This Game Needs Change

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callback wrote on 2015-11-11 14:49

One option to allow for new low-level content and to keep it and existing content challenging would be to "sync" all low-level stuff by imposing stat caps (on players and equipment). The caps could be dynamic based on party size as well, with mellower caps if you decide to solo/duo. and harsher ones for a fuller party (peaca normal with 8 people capped at 200 allstat, anyone?)

Equipment sync would mostly be for raw damage and matk, but also limiting sp up rank and reforge levels. Everything to keep it capped to what the mission or dungeon expects. Hell, sync pets as well. An instance that disables on-summon effects helps to avoid a ton of cheese.

It also allows for much higher reward droprates since the effort required to earn them is real, and quick farming to flood the market wouldn't be a thing.
Intimacy wrote on 2015-11-11 14:58

Quote from callback;1289834:
One option to allow for new low-level content and to keep it and existing content challenging would be to "sync" all low-level stuff by imposing stat caps (on players and equipment). The caps could be dynamic based on party size as well, with mellower caps if you decide to solo/duo. and harsher ones for a fuller party (peaca normal with 8 people capped at 200 allstat, anyone?)

Equipment sync would mostly be for raw damage and matk, but also limiting sp up rank and reforge levels. Everything to keep it capped to what the mission or dungeon expects. Hell, sync pets as well. An instance that disables on-summon effects helps to avoid a ton of cheese.

It also allows for much higher reward droprates since the effort required to earn them is real, and quick farming to flood the market wouldn't be a thing.

As an option for fun, that'd be alright, but as a mandatory thing that would be forced just to keep stuff 'fun' That would be horrible, some rare dungeon items would go 100% extinct, looking at you soundbox.
bob wrote on 2015-11-11 16:20

knowing devcat, they'd probably do some cheese fix like hm dungeons and abyss for those that don't have it and then say 'hey look dungeons are relevant'

Items would probably have lower drop rate than a rosemary pattern. Top kek

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Johny wrote on 2015-11-16 23:48

Okay personal rant time concerning the recent progress of Mabinogi. WARNING: LONG.

[SPOILER="{Rant Start= For those who care to read}"]
From what I've read, Mabinogi does indeed have a lot of issues that have to be looked at by Devcat... However I'm afraid Devcat works solely for Nexon's benefit now, considering the trend I have been seeing; Concentrating less and less on actual meaningful game content and more on rapidly pouring out content that can make quick money. Don't get me wrong, I love Mabinogi. I played for 7 years more or less and don't regret a single day. However the Mabinogi we used to know and love has seized to exist. The whole atmosphere in Mabinogi is different and feels alien to me nowadays. It is this that has pushed me away from Mabinogi, and what is more scary is that I understand why. Nexon caters mostly to the players that pay for paid content now. It is them that are keeping this game from floundering. Sadly it is this that has taken priority and what matters the most, the GAME ITSELF is deteriorating rapidly. It is a game that has its content determined by profitability, not by the desires of its player-base.

Before you say "but most of the paid content is cosmetic" and what not let me say this; I understand that most of the paid content is in-fact cosmetic and for other decent stuff like mounts or pets/ partners. That is fine to me. One of the biggest features in Mabinogi is the ability to customize your character with many, MANY posibilities. That is fine. What I have grown to dislike is the increasingly pay-2-win nature of this game, and it doesn't stop at reforges either. Talent exp potions, gachapons that spit out game breaking things like skill seals and what not, pre-forged, pre-enchanted rare equipment, enchant-protection potions, repair-protection potions, and many other things I can't remember... All pay-2-win content that is very sorely balanced out with in-game content. I experienced it in Mabinogi and has become a pet-peeve of mine in MMO's or any other game for that matter. I am happy to pay for cosmetic things like customization, and other decent things like pets/ partners. What I refuse to acknowledge are those pay-2-win features many people are eager to defend and/or endorse for the sake of fixation on character progression or advancement of character strength or whatever reason you throw at me. Pay-2-win content is TOXIC to game development and the in-game community atmosphere. I have bore witness to the self-destructive nature of the in-game community increase more and more every year as people often argue about petty things like power creeps and in-game imbalances caused by pay-2-win content, often rifting the community and even causing people to quit the game as a result.

