This Game Needs Change

• TheDarkPaladin wrote on 2015-11-09 05:39
  Unfortunately there isn't much they CAN do, not with the engine and other stuff they have to work with
  
  Its less likely that they don't try to update it, but more likely that they don't know how to do so, as the original team that made the engine for the game, as well as the dungeons, isn't there anymore, so they're limited on what they can actually do
• AsterSelene wrote on 2015-11-09 06:15
  I like how I pop onto Mabination a few years after I first joined and find a thread dedicated to complaints about how the game is broken for the exact opposite reasons that the game was broken four-some years ago. Of course, in every MMO I've been in, I've always seen complaints that it's broken/doomed/the community is the worst/whatever.
  
  I'm not denying that there are still a lot of things it needs to be changed, but I would definitely disagree on the part about it becoming less newbie-friendly. The game is far more accessible and less pay-to-win than it was before, especially since they actually bother to teach you some basic strategy with skills now and give you two free pets off the bat, and the entire two-page introductory guide I wrote for a new player on things they need to avoid or watch out for because the game might screw you over if you're not careful is now entirely obsolete. The game might be a lot easier now with skill training and nerfs and all but it's certainly a hell of a lot more pleasant to train and hang out than it used to be, especially since they cut down on stuff that you have to do over and over again. And half the threads on Reddit now are "I just got back into this game, catch me up"...
  
  That said, while it's far more pleasant for new players and players still in the process of doing stuff, yeah, they don't seem to be providing much meaningful content for longtime veterans, which is why I sympathize with ones who don't see much in the game anymore. Then again, I don't think Nexon/devCAT really cares about player retention as long as they sustain enough in terms of ongoing player numbers.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-11-09 08:17
  Mabinogi fucking sucks as a direct result of DevCat's complete lack of vision. I need meaningful things to do. Grinding wholly repetitive tasks for a chance at meaningless loot that can't be applied to anything isn't enough.
  
  I'm holding a 10 foot pole between myself and this game until DevCat learns how to release interesting, sustainable, and rewarding content that doesn't entirely centralize the metagame. The recent trend of adding heavily overpowered tactics and then completely shunting them is poisonous to character development and it's absurd that we receive less than 20 hours of unique, permanent content per year. It also doesn't help that they keep finding new ways to render your effort essentially worthless, from purchasable AP potions to free skill unlocks and pre-reforged enchanted gear.
  
  I agree that it needs change. At a minimum, it needs a visible amount of effort put into something outside the cash shop.
  
  

  Quote from Syliara;1289642:

  Have you ever actually used magic besides random bolts or random int/adv magic? If you had then youd know how false this statement is. Inspiration is nowhere near an infinite mp hack and is nothing more than a random 50% boost to your mp whenever off cd. If you actually used magic you'd know that you would still be chugging mp pots even with inspiration if you used magic more than just a random snap casted fb or a random lightning rod/meteor strike.

  
  
  It's piss easy to sustain your mana pool without potions or inspiration for a developed character. The skill itself doesn't bother me since it has practically no effect end-game aside from giving Mana Shield a much needed boost.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-11-09 08:23
  Nexon milks anything they can get a hold of, and flavors it so it doesn't taste rancid.
• Syliara wrote on 2015-11-09 08:49

  Quote from Kaeporo;1289687:

  Mabinogi fucking sucks as a direct result of DevCat's complete lack of vision. I need meaningful things to do. Grinding wholly repetitive tasks for a chance at meaningless loot that can't be applied to anything isn't enough.
  
  I'm holding a 10 foot pole between myself and this game until DevCat learns how to release interesting, sustainable, and rewarding content that doesn't entirely centralize the metagame. The recent trend of adding heavily overpowered tactics and then completely shunting them is poisonous to character development and it's absurd that we receive less than 20 hours of unique, permanent content per year. It also doesn't help that they keep finding new ways to render your effort essentially worthless, from purchasable AP potions to free skill unlocks and pre-reforged enchanted gear.
  
