Let's talk Samhain *SPOILERS*

• Rydian wrote on 2015-12-24 08:40

  Quote from ＣＩＲＮＯ;1292000:

  I have my own reasons to dislike Undertale.

  You should make a thread in another section listing your own personal complaints from having played it, with examples.
• Cookies wrote on 2015-12-24 09:33
  Save yourself some sanity while spamming for coins with Auto POV when you're in that awful room with awful camera orz
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-12-24 09:46

  Quote from ＣＩＲＮＯ;1292000:

  Just because trash is thrown your way, it doesn't mean you have to force yourself to like it. I have my own reasons to dislike Undertale. Look past the glamor and popularity the cancerous fanbase has painted and what you'll find is a cesspool of laziness.
  
  I never said Touhou is a good series. I like it, but it doesn't make touhou good, or amazing. Just because I like something doesn't means it must be the best. I accept that most of touhou is trash, and ZUN is bad at art and shit. Most of the good stuff about touhou is fanmade anyway.
  
  Same goes with Samhain as for Undertale. The whole story is lazy, at it's best. I'm capable of churning up more emotionally charged stories within 15 minutes. Go ask the people in the MN skype group, LMAO.
  
  There is so much they could have done.
  
  They didn't.
  
  It is a trash event with trash storyline, made decent with bag rewards.
  
  Open your eyes.

  
  
  Maybe I don't need to open my eyes. Maybe I can like the storyline for what it is rather than what it isn't. I have my own reasons for liking this story/event. I also have my own reasons for liking undertale much like you have your reasons for hating it. I enjoyed Undertale not because of the popularity but because I GENUINELY enjoyed it. Much like I had a blast doing this event.
  
  Either way, I'm done having this conversation with you. We aren't going to see eye to eye here and it's clear you are blinded by your own hate.
• izzykuroneko wrote on 2015-12-24 18:30
  Well, I did find Samhain enjoyable, makes me wonder about things like, how did Laighlinne's hair go from red to orange? (I know, just a petty question) and who the heck Sera is.
  The mini games do make you loose your mind I guess, I had to do puzzle twice or thrice, barrel thrice and one harp ddr because I happened to crash after a puzzle one. I didn't not know you'd have to wait until 12 am in game to keep doing Da Capo mission so I lost quite some time.
  I did enjoy a lot the voice actress' voice, it was very soothing to me, and well a new thing, listening what a character is saying instead of just reading it yourself.
  
  And for all those out there who just can't bring themselves to like anything DevCat is releasing as of late, just quit and cut all ties with all Mabinogi related things because some people go around saying they quit, not play directly but still keeps contact with forums, Facebook and whatnot pages related to Mabi. Is it really worth it stressing yourself out when you know where the things are headed to? Start ranting and make other people have a bad time too because you can't be satisfied?
• sans wrote on 2015-12-24 19:30
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  So... If you know we're immortal... Then why are you still trying to kill us? Contradictory much?
• Qnjo wrote on 2015-12-24 21:12
  I want to believe it's some kind of translation mishap. I got a feeling that Lailai wanted to do the soul transfer thing and take over the Milletian's body or something.
• izzykuroneko wrote on 2015-12-24 21:47
  The ability to be able to reborn can be called immortality? O3O
• Iazroa wrote on 2015-12-24 22:16
  Honest to god, I love this event. The missions/puzzle/dancing/repetition werent all that bad to me. But whatever frustration could possibly surface, the story soothes and satisfies me to some degree. There was plot holes that kinda confused me (probably at my fault) I am going to cry if this doesn't become something more than just an event.
• Elleanior wrote on 2015-12-24 23:18
  Immortality is defined as being unable to die from old age or decay. Doesn't mean that you can't be killed.
  
  It may be a bit loose, but the ability to move to a new body upon reaching the old one's limit (or sooner) is generally defined as a form of immortality.
  
  It's possible that she means to sacrifice the character's soul... that is, what goes to the soul stream and from body to body. Sacrificing their soul would spell their permanent death, but we don't know any of the details. We don't know if it'd work, or how it'd even work.
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-12-25 01:11

  Quote from Elleanior;1292024:

  Immortality is defined as being unable to die from old age or decay. Doesn't mean that you can't be killed.
  
  It may be a bit loose, but the ability to move to a new body upon reaching the old one's limit (or sooner) is generally defined as a form of immortality.
  
  It's possible that she means to sacrifice the character's soul... that is, what goes to the soul stream and from body to body. Sacrificing their soul would spell their permanent death, but we don't know any of the details. We don't know if it'd work, or how it'd even work.

  
  
  Considering that so many NPCs tried to kill us and they all failed, you did think they would have learned for once that we can't die.
• Qnjo wrote on 2015-12-25 01:43

  Quote from ＣＩＲＮＯ;1292026:

  we can't die.