Sigh..Okay okay My point is Mabinogi is a game with a LOT of potential, and I do mean a LOT of potential despite its rather primitive engine. However the problem with Mabinogi is not the game itself but its publisher. As Kaeporo put it, Nexon lacks any vision outside of their wallets, and as a result has forced Devcat to produce as much purchasable content as possible ASAP. Devcat has no choice either but to follow that directive because well Nexon own's them for as long as they're under contract. On the other side Devcat has lost much of its vision as well due to losing its original team and consequently the original dream that was Mabinogi. So as I see it Mabinogi will not be changing much from its current formula and will continue to disappoint with its lackluster content upgrades and ever increasing pay-2-win content. That is unless there is a major change in the way Nexon does business but the odds of that happening are very small.[/SPOILER]

TL;DR Mabinogi is a shadow of its former self, I am bored as well as disappointed, yet oddly content with my experience with Mabinogi over the years and therefore I shall take my leave from the game until further notice. Sayonara Mabinogi! {/rant}
Zunori wrote on 2015-11-17 00:52

Quote from Johny;1290290:
Okay personal rant time concerning the recent progress of Mabinogi. WARNING: LONG.

[SPOILER="{Rant Start= For those who care to read}"]
From what I've read, Mabinogi does indeed have a lot of issues that have to be looked at by Devcat... However I'm afraid Devcat works solely for Nexon's benefit now, considering the trend I have been seeing; Concentrating less and less on actual meaningful game content and more on rapidly pouring out content that can make quick money. Don't get me wrong, I love Mabinogi. I played for 7 years more or less and don't regret a single day. However the Mabinogi we used to know and love has seized to exist. The whole atmosphere in Mabinogi is different and feels alien to me nowadays. It is this that has pushed me away from Mabinogi, and what is more scary is that I understand why. Nexon caters mostly to the players that pay for paid content now. It is them that are keeping this game from floundering. Sadly it is this that has taken priority and what matters the most, the GAME ITSELF is deteriorating rapidly. It is a game that has its content determined by profitability, not by the desires of its player-base.

Before you say "but most of the paid content is cosmetic" and what not let me say this; I understand that most of the paid content is in-fact cosmetic and for other decent stuff like mounts or pets/ partners. That is fine to me. One of the biggest features in Mabinogi is the ability to customize your character with many, MANY posibilities. That is fine. What I have grown to dislike is the increasingly pay-2-win nature of this game, and it doesn't stop at reforges either. Talent exp potions, gachapons that spit out game breaking things like skill seals and what not, pre-forged, pre-enchanted rare equipment, enchant-protection potions, repair-protection potions, and many other things I can't remember... All pay-2-win content that is very sorely balanced out with in-game content. I experienced it in Mabinogi and has become a pet-peeve of mine in MMO's or any other game for that matter. I am happy to pay for cosmetic things like customization, and other decent things like pets/ partners. What I refuse to acknowledge are those pay-2-win features many people are eager to defend and/or endorse for the sake of fixation on character progression or advancement of character strength or whatever reason you throw at me. Pay-2-win content is TOXIC to game development and the in-game community atmosphere. I have bore witness to the self-destructive nature of the in-game community increase more and more every year as people often argue about petty things like power creeps and in-game imbalances caused by pay-2-win content, often rifting the community and even causing people to quit the game as a result.

Sigh..Okay okay My point is Mabinogi is a game with a LOT of potential, and I do mean a LOT of potential despite its rather primitive engine. However the problem with Mabinogi is not the game itself but its publisher. As Kaeporo put it, Nexon lacks any vision outside of their wallets, and as a result has forced Devcat to produce as much purchasable content as possible ASAP. Devcat has no choice either but to follow that directive because well Nexon own's them for as long as they're under contract. On the other side Devcat has lost much of its vision as well due to losing its original team and consequently the original dream that was Mabinogi. So as I see it Mabinogi will not be changing much from its current formula and will continue to disappoint with its lackluster content upgrades and ever increasing pay-2-win content. That is unless there is a major change in the way Nexon does business but the odds of that happening are very small.[/SPOILER]

TL;DR Mabinogi is a shadow of its former self, I am bored as well as disappointed, yet oddly content with my experience with Mabinogi over the years and therefore I shall take my leave from the game until further notice. Sayonara Mabinogi! {/rant}

Exactly why I stopped playing. The devs didn't focus enough on improving the game and now it's this repetitive, stale grind.
Johny wrote on 2015-11-17 22:13

Quote from Twin;1289754:
Mabi can be repaired still lol but the issue is mainly wat Kaeporo said ; /snip: Devcat lack's vision and so does Nexon.