  I agree that it needs change. At a minimum, it needs a visible amount of effort put into something outside the cash shop.
  
  
  
  It's piss easy to sustain your mana pool without potions or inspiration for a developed character. The skill itself doesn't bother me since it has practically no effect end-game aside from giving Mana Shield a much needed boost.

  
  
  Perhaps in non end game situations where things melt from a random ice spear. Most people burn through tons of mana in alban due to the sheer amount of mobs and how tanky they are.
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-11-09 08:54

  Quote from Syliara;1289690:

  Perhaps in non end game situations where things melt from a random ice spear. Most people burn through tons of mana in alban due to the sheer amount of mobs and how tanky they are.

  
  
  I dunno what Mabinogi are you playing, but I have 1.8K MP, and when I use more than 900 MP within 3 minutes, I know I am screwing shit up.
  
  Just saying, I ain't the only mage with over 1.5K MP in the whole of NA.
• Syliara wrote on 2015-11-09 08:56

  Quote from ＣＩＲＮＯ;1289691:

  I dunno what Mabinogi are you playing, but I have 1.8K MP, and when I use more than 900 MP within 3 minutes, I know I am screwing shit up.
  
  Just saying, I ain't the only mage with over 1.5K MP in the whole of NA.

  
  
  I dont know, I'm pretty close to empty with 1.1k mp after im firebolt spamming/lightning rod spamming/fireball spamming in alban after each floor unless I have a steam rolling group (at least for hard mode and heroic).
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-11-09 09:16

  Quote from Syliara;1289692:

  I dont know, I'm pretty close to empty with 1.1k mp after im firebolt spamming/lightning rod spamming/fireball spamming in alban after each floor unless I have a steam rolling group (at least for hard mode and heroic).

  
  
  Are you getting hit?
  Are you carrying your entire team?
  Are you soloing?
  
  If it any of the above, then you probably should invest in a set of trinity instead.
• Syliara wrote on 2015-11-09 09:21

  Quote from ＣＩＲＮＯ;1289693:

  Are you getting hit?
  Are you carrying your entire team?
  Are you soloing?
  
  If it any of the above, then you probably should invest in a set of trinity instead.

  
  
  1. I use hp to tank because I use heavy armor so no.
  2. If you arent steam rolling the entire thing, you dont need to be carrying everyone to see your mp drain due to the sheer amount of mob spawns and how much hp they have.
  3. Soloing is an extreme example to be honest.
  
  Im not going to go through the trouble of enchanting/reforging a trinity set just for the mp usage reduction when i can simply use mp pots if im low on mana. Not to mention I choose an RKA specifically because its a good heavy armor and using trinity would make that pointless.
• TheDarkPaladin wrote on 2015-11-09 09:26
  I main mage and i can say that you definitely can burn through mp quickly, even with a man reduct set a CC+4 savage fire wand will eat up mp quickly, even without using mana shield or spell walk without its master title
  
  by no means am i end game, but my mp pool and int aren't new char. level either. not everyone has 1.5k+ mp tho, only end game highly mage focused players would, as it would require enchants to regularly have that much mp
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-11-09 11:25

  Quote from TheDarkPaladin;1289695:

  I main mage and i can say that you definitely can burn through mp quickly, even with a man reduct set a CC+4 savage fire wand will eat up mp quickly, even without using mana shield or spell walk without its master title
  
  by no means am i end game, but my mp pool and int aren't new char. level either. not everyone has 1.5k+ mp tho, only end game highly mage focused players would, as it would require enchants to regularly have that much mp

  
  
  Eagle Mask - 300 MP
  Chicken Gizzards Catering - 430 MP
  Enchants - 100~ MP (Depends on how you enchant your gear. Let's just say if it is 0, it still adds around 730 MP to your total pool)
  
  Considering that most people uses hermit staves, 1.5K shouldn't be too much of a trouble (Considering if you add every single one of your skills for MP, Hermit staff gives around 50 MP at Max without enchants.
• Nekoarious wrote on 2015-11-09 11:30

  Quote from Kaeporo;1289687:

  Mabinogi fucking sucks as a direct result of DevCat's complete lack of vision. I need meaningful things to do. Grinding wholly repetitive tasks for a chance at meaningless loot that can't be applied to anything isn't enough.
  
