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Esileruf wrote on 2015-12-26 01:23
Quote from ＣＩＲＮＯ;1292054:
Furthermore, it's stated that even if you destroy the soul stream, the Milletians wouldn't die. They will just go back to where they came from because the soul stream is an anchor to keep them within Erinn.
What is death??
Being cast away from this realm is death. Breaking the cycle of the eternal champion is death in one world but life in another. It could very well be that the agenda of other-multiverse deities/godlings is to
steal the milletian.
free internet points to the chap who actually recognizes the reference without google
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ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-12-26 02:17
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Being cast away from this realm is death. Breaking the cycle of the eternal champion is death in one world but life in another. It could very well be that the agenda of other-multiverse deities/godlings is to steal the milletian.
free internet points to the chap who actually recognizes the reference without google
Being exiled and death is two very different things, which is why there is the death sentence, and then there is being exiled.
Please don't mix the two terms together. Laighammed speicifically stated "Your death" and not "Your exile".
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Esileruf wrote on 2015-12-26 04:03
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Being exiled and death is two very different things, which is why there is the death sentence, and then there is being exiled.
Please don't mix the two terms together. Laighammed speicifically stated "Your death" and not "Your exile".
I am not mixing the two terms. In many cases of
fantasy if you cease to be "alive" or existing in one realm/world/existence/reality etc, you are considered dead. Milletians die and are reborn frequently, but none stay "truly" dead in erinn due to the soul stream. Why do you think when they tried to destroy the soul stream it was heavily implied the Milletian will be permanently known as "dead"? Its even in the lore that milletians "die" frequently and that being reborn is said that you pass out of your previous vessel, read: death, and are rekindled in a new body. Remove the method that causes this in Erinn(The soul stream) and you have killed the milletian. They are dead, they wont come back. Dead. Permanently.
Exiling has nothing to do with it, especially when the circumstance that I provided was not exile. Its closer to kidnapping. Its also far fetched as hell but its still a possibility.
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Kazusa Touma wrote on 2015-12-26 05:55
when i get back home i can finally do this ;;
just so i can get the bags... eff storylines, if i wanted a story i'd play a single player rpg
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Qnjo wrote on 2015-12-26 17:07
This dead/exiled thing is actually a philosophical question. Without Soul Stream you cease to exist as a Milletian and we could imagine your body falls limp onto the ground, this time for good. On the other hand, the body is only temporary and your soul comes back wherever you came from and nothing changes. Of course above applies if we assume the lampshade theory that the player is an actual milletian. Had the souls reached Erinn because they were already detached from bodies or arrived along with them (like Partholons in this scenario) this would've been a different story.
In other words, it depends whether you can call an eradication of your proxy entity a death or not. And also, do you consider oneself truly dead unless their very soul is destroyed (in this case disregarding if you believe in the concept or not, as souls do exist in mabinogi).
Either way, we don't know what was LaiLai's plan exactly. Maybe the compass was capable of forcing your soul into the realm of the dead and trapping it there?
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Iyasenu wrote on 2015-12-26 17:21
Yeah, that's one missing piece of the equation.
We don't really know what the full ability of the intact compass is, do we?
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Rydian wrote on 2015-12-26 22:24
At the end of G16 Morryhorry offers to send Shakes back to where he came from, he'd no longer be a milletian. He'd go back to being a normal/mortal person and he'd no longer be part of the rebirth cycle like us. She tells him this directly and he agrees, she also states he'll lose his memories of his time spent as a milletian.
Probably has some implications about what existence versus death is in various realms. Also note that a number of non-god NPCs have gotten ideas about death and milletians and Erinn wrong before.
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ironwoman wrote on 2015-12-26 22:28
For those of you that don't know it already, there is already an NPC drawing of Laiglinne (Meryl's true form):
[Image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTHYNPwUkAAShAo.jpg]
I assume you'll see this when the partner comes out.
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OniZero wrote on 2015-12-26 22:45
You cannot quit first or second movement, even after completing 2nd Movement once, i still have to deal with the waiting on the in-between, i like the titles, but i would not really play this event again if they ever dare to implement it again
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Drizzit wrote on 2015-12-27 06:36
It felt more like a generation quest than an event, except for how short it was, and by Mabi standards, it was pretty good. The story was better than the last several Generations, since it was actually about Celtic mythology at least.
[spoiler="spoilers"]My only complaint is that we have another final boss, that you can completely wipe the floor within game, who defeats you in a cutscene. It should have ended with her on the ground, but me unwilling to finish her off, then her agreeing to leave peacefully.[/spoiler]
[SPOILER="theory time"]So now this Sera fellow is trying to do what Laiglinne could not, and we know that they have the ability to disguise themselves. Meanwhile this suspicious fellow is hanging around Dunbarton and offering you coins in exchange for compass fragments. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
[Image: http://gametechmods.com/../uploads/images/56528mabinogi_2015_12_27_001.jpg]
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sans wrote on 2015-12-27 07:06
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[spoiler="spoilers"]My only complaint is that we have another final boss, that you can completely wipe the floor within game, who defeats you in a cutscene. It should have ended with her on the ground, but me unwilling to finish her off, then her agreeing to leave peacefully.[/spoiler]
I agree, that would have made much more sense for her to come to understand that killing us is wrong, since she says our sentiment rubs off of her. It just feels random and anticlimactic for her to spare us out of the blue when she doesn't really get much of a reason to.
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Rydian wrote on 2015-12-27 07:49
Oh you only have the wait time when first running 2nd, not on the repeats. That makes coin farming easier. I might just got for the 1x1 manully and then let the hot times give me coins.
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Kapra wrote on 2015-12-27 09:32
On another semi-serious, semi-joke-y note. Caravan Joe. He can be in more than one place at once. He seems to break the fourth wall. And now he can rewind time, or something to that effect. What the fuck is Caravan Joe? What if there isn't more than one Caravan Joe, and he just has some sort of supernatural power, which'd explain why he can control time by allowing us to repeat samhain and control space by occupying more than one area at a time. I mean it's possible Caravan Joe is Sera, as Drizzit suggested, but I think he's more akin to the Happy Mask Salesman in Majora's Mask. Although I have been one to speculate that the Black Mage in MapleStory might be hiding in plain sight after he was released, as Mr. Spiegelmann. . .
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Rydian wrote on 2015-12-27 10:08
Wiki's down right now so I can't check to see if there's any ranges listed, but I got three totems and they were +10, +12, and +18 max damage.
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sans wrote on 2015-12-27 10:19
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On another semi-serious, semi-joke-y note. Caravan Joe. He can be in more than one place at once. He seems to break the fourth wall. And now he can rewind time, or something to that effect. What the fuck is Caravan Joe? What if there isn't more than one Caravan Joe, and he just has some sort of supernatural power, which'd explain why he can control time by allowing us to repeat samhain and control space by occupying more than one area at a time. I mean it's possible Caravan Joe is Sera, as Drizzit suggested, but I think he's more akin to the Happy Mask Salesman in Majora's Mask. Although I have been one to speculate that the Black Mage in MapleStory might be hiding in plain sight after he was released, as Mr. Spiegelmann. . .
He's the Grandmaster of
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/7/75/Doppelganger.png]
. Also he must be pranking you across time and space.