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Blassreiter wrote on 2010-05-04 04:01
God does not exist, in my opinion religion is just a concept used by individuals to maintain order in society and/or build a unionized power.
Why God does not exist
*They say "God created the universe", then that means God apparently created Venus as "he" (why is God known as a male? Shouldn't God be genderless? Or not Human? This is bias against women) created Earth. If God really did create the universe, then why aren't there any believers of God in Venus, or organisms?
*If God created the universe, then everything in the universe is basically God's children. Why would a parent allow their own kids to kill each other? And of course why would anyone believe in such a figure?
*God has been personified multiple times, in my opinion humans are not capable of doing something such as creating the universe (also some religious followers believe that magic is evil, yet isn't "Creating the universe out of thin air more magical than a Firebolt?")
*Islam, Judaism, Christianity. These three big religions claim there is a god, yet they do not fully coexist with each other, in fact they conflict with each other. In the perspective that there is a god, this seems like there is more than one god since there are multiple claims.
Generally, I know there is no God. What is the point of God? What does God do for yourselves? Why is the universe still not fully explored?
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Hiccup wrote on 2010-05-04 04:01
Quote from Juno;27834:
Religious debates aren't inherently bad but a general 'God and Religion' debate is far too open-ended. You basically have everyone come in and state their beliefs then whoever is more numerous begins informing the minority of how dumb they are. At the very least it needs to be restricted to one god and/or religion and even then it's not really a debate.
Not bad atm. I mean there are more God believer then non-believers posting now and me and Saani doing just fine.
@Shanghai of course I don't. If you truly love someone why would you want them to be in pain and suffering? Why let them go through a hard time? That's not love, that's enjoying the suffering of others. Well maybe not enjoying but not caring about others.
@Above at the time the bible was written and revised woman were still inferior to man. Why? Cause Man said so.
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Iyasenu wrote on 2010-05-04 04:01
Quote from Juno;27834:
This isn't really something that can be debated. It can't be proven or disproven and even suggestions pro and con won't be very convincing. There's literally no good that will come of it.
Religious debates aren't inherently bad but a general 'God and Religion' debate is far too open-ended. You basically have everyone come in and state their beliefs then whoever is more numerous begins informing the minority of how dumb they are. At the very least it needs to be restricted to one god and/or religion and even then it's not really a debate.
This is true :\
I'm... not even sure what to add after this...
It doesn't look like I can debate this...
I basically have, pretty much, just stated my beliefs.
...
I feel dumb D:
I'm gonna go... metallurgy...
and wait for the update :<
:P
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-05-04 04:03
Quote from Iyasenu;27815:
that pascal's wager thing is interesting...
what's the downside to it? xD
Pascal's wager only works if there is only possibility of one God.
However, there are infinite possible amount of deities, each with their own version of hell for you who don't believe in it. You will have to worship them all to avoid that punishment.
5 pages in under 30 minutes? Most active thread.
Quote from Juno;27834:
This isn't really something that can be debated. It can't be proven or disproven and even suggestions pro and con won't be very convincing. There's literally no good that will come of it.
Religious debates aren't inherently bad but a general 'God and Religion' debate is far too open-ended. You basically have everyone come in and state their beliefs then whoever is more numerous begins informing the minority of how dumb they are. At the very least it needs to be restricted to one god and/or religion and even then it's not really a debate.
You can't exactly prove that there is or there isn't a ninety-headed invisible dragon that is hiding in Pluto while controlling every human on Earth...
But how many people believe in such a thing?
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BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2010-05-04 04:05
The cat is surprised that things didnt go out of hands
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Cannibal wrote on 2010-05-04 04:06
Quote from bradstrt;27838:
@Above at the time the bible was written and revised woman were still inferior to man. Why? Cause Man said so.
I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO BRING UP MAN.
Who wrote the Bible? Uh, man did. Even if it were all TRUE, who makes mistakes? MAN DOES. HUGE mistakes.
Man, man, man. Hai2u, I could go write a big book right now, and my friends could go write some big books right now, and we could put it together and make a Bible. That makes it all true, right? Right?
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Hiccup wrote on 2010-05-04 04:08
Quote from Saani;27845:
I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO BRING UP MAN.
Who wrote the Bible? Uh, man did. Even if it were all TRUE, who makes mistakes? MAN DOES. HUGE mistakes.
Man, man, man. Hai2u, I could go write a big book right now, and my friends could go write some big books right now, and we could put it together and make a Bible. That makes it all true, right? Right?