  I'm holding a 10 foot pole between myself and this game until DevCat learns how to release interesting, sustainable, and rewarding content that doesn't entirely centralize the metagame. The recent trend of adding heavily overpowered tactics and then completely shunting them is poisonous to character development and it's absurd that we receive less than 20 hours of unique, permanent content per year. It also doesn't help that they keep finding new ways to render your effort essentially worthless, from purchasable AP potions to free skill unlocks and pre-reforged enchanted gear.
  
  I agree that it needs change. At a minimum, it needs a visible amount of effort put into something outside the cash shop.
  
  
  
  It's piss easy to sustain your mana pool without potions or inspiration for a developed character. The skill itself doesn't bother me since it has practically no effect end-game aside from giving Mana Shield a much needed boost.

  
  
  Basically this. It's essentially fallen the same way maple did.
• Kenero wrote on 2015-11-09 13:38
  In the end, cherishing old memories, battling the present, and chasing after the future are all part of Mabinogi.
  
  Though in the end, if you had fun at any point, then the game wasn't a waste.
  
  I wish everyone fun in-game, even now. ^^
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-11-09 14:14
  Change is good, as it is right now, this game doesn't interest me in an endless sea of other games. There's just too many other games to play right now and enjoy. Mabinogi isn't as enjoyable to me as it used to be, but that's cause I've played it for over 8 years now. I haven't completely given up on Mabinogi, and I try and keep an eye on things when I can but for the most part, Mabinogi is no longer my thing.
  
  That being said, I did enjoy what Mabinogi had to offer, it's customizability is unmatched by any MMO out there right now and it's massive amount of skills surpass even Runescape's. I love a game that has a ton of different combat and non combat content which is why both Mabinogi and Runescape hold a special place in my heart as my favorite MMO's to date.
  
  I do like Runescape's storyline and quests better as it flows much nicer together and adds a lot more depth than Mabinogi's story and quests ever offered.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-11-09 14:35

  Quote from ＣＩＲＮＯ;1289693:

  [QUOTE=Syliara;1289692]I dont know, I'm pretty close to empty with 1.1k mp after im firebolt spamming/lightning rod spamming/fireball spamming in alban after each floor unless I have a steam rolling group (at least for hard mode and heroic).

  
  
  Are you getting hit?
  Are you carrying your entire team?
  Are you soloing?
  
  If it any of the above, then you probably should invest in a set of trinity instead.[/QUOTE]
  
  

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  I'm one of the few that actually use a severely reforged vivace that I know of in mari, if not NA. I also have mana reduction enable, no HEM because its garbage, and not only a triple book but an Arcane/Professor's Targe that I mainly abuse MS with. I run out of mana from primarily firebolt spam and use of mana shield. I have not touched my staff in ages(which its now a druid so the mp usage is even less), not to mention I have not decided to go out running an entire sm/dungeon with just magic and not firebolt in a while, but running AAHM with fireball/LR took almost no mana at all with inspiration, and that was running it at top speed using the two skills, along with a slightly reforged vivace(I had PI10+Viv3 acc, and hadn't been using vivace master, so my vivace was around lower 20s.). Do note that vivace/cast speed bonuses are still broke for Intermediate magic, resulting in speed anomalies. I don't have cast speed reforge on my staff but it matches the speed I have on my wand which is CS20, under 38% vivace casts a 5 charge fireball in virtually the same time. The only difference is that my staff takes nothing and I could have spellwalk on and still use barely 40 mp. Fireball with 38% vivace with my staff and mana reduction is 4mp/charge. If I actually reforged, enchanted, and made it worthwhile, I'd never run out of MP with that staff and I'd casually run alban with fireball spam. I'm still working on my physical equipment and since I have my annihilation stick I don't prioritize it that much.
  