  
  Unless they cut us off from the Soul Stream, it is. Of course that's not gonna happen as it would amount to a definite end of the game, but that's beyond the point.
• Eralea wrote on 2015-12-25 07:52

  Quote from izzykuroneko;1292010:

  Well, I did find Samhain enjoyable, makes me wonder about things like, how did Laighlinne's hair go from red to orange? (I know, just a petty question) and who the heck Sera is.

  
  
  If the grandchild is called Laighlinne and the grandfather is called Sera, then we possibly already know the name of the father who betrayed them. He's a major player in celtic mythology and in Mabi's own lore.
  
  [SPOILER="Her dad's name"]
  It's Partholon.
  
  We already know how the Partholonians are tied into Mabinogi's lore. We regularly punch their ghosts in shadow missions. I wonder if grandaddy Sera is upset about the fate of his descendants?
  
  [/SPOILER]
  
  
  I'm excited about this! I really like where this story is going lol. I think it's a great extension to the existing lore, bringing us back to Mabi-style interpretations of celtic mythology and all. Kind of wish it was a mainstream chapter instead of an event.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-12-25 19:45

  Quote from sans;1291994:

  Shenon did rather alright in the first part, but then they delegated his role to the "all mighty teleporter." I'm disappointed they left a niche character with a silly role, couldn't he have come along with us on the fleet or something?

  
  Yea, that's a good point. I would've liked to see more of Shenon. I appreciate they at least did something with Shenon and Port Ceann, but I wish it had more depth. Better than not having them though.
  

  Quote from sans;1291994:

  I'll at least give credit to the designs and fixed camera angles except for the "black screen." But the harp in the ballroom wasn't even touched...

  
  Yea, I was willing to overlook all of the other technical flaws of Samhain because most generations aren't much better, but that wall you can't see through is really annoying. And as someone with experience with this kind of stuff and mabi specifically, its not too hard for them to fix.
  
  The first time I played that part, I thought the screen went black cuz it was dialogue time. Then it didn't stop being black.
  
  

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  So... If you know we're immortal... Then why are you still trying to kill us? Contradictory much?

  
  Immortals can be killed. Even the great doctor can die if his regeneration is interrupted. I'm sure the same would apply to the milletian. Other NPCs tried to destroy the milletian's body. Laighlinne knows the nature of the milletian's rebirth cycle and has intention of sacrificing him for her own agenda. I'm sure she knows of a way to end the cycle to that effect.
  
  
  I wonder if Tuan and Laighlinne are like, half-siblings or distant relatives or something like that.
• sans wrote on 2015-12-25 21:21

  Quote from Kapra;1292040:

  Yea, I was willing to overlook all of the other technical flaws of Samhain because most generations aren't much better, but that wall you can't see through is really annoying. And as someone with experience with this kind of stuff and mabi specifically, its not too hard for them to fix.
  
  The first time I played that part, I thought the screen went black cuz it was dialogue time. Then it didn't stop being black.

  
  
  I ended up leaving the mission the first time because I thought something went wrong.
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-12-26 00:22

  Quote from Kapra;1292040:

  Yea, that's a good point. I would've liked to see more of Shenon. I appreciate they at least did something with Shenon and Port Ceann, but I wish it had more depth. Better than not having them though.
  
  Yea, I was willing to overlook all of the other technical flaws of Samhain because most generations aren't much better, but that wall you can't see through is really annoying. And as someone with experience with this kind of stuff and mabi specifically, its not too hard for them to fix.
  
  The first time I played that part, I thought the screen went black cuz it was dialogue time. Then it didn't stop being black.
  
  
  Immortals can be killed. Even the great doctor can die if his regeneration is interrupted. I'm sure the same would apply to the milletian. Other NPCs tried to destroy the milletian's body. Laighlinne knows the nature of the milletian's rebirth cycle and has intention of sacrificing him for her own agenda. I'm sure she knows of a way to end the cycle to that effect.
  
  
  I wonder if Tuan and Laighlinne are like, half-siblings or distant relatives or something like that.

  
  
  Then why trap Mr. Nuders and not kill him?
  
  Obviously because a part about being immortal means being incapable of death.
  
  the ability to live forever; eternal life.
  
  "eating the fruit gave the gods immortality"
  
  synonyms:eternal life,*everlasting life,deathlessness,*everlastingness,endlessness,*perpetuity;
  
  indestructibility,*imperishability
  
  timelessness,*legendary status;
  
  lasting fame/renown/repute/glory;
  
  durability,*permanence
  
  "occasionally a guide book has achieved immortality"
  
  If you can die, then you are not immortal, you are just long lasting.
  There is a difference in definition. Immortality and unaging is two very different things. This is also why we don't call "Eternal Youth" as "Immortality".
  
  Furthermore, it's stated that even if you destroy the soul stream, the Milletians wouldn't die. They will just go back to where they came from because the soul stream is an anchor to keep them within Erinn.
  
  What is death??