Actually if you get enough followers and believers then yes, you can become a God yourself. People will use almost anything to provide some sort of explanation due to fear of the unknown. Not knowing scares people, and God is just a way to explain our existence on the Blue Planet.
What about Hindu, Buddhism, etc etc (brain fart on other religions)? Are they right, do their god(s) exist and rule alongside "the" God?
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-05-04 04:08
I think this is a "fair" video about the religious debate. It is like two people throwing darts.
[video=youtube;1xBHFP2s6dk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xBHFP2s6dk[/video]
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-05-04 04:09
I don't believe in religion.
I like some things they say, however.
Some of them are things we should all follow.
Like, love thy neighbor, etc.
I think religion was created by Man to instill fear and therefore control others. A modern religion today would be Scientology.
I would like to believe in a God though, but just as a Creator, a Designer. 'Cause the Earth is a beautiful planet and the Universe is full of many wonders and mysteries. I'd like to blame someone for that instead of believing it was all pure coincidence.
Too bad I don't.
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Hiccup wrote on 2010-05-04 04:10
Quote from bradstrt;27846:
Actually if you get enough followers and believers then yes, you can become a God yourself. People will use almost anything to provide some sort of explanation due to fear of the unknown. Not knowing scares people, and God is just a way to explain our existence on the Blue Planet.
What about Hindu, Buddhism, etc etc (brain fart on other religions)? Are they right, do their god(s) exist and rule alongside "the" God?
Quoted cause I edited then got ninja'd
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Shanghai wrote on 2010-05-04 04:13
Ok, let me clear up my beliefs of why does God never help anyone in pain or suffering. Not because he can't be in every place at one time, but the time on Earth for us was devised by God to plan and pack our treasures to be on Heaven. Life is just the pathway you take before reaching the eternity you spend with God.
Think of it like an obstacle course. You mess up, you fail and that goes on your record. However, you get back up again and forgive God for that mistake, and he'll accept it. Eventually, this will keep occurring over and over until you reach the end of the road, which is death. Sometimes, actions are too critical to accept, and that harms your record. There is time in your course to store up treasures in Heaven, which are the people you converted to Christianity to be with you for the eternity about to come. You also have chances to show your faith to God, and that'll go on your record. The people that die faster than others will have less time to gather their treasures and faith, but God will judge you equally to the time others have spent on this Earth.
The end of your path is your death, and God plans it so. When you die, your soul is supposedly put somewhere for a time before you go up to Heaven. When you get to Heaven, God weighs your sin and your successes and your faith, and sends you to where you should be. People with with more faith and do more deeds will get rewarded with the treasure they stored in heaven. People with little faith will have to cope with the little amounts of treasure you stored. Then there is Hell, which I'm not too particularly sure about, but it's for the people who have constantly sinned and never asked God to forgive their sins.
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Shironi wrote on 2010-05-04 04:17
So you're saying life is nothing but an obstacle course to Heaven or Hell?
Why does not God foresee what you would do in your life before you are born, and give you however much treasure that you would've gotten anyway, because he is supposed to be omnipotent and omnisomething?
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Shanghai wrote on 2010-05-04 04:20
Quote from Shironi;27855:
So you're saying life is nothing but an obstacle course to Heaven or Hell?
Why does not God foresee what you would do in your life before you are born, and give you however much treasure that you would've gotten anyway, because he is supposed to be omnipotent and omnisomething?
I'm assuming God does this to test your faith to him, and to see if you can battle the temptations of sin and for the treasure part, that would make you too lazy, and you probably wouldn't have met your friends in the first place on Earth if he just gave you all your treasures, which are your friends. You wouldn't be able to share the beliefs and your likes and dislikes with each other if God just randomly stuck you in Heaven with your supposedly-called friends and made you guys deal with it. There would be nothing to talk about.
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Andy-Buddy wrote on 2010-05-04 04:20
[Image: http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/godathcomic.jpg]
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Blassreiter wrote on 2010-05-04 04:22
I do not mean to offend anybody/anything. I am just stating points for this debate.
I believe people use God as an excuse so they do not have to do anything to gain anything. I see some "so called Christians" in my school, and they do not truly care about God and Heaven. They just mess with geeky kids and neglect their education and do drugs. I see them using the concept God as a ticket to a first class plane.
Also, what is this "prayer" that some religions do? Does it work? Why should people rely on their creator? Isn't the child suppose to learn from the parent to become self-sufficient?
If every human was created by "God" then why do people around the world practice different religions without a single god? Or a religion that is a belief of a person who had lived before? (e.g. Siddartha Gautama, or Kongfuzi)