory with its P2W features (as reforges did with Mabinogi) and classes that were completely unbalanced. Granted, I'll give the fact that Wizet made attempts to "rebalance" said classes, but that still doesn't make them any better than DevCat and their worthlessness.
  
  If you want a comparison, you just said "Reforge and Dual Skills were a good addition to Mabinogi" to the Old-School players who were used to The Combat Triangle, Ranged Attack, and pre-revamp magic. That's a bitch slap to us.

  
  
  I wasn't referring to cubing and shit, I don't remember which update introduced them. I mean things like the terrain alterations introduced in Big Bang that made traveling around Victoria Island generally easier, and touch-ups to theme dungeons.
  
  While I won't deny Wizet's done some questionable things, at least they're looking back onto their old content. DevCAT hasn't even bothered to touch their outdated stuff; dungeons are still the same, shadow missions are still the same, the large unused terrain of Iria is still the same, etc. etc.