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Trigger wrote on 2010-04-14 22:52
Quote from Valencia;3057:
Not really. Just because I've died from using it does not indicate poor connection or playing. That's just an assumption. I don't need practice. I just find myself using windmill to hit an enemy when they charge (not the skill) me instead of using counter or defense. Most of the time when I click when an enemy is in my range(when they are charging towards me), it completely ignores my command, and in half a second the enemy hits me.
Uh...that's called poor Internet, more specifically "position lag". The place you think you're in isn't the place the server sees you in, which is why things that appear to be in your range can't be hit (they're not within range of your real location). There is no assumption here; if you are dying because of Windmill, you either need to play better, or you need a better connection so your client syncs up better with the server. That's all there is to it.
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Juno wrote on 2010-04-14 23:32
I can solo wiz adv without windmill, haven't tried hard .-.
Used wind guard a lot though...a lot...
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Valencia wrote on 2010-04-14 23:47
Quote from Trigger;3065:
Uh...that's called poor Internet, more specifically "position lag". The place you think you're in isn't the place the server sees you in, which is why things that appear to be in your range can't be hit (they're not within range of your real location). There is no assumption here; if you are dying because of Windmill, you either need to play better, or you need a better connection so your client syncs up better with the server. That's all there is to it.
I could go on as to how "play better" is extremely subjective, but I didn't intend to start an argument or debate. I'll just drop it.
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Crimmy wrote on 2010-04-15 02:52
Quote from Sleet;2809:
I dare you to try, TRY soloing shadow wiz HM without windmill. It's literally impossible.
Any character can have decent int, and to be honest I think I've dabbled in many skills giants wouldn't even touch. (I have over 350 base int).
That charge combo only works for 1 v 1, which doesn't apply to most of the dungeons and shadow missions of higher difficult, not to mention one PD could entirely mess up your combo chain.
Only reason I can pull through is windmill.
I don't know if I could even solo shining karu without windmill without horribly abusing Life Drain.
Can I please have a discussion without some snarky reply? ewe
I know any character can have decent Int, look at Vejosa. I'm just saying we have lower Int than humans and elves and have to work harder to get it decent. That's common knowledge.
Also, I don't solo much. I think it's horribly boring and not worth my time. I like playing the game to have fun, not waste my life trying to be "pro" at a free mmo. I have better things to do in life.
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MrShandavio wrote on 2010-04-15 03:01
Also, I don't solo much. I think it's horribly boring and not worth my time. I like playing the game to have fun, not waste my life trying to be "pro" at a free mmo. I have better things to do in life.
I only solo because I have no friends. :(
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Frawmus wrote on 2010-04-15 03:08
I'd be mostly unaffected. I hardly use windmill, but I guess I'd miss the bonuses.
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Crimmy wrote on 2010-04-15 03:20
Quote from MrShandavio;3522:
I only solo because I have no friends. :(
:< *E-Hug?*
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MrShandavio wrote on 2010-04-15 03:38
Quote from Crimmy;3561:
:< *E-Hug?*
It's okay. I'm not looking for pity. I'm serious, though. I have, I think, two or three people on my friends list. So more often than not, I'm solo-ing. It's boring and difficult. :P
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Lan wrote on 2010-04-15 03:57
I would Get Rank 1 Lightning, Thunder and spark and become an electric zerger :D
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Crimmy wrote on 2010-04-15 03:58
Quote from MrShandavio;3597:
It's okay. I'm not looking for pity. I'm serious, though. I have, I think, two or three people on my friends list. So more often than not, I'm solo-ing. It's boring and difficult. :P
Ah I don't pity ya, I just know how ya feel. I used to have only four on my F-list for a while. Then I just started be'n friendly and helping random people... Now I have so many I can't even use the Blacklist feature. x_x;
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MrShandavio wrote on 2010-04-15 04:31
Quote from Crimmy;3621:
Ah I don't pity ya, I just know how ya feel. I used to have only four on my F-list for a while. Then I just started be'n friendly and helping random people... Now I have so many I can't even use the Blacklist feature. x_x;
I see. I guess I don't play enough nor have the desire to make a lot of friends. So I often do things alone or with a person as a one-time kind of thing.
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Sleet wrote on 2010-04-15 06:08
Quote from Crimmy;3499:
Can I please have a discussion without some snarky reply? ewe
I know any character can have decent Int, look at Vejosa. I'm just saying we have lower Int than humans and elves and have to work harder to get it decent. That's common knowledge.
Also, I don't solo much. I think it's horribly boring and not worth my time. I like playing the game to have fun, not waste my life trying to be "pro" at a free mmo. I have better things to do in life.
Well, that still doesn't answer my question. I asked if we can deal without it. And you responded with a "snarky" comment of your own which had nothing to do with dealing with or without windmill.
We all have lives, not just
you.
Int doesn't really matter when you have over a certain amount (around 200 not sure of the exact number). And it requires the same amount of effort to get it (same AP costs for magics, actually elves have to work "harder"). So having 400 or 350 hardly makes any difference.
I'll cut off my comment here because I have a feeling this discussion is going to head off in the wrong direction.
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RicochetOrange wrote on 2010-04-15 06:16
Start playing again.
Ranking Windmill is boring.
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Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-04-15 06:26
Quote from Sleet;2809:
I dare you to try, TRY soloing shadow wiz HM without windmill. It's literally impossible.
Any character can have decent int, and to be honest I think I've dabbled in many skills giants wouldn't even touch. (I have over 350 base int).
That charge combo only works for 1 v 1, which doesn't apply to most of the dungeons and shadow missions of higher difficult, not to mention one PD could entirely mess up your combo chain.
Only reason I can pull through is windmill.
I don't know if I could even solo shining karu without windmill without horribly abusing Life Drain.
...I did it... With Ranged and Ice Spear ;O;
Oh yeah, and with Barrier Spikes and looooooots of SP potions.
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Syrphid wrote on 2010-04-15 06:50
I think the game would be more fun without wm. Imagine a party of 4 mid-levels taking on Peaca; what would that look like? What would they do, now that center spinning --> corner spinning is no longer possible? What complex player-pet maneuvers would become integral to party play?
Indeed, dungeon running would be a lot slower. Surviving multi aggro would be far more difficult, and the typical player would not usually solo hard dungeons. Would this be so bad?