Guide to Weapon artisan Upgrades

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M wrote on 2011-01-15 02:25

I could be wrong lol If I am, it'd be nice to know.

Quote from Majikaru;290794:
I walked past someone wearing an artisan upgraded valencia with a +2 protection roll, so I guess it'd be the one with protection?

Interesting. Either way, glad I didnt upgrade my dustin >w>
Yogurticecream wrote on 2011-01-15 02:27

Extra int for wand with artisan might help me since I need extra int to offset damage differences during G13. Might look into it.
Zid wrote on 2011-01-15 04:47

For some (if not many of them), the more value the weapon has, the "better" the Artisan Upgrade is.

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+67 Strength, +2 HP.
M wrote on 2011-01-15 05:01

Quote from Zid;291023:
For some (if not many of them), the more value the weapon has, the "better" the Artisan Upgrade is.

[Image: http://i52.tinypic.com/2q8of3t.png]

+67 Strength, +2 HP.

What do you mean value of the item? Do you mean quality, as in a higher grade of a weapon as opposed to a store bought, or do you mean type of weapon such as a dagger compared to a falcata (one easily attainable and one not)
Zid wrote on 2011-01-15 06:04

Quote from Maia;291057:
What do you mean value of the item? Do you mean quality, as in a higher grade of a weapon as opposed to a store bought, or do you mean type of weapon such as a dagger compared to a falcata (one easily attainable and one not)

Type.

I said some though. I'm looking at NPC resell value rather than how easy it is for a player to obtain the equipment.
Dixon wrote on 2011-01-16 04:44

Str 20 ~ 70
2~5 2 Up to 5 vitality
2~5 Maximum Stamina 2 - 5

The real Dragon Tooth Artisan Upgrade.

Quote from radionoise;289195:
Hmm where are you getting direct max damage for War Sword's Artisan upgrade, though? I can only find:

NPC: Andras, Granat
Str 9~37
Luck 6~35
2~5 HP
2~5 Stamina
Dex -24 ~ -40

Maybe you should actually do some research before you crap out misinformation-spreading 'guides', Zyrus. This one is just riddled with errors and miscellaneous ****ery.

Artisan Upgrades do not under any circumstances add Max Damage. Do not try to perpetuate this lie with your 'guides'.
Animefreak97 wrote on 2011-01-16 08:05

It could of been a mistake or typo sounds like your attacking Zyrus.
paladin wrote on 2011-01-16 14:55

Quote from Dixon;292113:
The real Dragon Tooth Artisan Upgrade.

Maybe you should actually do some research before you crap out misinformation-spreading 'guides', Zyrus. This one is just riddled with errors and miscellaneous ****ery.

Artisan Upgrades do not under any circumstances add Max Damage. Do not try to perpetuate this lie with your 'guides'.

Just relax a little
Language barrier does bring issues attack power for example could be str or max attack
Dixon wrote on 2011-01-16 15:31

Quote from paladin;292424:
Just relax a little
Language barrier does bring issues attack power for example could be str or max attack

No, there's no confusion on this. If Google Translate can get it right, I damn well expect this guy to.
Archibald wrote on 2011-01-16 17:02

You know what dixon whether google translate did or did not do it right is at the heart of this. I am not spreading misinformation intentionally. Here is what I am reading

War Sword (War) æœ€å¤§ç”Ÿå‘½å€¼: +2 ~ +5 Maximum value of life: +2 ~ +5
æœ€å¤§è€åŠ›å€¼: +2 ~ +5 Maximum endurance: +2 ~ +5
åŠ›é‡: 0 ~ +30 Power: 0 ~ +30 (Max power)
æ•æ·: 0 ~ -30 Agility: 0 ~ -30
å¹¸é‹: 0 ~ +30 Lucky: 0 ~ +30

Broad Sword æœ€å¤§ç”Ÿå‘½å€¼: +2 ~ +5 Maximum value of life: +2 ~ +5
æœ€å¤§è€åŠ›å€¼: +2 ~ +5 Maximum endurance: +2 ~ +5
åŠ›é‡: +1 ~ +14 Strength: +1 ~ +14
æ•æ·: -10 ~ -22 Agility: -10 ~ -22
å¹¸é‹: +4 ~ +20 Lucky: +4 ~ +20

Link to page I am using

If google translate is wrong by indicating one is power and one as str then its not my fault. You could have just sent me a message instead of trying to insult me. Ever thought that maybe YOUR translation is wrong?

If someone who does read KR/JP/TW wants to inform me of errors please let me know so that I can correct the mistakes.
Dixon wrote on 2011-01-16 17:37

Quote from Archibald;292475:

War Sword (War)
[SIZE="6"]åŠ›é‡[/SIZE]: 0 ~ +30 Power: 0 ~ +30

Broad Sword
[SIZE="6"]åŠ›é‡[/SIZE]: +1 ~ +14 Strength: +1 ~ +14

Welp, my work here is done.

[SIZE="6"]å¤§å‚·[/SIZE]

These are the characters used consistently on the site for max damage.
Marie wrote on 2011-01-16 17:41

so ...now battle swords are definitely better than war ?
M wrote on 2011-01-16 20:31

Quote from Marie;292510:
so ...now battle swords are definitely better than war ?

