G14S5 Seasonal Update Discussion

• Claudia wrote on 2011-07-04 15:17
  saw quest inventory and stopped there
  
  HALLE ****ING LLUJAH JESUS CHRIST FINALLY
• Aubog007 wrote on 2011-07-04 15:28
  i can toss all my alchemy bags.
  
  Now they should give a bonus damage to alchemy based on stamina.
  
  Heh.
  
  I can only dream.
• kevinXIV wrote on 2011-07-04 15:36

  Quote from Shisummy;499774:

  for some reason weaving has been easier for me o 3o

  
  
  but still the point is.. you need to hurt yourself doing those grindy life skills just to get efficient damage vs melee which is just ranking those skills just by training it and gaining ap.. level 500 pure melee can produce greater damage output than level 500 pure range.. nuff said..
• Shisummy wrote on 2011-07-04 15:48

  Quote from kevinXIV;499803:

  but still the point is.. you need to hurt yourself doing those grindy life skills just to get efficient damage vs melee which is just ranking those skills just by training it and gaining ap.. level 500 pure melee can produce greater damage output than level 500 pure range.. nuff said..

  
  
  
  what about melee doing carpent and fishing o 3o
  ranking wm (b4 the destiny update)
  killing ap at FH (worst ap/str rates)
  just to notice you NEED enchants to do descent damage
  not to mention u NEED to rank all the melee skills to make your damage look like you are doing something
  
  besides crash shot is cheap (come on how a single plane and normal arrow can hit AoE?) for me is the golem version of archers
  but less spameable at least
  
  wm MAKES u go deadly to hit AoE (why? no reason, just cause u have to "pay" to hit AoE...why crash shot doesnt?)
  
  but i guess this goes off topic
  and about the lvl 500 comparison.... no
  the only thing about those two "players" is that melee kills faster, when archer does it safer
• radionoise wrote on 2011-07-04 16:03

  Quote from Shisummy;499819:

  what about melee doing carpent and fishing o 3o
  ranking wm (b4 the destiny update)
  killing ap at FH (worst ap/str rates)
  just to notice you NEED enchants to do descent damage
  not to mention u NEED to rank all the melee skills to make your damage look like you are doing something
  
  besides crash shot is cheap (come on how a single plane and normal arrow can hit AoE?) for me is the golem version of archers
  but less spameable at least
  
  wm MAKES u go deadly to hit AoE (why? no reason, just cause u have to "pay" to hit AoE...why crash shot doesnt?)
  
  but i guess this goes off topic
  and about the lvl 500 comparison.... no
  the only thing about those two "players" is that melee kills faster, when archer does it safer

  
  
  The AoE for range costs over twice as much AP as the AoE for melee. Range has all the same equipment costs as melee, the AP requirements are just as high if not higher, and the effort required to rank skills for damage is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse.
  
  If i'd been a pure melee human/giant I'd easily have capped STR and damage from enchants/equipment 1000 levels ago. Instead, as an elf who does range, even though I already managed capped damage from enchants/equipment I still have to look forward to months/year of Blacksmith, Tailor, etc.
  
  Range is also about being able to kill faster, not safer, at the risk of missing.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2011-07-04 16:06
  - Refine
  - Weaving
  - Blacksmithing
  - Tailoring
  - First Aid
  - Handicraft
  - Playing Instrument
  - Support Shot
  - Fishing
  
  That's just a few of the more common life skills which people rank for dexterity. Not only do those skills give dexterity while being ridiculously difficult to rank, almost all of them are totally worthless. At least ranking Final Hit gives you a situationally useful combat skill. Refine gives you the materials for Blacksmithing, which lets you smith equipment which is inferior to mob drops.
  
  - Rangers need damage/critical enchants just as badly as melee characters.
  - Arrow Revolver can be difficult and time consuming for new players to aquire. Which melee skills are difficult to aquire?
  - The strongest ranged weapons are the highlander long bow and the spirit ring bow. That's around 155 max. The Sword of Elsinore/Spirit Bastard Sword are beaten by either weapon paired with a special upgraded Battle sword. Together you're looking at over 379 max. In order to max up for the pathetic damage output of ranged weapons, you'll need dexterity. How much dexterity does it take to make up for 224 max? It takes 560 dexterity and that's if you're looking at the ring bow versus the Sword of Elsinore/Spirit Bastard Sword combo.
  
  Stop pretending that your build is so much inferior to everyone else's builds. The only "class" which is easier to dive into is Alchemy and not only are alchemists dependent on crystals, they have stunted potential.
• kevinXIV wrote on 2011-07-04 16:07

  Quote from Shisummy;499819:

  
  the only thing about those two "players" is that melee kills faster, when archer does it safer

  
  
  we are talking about damage output and dps as a factor.. so yes.. melee is faster.. so higher dps..
  id rather wm than do crash shot with low dex at that level..
  
  smash vs magnum shot.. cmon 600% 2h for 185 AP vs 200AP mag
  
  
  with 177 ap you'll get r1 wm with 250% damage AoE vs 162 AP r7 crash shot with 160% damage AoE
  
  now dont tell me its cheap.. if im into damage.. ill go with the former and focus to other masteries
  
  and i lol when you say archer does it safer.. miss a mag/shot and die..
• Shisummy wrote on 2011-07-04 16:45

  Quote from radionoise;499833:

  The AoE for range costs over twice as much AP as the AoE for melee. Range has all the same equipment costs as melee, the AP requirements are just as high if not higher, and the effort required to rank skills for damage is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse.
  