  That being said, this garbage with how inspiration is somehow breaking magic is absolute horseshit. Magic's main issue when you're going hard has ALWAYS been the fact that without MS you're a glass canon, and with MS you're a druggie. Anybody who doesn't have dodge charms or fast enough reflexes to make sure that their ass is covered with lullaby or pets is going to have a very hard time. And it takes a MASSIVE fucking mana pool to make inspiration even the slightest useful. I have normally 1.1k mp without a +368 mp book, and I have dained against using arcane anywhere else on my equipment in favor of damage. I was using fantastic chorus and meditation, non enduring because vivace is fundamentally stronger with all magic, and BFO is stronger with firebolt/IS/TH, and I was still draining my MP with even fireball spam. This is BEFORE making my vivace double of what is normally standard, enabling mana reduction at all times, and improving my damage from around 700 int to the 1200~1300 of nearly capped, and instead of a weak ego wand a step 6 staff. If I walked into alban right now, hard mode, I'd have very little issues because I'm geared for it. Anybody who's not geared for heavy magic isn't going to have a swell time with their MP because their MP-damage ratio sucks in comparison. Having a 40%+ BFO does not improve your mp-damage ratio that well aside from firebolt. Generally, even a 20% vivace without cast speed anomalies will improve it, as the main heavy end dungeon clearer is fireball, WHICH, has one of the most garbage improvements from BFO of all spells, due to the lack of a sufficient multiplier. Firebolt primarily and thunder are the only two spells where you'll probably find a better improvement from BFO than Vivace unless your vivace is reforged. If your vivace is reforged, and I don't mean PI I mean Vivace Magic Speed 3 on accs/shoes, then BFO for all but the most severely decked out in str/max damage gear.
  
  

  Quote from Syliara;1289694:

  1. I use hp to tank because I use heavy armor so no.
  2. If you arent steam rolling the entire thing, you dont need to be carrying everyone to see your mp drain due to the sheer amount of mob spawns and how much hp they have.
  3. Soloing is an extreme example to be honest.
  
  Im not going to go through the trouble of enchanting/reforging a trinity set just for the mp usage reduction when i can simply use mp pots if im low on mana. Not to mention I choose an RKA specifically because its a good heavy armor and using trinity would make that pointless.

  
  
  RKA is nice for when you don't care to enchant or go hard on your EQ. I don't end up using mine much anymore due to the fact that a targe or simply MS with a good Matk is, and that with vivace I'm set to use an exceedingly lower amount of MP. Any other circumstance I'd default to RKA/Targe and conserve MP, which is what I did when I had no pots to backup on, or inspiration. If they ever fix the fact that Transmutation talent is still fucking broke I'll not need my karis anymore after fixing one of my accs to 3 mana reduction instead of two.
  
  A good example here is soloing red dragon. My time is normally 10~13 minutes, which is absolute garbage, and generally because he loves to fly in the air. I generally use maybe 10 mp 500s. This is generally because I get hit by charge or I'm tanking the meteors/tail swipes because I'm A:Stupid and B:Too slow to blaze dodge. If I didn't have SEs/REs, I'd be potion poisoned to death every single dragon. Meaning I have to stay using magic, never use HP pots, or hybridize with ranged in order to actually function on magic immune/resistant monsters.
  But my time is stupid slow at RD.
  [spoiler=Compared to this that is.]
  [video=youtube;CcWAidXIaWQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcWAidXIaWQ[/video][/spoiler]
  
  TL;DR: If you're running out of MP and you're not using Firebolt spam or Mana shield, that's perfectly fine if you're not geared for it. If you are and you're running out something is wrong.