BINGO. They already were, now we know war swords are doomed an agonizing death. Good thing I'm stockpiling signed battle swords

Quote from Archibald;292475:

If google translate is wrong by indicating one is power and one as str then its not my fault. You could have just sent me a message instead of trying to insult me. Ever thought that maybe YOUR translation is wrong? Glad to know we have at least one douchebag on these forums. -rep

If someone who does read KR/JP/TW wants to inform me of errors please let me know so that I can correct the mistakes.

I appreciate the other things you did bring to the table though. And even if one error occurred it's to be expected in translation. Thank you for publicly having the balls to post what you found, despite high probability of flame. :awesome:
Justified wrote on 2011-01-16 23:49

Quote from Maia;292649:
BINGO. They already were, now we know war swords are doomed an agonizing death. Good thing I'm stockpiling signed battle swords

Hasty decisions much?

For reference, here is Battle Swords...

Quote from Justified;289602:
Single-Wield
251 (Current) = 74 Max, 29 Crit, -5 Dur
261 (Artisan) = 54-82 Max, 17-29 Crit

Skills
251 (Current) = 148 Max, 29 Crit
261 (Artisan) = 108-164 Max, 20-44 Crit

Now with War Swords we get...

Single-Wield
243 (Current) = 90 Max, 15 Crit, -5 Dur
283 (Artisan) = 80-92Max, 10-16 Crit, -5 Dur

Skills
243 (Current) = 180 Max, 15 Crit
283 (Artisan) = 160-184Max, 10-22 Crit

Counting Gem Upgrades...

Battle Sword (Current+Gem Mod) = 74 Max, 29 Crit, -3 Dur
Battle Sword (Artisan+Gem Mod) = 54-82 Max, 17-29 Crit, +2Dur
War Sword (Current+Gem Mod) = 90 Max, 20 Crit, -5 Dur
War Sword (Artisan+Gem Mod) = 80-92Max, 15-21 Crit, -5 Dur

And counting Special Upgrades...

Battle Sword (Current+Gem+S3) = 87 Max, 29 Crit, -3 Dur
Battle Sword (Artisan+Gem+S3) = 67-95 Max, 17-29 Crit, +2Dur
War Sword (Current+Gem) = 90 Max, 20 Crit, -5 Dur
War Sword (Artisan+Gem) = 80-92Max, 15-21 Crit, -5 Dur

Assuming you max Artisan on Battle Sword, you're only getting 3 more damage over a War Sword max Artisan, or a measly 5 damage over regular War Sword upgrade. At best, Battle Swords are only a clear winner if you plan on slapping Stiff/Lizard/Caliburn on it and going for some Crit Smashes, otherwise you won't be getting that much more out of Windmill compared to War Swords.

G14 S6 upgrade adds 18 more damage to each sword, making each Battle Sword 21 Max higher than War Swords, but that's assuming War Swords never get S/R upgrades. If they do in the future, then War Swords will win by 10 Max each.
M wrote on 2011-01-17 00:03

Quote from Justified;292842:
Hasty decisions much?

For reference, here is Battle Swords...

Now with War Swords we get...

Single-Wield
243 (Current) = 90 Max, 15 Crit, -5 Dur
283 (Artisan) = 80-92Max, 10-16 Crit, -5 Dur

Skills
243 (Current) = 180 Max, 15 Crit
283 (Artisan) = 160-184Max, 10-22 Crit

Counting Gem Upgrades...

Battle Sword (Current+Gem Mod) = 74 Max, 29 Crit, -3 Dur
Battle Sword (Artisan+Gem Mod) = 54-82 Max, 17-29 Crit, +2Dur
War Sword (Current+Gem Mod) = 90 Max, 20 Crit, -5 Dur
War Sword (Artisan+Gem Mod) = 80-92Max, 15-21 Crit, -5 Dur

And counting Special Upgrades...

Battle Sword (Current+Gem+S3) = 87 Max, 29 Crit, -3 Dur
Battle Sword (Artisan+Gem+S3) = 67-95 Max, 17-29 Crit, +2Dur
War Sword (Current+Gem) = 90 Max, 20 Crit, -5 Dur
War Sword (Artisan+Gem) = 80-92Max, 15-21 Crit, -5 Dur

Assuming you max Artisan on Battle Sword, you're only getting 3 more damage over a War Sword max Artisan, or a measly 5 damage over regular War Sword upgrade. At best, Battle Swords are only a clear winner if you plan on slapping Stiff/Lizard/Caliburn on it and going for some Crit Smashes, otherwise you won't be getting that much more out of Windmill compared to War Swords.

G14 S6 upgrade adds 18 more damage to each sword, making each Battle Sword 21 Max higher than War Swords, but that's assuming War Swords never get S/R upgrades. If they do in the future, then War Swords will win by 10 Max each.

Hasty? I think not lol since they're cheap, and will rise in price :)

Did you think of dual wield and the str you get with battle swords? For when you're not smash/WM spamming, or are doing N+smash/windmill.

54 (4/5 upgrades) battle sword + 56 max (from artisan, 140 str from two swords) = 110 max. Adding G14 special upgrades (+6) you get another 31 max.

110 + 31 = 141 max.

vs

What'd you say? 92?

Also yeah, if they get special upgrades they'll be 92+31=123 max. Still 141 > 123.

However yes, I will say that in terms of smash/mill the damage is very close. Battle swords still win (for now?) but I already said that, and admitted it was close, in an earlier post

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