  If i'd been a pure melee human/giant I'd easily have capped STR and damage from enchants/equipment 1000 levels ago. Instead, as an elf who does range, even though I already managed capped damage from enchants/equipment I still have to look forward to months/year of Blacksmith, Tailor, etc.
  
  Range is also about being able to kill faster, not safer, at the risk of missing.

  
  
  hmmm we were talking about 500 total lvl comparison, at that rate you dont kill faster than a melee (assuming both are humans) adding now the S5 CONTENT (topic?) where u have 100% shoot chance
  ppl talk also about "damage cap" im comparing both damage growig rate/ap to get high damage
  melee is like a plain growing line wich caps very fast, then again the damage output is low, when archers damage grows very fast but then goes way slower than melee at higher dex, still,archer damage and crit are higher at that point
  also archer players are moslty lagless ppl that can spam it and not getting touched. Lets just not talk about elves and/or FS+Mag.
• radionoise wrote on 2011-07-04 16:56

  Quote from Shisummy;499862:

  hmmm we were talking about 500 total lvl comparison, at that rate you dont kill faster than a melee (assuming both are humans)
  ppl talk also about "damage cap" im comparing both damage growig rate/ap to get high damage
  melee is like a plain growing line wich caps very fast, then again the damage output is low, when archers damage grows very fast but then goes way slower than melee at higher dex, still,archer damage and crit are higher at that point
  also archer players are moslty lagless ppl that can spam it and not getting touched. Lets just not talk about elves and/or FS+Mag.

  
  
  Even in that case, range damage has really slow growth at lower levels, you don't really start growing in a comparable pace to melee until after 1k.
  
  You could get r1 WM with beginner service, work on some masteries and then equip an insane Dragon Fang or two swords and have no issues defeating enemies all the way to Hardmode... or you could try to do the same for range and realize that no single skill is useful without the others as backup.
  
  Range alone will only give aim speed to your weak attacks and minor damage boosts, Magnum alone is too unreliable without high ranked range and a lot of dexterity to make the multiplier count, Crash Shot won't get you very far since you'd barely have enough AP to get it to r1 until you're closer to 1k and then there's all those life skills you can't neglect for combat skills... and even equipping the most OP bow in the game would barely make your damage any higher.
• sakraycore wrote on 2011-07-04 16:58
  But when it comes down to it, ranged is still much safer if you're playing safely with it and not going all gung ho with the 0 shot crash shot.
  
  AR is perpetual stun fest for a single enemy and magnum spam is ridiculously safe with a FB cover pet. There isn't such a thing for melee.
• radionoise wrote on 2011-07-04 17:01

  Quote from sakraycore;499869:

  But when it comes down to it, ranged is still much safer if you're playing safely with it and not going all gung ho with the 0 shot crash shot.

  
  
  I find zero shot mag/crash/range way safer than actually keeping your distance, though. You can aim fast enough to reach 90%+ and keep enemies stunned (and in range of exploding pets) instead of aiming slowly from afar and being capped at 80~84% accuracy while the enemy is running towards you.
• Kyreffer wrote on 2011-07-04 17:02
  Yeah I think they should really add an exp reward at the end of a dungeon as well as change the pass system because why hunt for a pass when you can just choose the difficulty for a shadow mission.
• sakraycore wrote on 2011-07-04 17:09

  Quote from radionoise;499872:

  I find zero shot mag/crash/range way safer than actually keeping your distance, though. You can aim fast enough to reach 90%+ and keep enemies stunned (and in range of exploding pets) instead of aiming slowly from afar and being capped at 80~84% accuracy while the enemy is running towards you.

  
  
  Maybe that's how it is for an elf. I dunno. For me, keeping it ranged is safer. Anyways it's a whole lot safer than melee.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2011-07-04 17:24

  Quote from Kaeporo;499836:

  - Refine
  - Weaving
  - Blacksmithing
  - Tailoring
  - First Aid
  - Handicraft
  - Playing Instrument
  - Support Shot
  - Fishing
  
  That's just a few of the more common life skills which people rank for dexterity. Not only do those skills give dexterity while being ridiculously difficult to rank, almost all of them are totally worthless. At least ranking Final Hit gives you a situationally useful combat skill. Refine gives you the materials for Blacksmithing, which lets you smith equipment which is inferior to mob drops.
  
  - Rangers need damage/critical enchants just as badly as melee characters.
  - Arrow Revolver can be difficult and time consuming for new players to aquire. Which melee skills are difficult to aquire?
  - The strongest ranged weapons are the highlander long bow and the spirit ring bow. That's around 155 max. The Sword of Elsinore/Spirit Bastard Sword are beaten by either weapon paired with a special upgraded Battle sword. Together you're looking at over 379 max. In order to max up for the pathetic damage output of ranged weapons, you'll need dexterity. How much dexterity does it take to make up for 224 max? It takes 560 dexterity and that's if you're looking at the ring bow versus the Sword of Elsinore/Spirit Bastard Sword combo.
  
  Stop pretending that your build is so much inferior to everyone else's builds. The only "class" which is easier to dive into is Alchemy and not only are alchemists dependent on crystals, they have stunted potential.

  
  
  Alchemists need a revamp.
  
  Some sort of stat buff that gets adjusted.
  
  Realized then alchemists would need the most AP to get the most potential then.
• TropicalCat wrote on 2011-07-04 17:40

  Quote from Aubog007;499885:

  Alchemists need a revamp.
  
  Some sort of stat buff that gets adjusted.
  
  Realized then alchemists would need the most AP to get the most potential then.

  
  
  Watercannon needs a 30% Buff and Shock needs a 50% buff :L
  and i personally want more +Water dmg perfixes aswell