Other reason is controversy on HOW to exactly fix it.

The only real way Mabinogi would be fixed as a game is to;
1) Get a different publisher. Nexon is very clearly only milking Mabinogi and it's current player base and doing very little to attract new players to the game. So essentially they are milking the cow till it runs dry and dies. Or
1.5) No publisher at all because game publishers are becoming A- grade a**holes as of late...I'm sorry I'm just disliking the way many publishers are beginning to do business as of late and I have no respect for most of them.
2) Get a new development team, give them the source code, let them study it for a couple years, then let them fix it from the ground up. Or
2.5) Let them build a new, better engine and essentially make a new game, a true successor to Mabinogi...because lets face it Mabinogi is 10+ years old. Who would want to invest time fixing a 10+ year old game when they can start from scratch and make something better?
3) Try to contact the original developmental team of Mabinogi..or the ones who remain at least... and try to get insight of the original concept of Mabinogi and take it from there... Or just study the current game, whatever works.

So essentially what I'm trying to say is Mabinogi in its current state is unfixable. Mabinogi is simply too old. It would be better to start from scratch and make a new, better game. A sequel to Mabinogi? Maybe. It doesn't have to be one though. Just build a game with a similar basic concept to the original Mabinogi and add tweaks and different mechanics to set it apart should they choose not to make a sequel. If they do make a sequel, add tweaks and different mechanics to set it apart anyways because there is no point in re-inventing the wheel. It's better to take the wheel and apply new things to make something new out of it.

There I added my 50 cents that is relevant to the thread rather than just ranting about how Nexon has perverted Mabinogi into the unholy money making machine it is now.
EndlessDreams wrote on 2015-11-18 18:53

Quote from Johny;1290344:

So essentially what I'm trying to say is Mabinogi in its current state is unfixable. Mabinogi is simply too old. It would be better to start from scratch and make a new, better game. A sequel to Mabinogi? Maybe. It doesn't have to be one though. Just build a game with a similar basic concept to the original Mabinogi and add tweaks and different mechanics to set it apart should they choose not to make a sequel. If they do make a sequel, add tweaks and different mechanics to set it apart anyways because there is no point in re-inventing the wheel. It's better to take the wheel and apply new things to make something new out of it.

There I added my 50 cents that is relevant to the thread rather than just ranting about how Nexon has perverted Mabinogi into the unholy money making machine it is now.

They did try to make 2 sequels to Mabinogi. At first, Vindictus was supposed to be the sequel... then they change the theme and renamed it so it doesn't have much to Mabinogi. Then, there was Mabinogi 2: Arena, which they ditch last year and just focused on Maplestory 2.

Yes, the game is old, but that isn't the main problem. Guild War 2 is also old as well, but look at how it is doing. The problem with Mabinogi is that it is old AND unpopular.

Blaming game publishers is really unreasonable. Game publishers have to meet the demand of the players to keep in business. If you want to blame someone, you should blame the player-base.

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Quote from Johny;1290344:

So essentially what I'm trying to say is Mabinogi in its current state is unfixable. Mabinogi is simply too old. It would be better to start from scratch and make a new, better game. A sequel to Mabinogi? Maybe. It doesn't have to be one though. Just build a game with a similar basic concept to the original Mabinogi and add tweaks and different mechanics to set it apart should they choose not to make a sequel. If they do make a sequel, add tweaks and different mechanics to set it apart anyways because there is no point in re-inventing the wheel. It's better to take the wheel and apply new things to make something new out of it.

There I added my 50 cents that is relevant to the thread rather than just ranting about how Nexon has perverted Mabinogi into the unholy money making machine it is now.

They did try to make 2 sequels to Mabinogi. At first, Vindictus was supposed to be the sequel... then they change the theme and renamed it so it doesn't have much to Mabinogi. Then, there was Mabinogi 2: Arena, which they ditch last year and just focused on Maplestory 2.

Yes, the game is old, but that isn't the main problem. Guild War 2 is also old as well, but look at how it is doing. The problem with Mabinogi is that it is old AND unpopular.

Blaming game publishers is really unreasonable. Game publishers have to meet the demand of the players to keep in business. If you want to blame someone, you should blame the player-base.

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