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Shanghai wrote on 2010-05-04 03:53
Quote from bradstrt;27807:
But if God loves his people dearly, and died for us. Why would he even let the sinners harm those who are innocent?
Just because he died for our sins only forgives them. He can't prevent it from happening, it's human nature.
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Iyasenu wrote on 2010-05-04 03:53
Quote from Mrlucky77;27802:
Well, isn't God a diety? Dieties arent supposed to interact with the world (only a little I guess) and can only assist people spiritually, mentally, and psychologically. Doesn't faith, hope, and happiness from believing in a god fall into those three categories?
Also, this is pretty interesting.
Pascal's Wager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
that pascal's wager thing is interesting...
what's the downside to it? xD
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Hiccup wrote on 2010-05-04 03:53
So since God comes in to stop the end of the Universe? Is he gonna save us all from 2012? More importantly is he gonna stop those who will commit suicide before 2012 hits (when it gets closer yaknow?) cause I guarantee that some people will kill themselves in fear of 2012.
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Shanghai wrote on 2010-05-04 03:54
Quote from bradstrt;27816:
So since God comes in to stop the end of the Universe? Is he gonna save us all from 2012? More importantly is he gonna stop those who will commit suicide before 2012 hits (when it gets closer yaknow?) cause I guarantee that some people will kill themselves in fear of 2012.
There's no proof that 2012 exists. But then you can say God doesn't exist as well, so I can't really counter that with evidence.
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Iyasenu wrote on 2010-05-04 03:55
Quote from Mrlucky77;27810:
Again, it's because he's a diety. HE CANNOT INTERACT WITH THE WORLD ALOT I GUESS. Just like Godhead Pickle Inspector in PS. He can only 'God: Fondly regard creation' and interact with problems that would result that would end the existence of the universe. (eg. DMK's Fill em with daylight ripped the universe apart, so GPI acted to save the universe.)
Also, the bible states that those who are wicked will suffer and regret their choices later on. This is basically like a game of life. Not the Life boardgame, but life itself. When people choose to not study alot in their youth (aka being evil) they tend to end up horrible in life and with a lot of life problems and stuff like that and regret their choices. However, people that study alot and do well in school and graduate (aka the innocent) are rewarded later on in their adult life (afterlife) and become truly happy.
lol that was a good part of the story xD
it was interesting to see him do something that cool.
even if it was sewing :P
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Cannibal wrote on 2010-05-04 03:55
2012 is Internet BS, anyway. You can't count on forever, and someone had to stop somewhere with their calendars...
Like I said before, though. Free will. If you wanna kill yourself, go for it. You can, can't you? Nobody's stopping you...
Why would he stop someone from free will? He's allowed it.
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Hiccup wrote on 2010-05-04 03:55
Haha yeah I guess you're right.
So if God knows what your going to do before you even do it, how is that free will?
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Cucurbita wrote on 2010-05-04 03:56
Quote from bradstrt;27816:
I guarantee that some people will kill themselves in fear of 2012.
I thought it was depressing that this would happen. 2012 is just a marketing ploy to make money, so businesses try extra hard to convince people that its real.
My mom just said its better to let retards die.
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Shanghai wrote on 2010-05-04 03:56
Quote from bradstrt;27822:
Haha yeah I guess you're right.
So if God knows what your going to do before you even do it, how is that free will?
He doesn't exactly stop you from doing it though, so you're free to do whatever you want. There's just the consequences later on.
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Cannibal wrote on 2010-05-04 03:57
I've encountered the whole "God knows all" problem, and I choose to look past it, because it complicates EVERYTHING.
But even still, even if he knows, it's still free will.
See why I don't believe any of it?
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Mrlucky77 wrote on 2010-05-04 03:57
Quote from bradstrt;27822:
Haha yeah I guess you're right.
So if God knows what your going to do before you even do it, how is that free will?
It's free will because he lets you do it even if he knows it's bad.
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Hiccup wrote on 2010-05-04 03:59
Quote from Shanghai;27826:
He doesn't exactly stop you from doing it though, so you're free to do whatever you want. There's just the consequences later on.
No he won't stop you but the choice is made. God didn't make it, you did but not yet. God just knows the events in the future that will lead to that decision.... but if he truly loved his people wouldn't he make signs or give them visions of them talking to God. I don't see how that is free will.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_in_theology
Ya know like those people who wrote the bible said
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Juno wrote on 2010-05-04 03:59
This isn't really something that can be debated. It can't be proven or disproven and even suggestions pro and con won't be very convincing. There's literally no good that will come of it.
Religious debates aren't inherently bad but a general 'God and Religion' debate is far too open-ended. You basically have everyone come in and state their beliefs then whoever is more numerous begins informing the minority of how dumb they are. At the very least it needs to be restricted to one god and/or religion and even then it's not really a debate.
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Cannibal wrote on 2010-05-04 04:00
Why influence someone if they have free will? Really, it's one big cycle.
I promise you, by the time this thread is over, you'll never wanna hear "free will" again.
Quote from Juno;27834:
This isn't really something that can be debated. It can't be proven or disproven and even suggestions pro and con won't be very convincing. There's literally no good that will come of it.
Religious debates aren't inherently bad but a general 'God and Religion' debate is far too open-ended. You basically have everyone come in and state their beliefs then whoever is more numerous begins informing the minority of how dumb they are. At the very least it needs to be restricted to one god and/or religion and even then it's not really a debate.
Sure, but it passes time, and lets everyone else in everyone else's heads. And who doesn't enjoy that?
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Shanghai wrote on 2010-05-04 04:00
Quote from bradstrt;27833:
No he won't stop you but the choice is made. God didn't make it, you did but not yet. God just knows the events in the future that will lead to that decision.... but if he truly loved his people wouldn't he make signs or give them visions of them talking to God. I don't see how that is free will.
Free will in theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ya know like those people who wrote the bible said
He does... You just don't have enough faith in him.